Justin Cooper podium interview

theprizefighter 6/1/2019 5:18pm
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JBrockman856 wrote:
Here's a non biased look. Pretty clear AC lets Cooper pull him in at least two different areas after re-entering the track: as soon as he...
Here's a non biased look.

Pretty clear AC lets Cooper pull him in at least two different areas after re-entering the track: as soon as he re-enters and after the fly away he backs off again. That being said, it does kind of look like AC enters almost exactly the same time as Cooper is coming by

AC was more than within the rules on that. He slowed once he re-entered the track to let Cooper get a gap.
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What do you think cooper would have done in the exact same situation? The exact same thing! No way is he or any other rider going to make a split second decision to completely stop, turn around and get back into the track in the spot he went off of it. If Cooper didn’t throw away his lead and won the Moto do you think he would still be complaining?
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freebroctickle 6/1/2019 5:30pm
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I think AC reentered as cleanly as he was able to, and deserves the win. BUT keep in mind that Cooper didn't have the benefit of a zoomed out camera angle like we viewers, or the announcers, did. From his limited perspective, AC's manuever looked sketchy; add that to elevated heartrate/adrenaline/relative inexperience and things got heated after the race.

I DO commend Cooper for speaking up. Even if he was wrong, he had the balls and heart to stand up for himself and defend what he thought was right. Very admirable IMO.
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Results pulled down from AMA website for moto 2 and overall
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JBrockman856 6/1/2019 5:37pm
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If they're going off the bullshit accelerating standard they used in SX then AC will almost certainly be docked
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slowgti 6/1/2019 5:40pm
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I'm not the one that decides if what AC did is within the rules or not, but I like cooper saying something about it on tv instead of bitching on social media all week.
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He came across as a turd when he wrecked himself and Sexton indoors. Why would he act any different now?
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I’ll just leave these here. Have a good rest of the night pulling your foot out of your mouth. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351631/s1200_E0BBF79F_9062_493B_843E_AC904313E895.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351632/s1200_6500D10E_9CDA_4549_8EC3_B3283C8FFD02.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351634/s1200_96FB14AF_0F9B_4634_BC62_7CFFFCFE05B5.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/01/351633/s1200_C13C0501_AA3D_4205_AE89_F3D880BF6F31.jpg[/img]
I’ll just leave these here. Have a good rest of the night pulling your foot out of your mouth.





You tArd can you not see Adam coasting on the downside of the table top (same table top in the last photo). He cruised down it. All those pictures are just different angles
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Nighttrain 6/1/2019 5:53pm
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mx216 wrote:
The rule is garbage. Needs to go back to get back on the track where you went off of it. No grey areas, no bitching. Dont...
The rule is garbage. Needs to go back to get back on the track where you went off of it. No grey areas, no bitching. Dont make the mistake and go off the track. If you make a mistake and go off the track then yes, you should lose time. I dont care who it is, who wins or who loses, its the only way it can be fair and not open to interpretation.
I think the rule is in place for safety reasons. Some areas of a track (the landing area of a big jump) should never be used for entry. Conceptually I agree with you 100% and it would be a much simpler rule to govern.
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numba1 fan wrote:
What do you think cooper would have done in the exact same situation? The exact same thing! No way is he or any other rider going...
What do you think cooper would have done in the exact same situation? The exact same thing! No way is he or any other rider going to make a split second decision to completely stop, turn around and get back into the track in the spot he went off of it. If Cooper didn’t throw away his lead and won the Moto do you think he would still be complaining?
Exactly. At some point in the season Cooper will find himself off the track. When he does...I hope he remembers today...and goes backward to where he exited. If he doesn't...then anything he said today is just sour grapes.
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DanDunes818 6/1/2019 6:00pm
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(I posted this in the wrong thread earlier but...) The rule, like all rules, isn't perfect but it's easy to interpret for a rider in the...
(I posted this in the wrong thread earlier but...)

The rule, like all rules, isn't perfect but it's easy to interpret for a rider in the instant. It won't always be 100% fair, which is regrettable, but you also don't want a situation where a rider is rushing to cut back onto the track dangerously because they're worried about being penalised. If the rider is clearly trying to act in good faith to the rule and his competition; then it's a legit way to deal with a difficult situation in racing.

The moment you insist on the rider rejoining at the exact place they left the race track or to not gain advantage via not suffering a disadvantage etc, then you introduce urgency, which of course there is, but you don't want the rider in an urgent mindset at that moment. You want a rider in that situation to be thinking safety first and foremost - as to not end up in an even more dangerous situation e.g Preston/Stewart in SX a few yrs back - hence why it's written the way it is (imo).

So it isn't designed exclusively to be fair. It's designed to be safe and as fair as reasonably possibly.
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Yeah you quoted me on that one. I get it. I do. But in no world should Rider A make a mistake and get kicked toward...
Yeah you quoted me on that one.

I get it. I do. But in no world should Rider A make a mistake and get kicked toward the middle of the track and lose 5 seconds and Rider B make the identical mistake but get kicked right and off the track and lose 0 time. I get the safety aspect. But there has to be a way to make this better. People argue there's no advantage gained, which is technically correct and incorrect at the same time. No advantage is gained relative to where they were prior to the mistake. However, there is an advantage gained because they make a mistake and don't lose any time. That's my thing. The advantage gained is that they nullified their mistake because it took them off the track.

Honestly, if I'm a rider and I make a mistake, I'm never going to try to keep it upright and on the track. If there's any sort of doubt in my mind at all, I'm ensuring I get off the track so my mistake will be irrelevant. I feel the same about Sexton's as I do AC's. They both made a big mistake and neither lost any time because both mistakes took them off the track instead of keeping them on it.
Sexton and AC's deal is apples to oranges. IF the banners were not there, AC could easily get back on immediately and losing barely any time. Sexton on the other hand, flew so far off the track, he was all the way in another lane going backwards and banners had nothing to do w/it. Not to mention, Sexton's was on lap one where 1 mistake loses 10-15 spots and AC had like 10 sec back to the next guy.

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numba1 fan wrote:
What do you think cooper would have done in the exact same situation? The exact same thing! No way is he or any other rider going...
What do you think cooper would have done in the exact same situation? The exact same thing! No way is he or any other rider going to make a split second decision to completely stop, turn around and get back into the track in the spot he went off of it. If Cooper didn’t throw away his lead and won the Moto do you think he would still be complaining?
If this were turned around with Justin jumping off the track and Adam blowing the lead, not so sure Adam wouldn’t protest, but I think he would be more professional about it. Maybe “I need the officials to look at what happens”, but not jump into “the rules mean nothing “ like Justin or Vital.
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mx216 6/1/2019 6:14pm
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mx216 wrote:
The rule is garbage. Needs to go back to get back on the track where you went off of it. No grey areas, no bitching. Dont...
The rule is garbage. Needs to go back to get back on the track where you went off of it. No grey areas, no bitching. Dont make the mistake and go off the track. If you make a mistake and go off the track then yes, you should lose time. I dont care who it is, who wins or who loses, its the only way it can be fair and not open to interpretation.
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I think the rule is in place for safety reasons. Some areas of a track (the landing area of a big jump) should never be used...
I think the rule is in place for safety reasons. Some areas of a track (the landing area of a big jump) should never be used for entry. Conceptually I agree with you 100% and it would be a much simpler rule to govern.
Yeah, there are some where that would be unsafe, but riders pinning it down the side of a supercross track or up the water truck lane at a national it isn't safe either. If they wanna leave the rule, they need to do like in supercross qualifying for whoops and before re-entering the track the guy must come to a complete stop. And no acceleration, first gear only when off the track. My big point is a mistake that sends you off track should be costly, you shouldn't be able to not lose time, but hey it's 2019 right, everyone's a winner and gets a trophy Woohoo
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cheapsmack 6/1/2019 6:19pm
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He went off the track and re-entered in front of him. The rule book says to re-enter the track safely without gaining an advantage.
We can see he slowed down and we can GUESS that he did it to return the advantage he gained by the off track excursion.
In my opinion he would have had to wait for him to pass before entering to abide by the rules.
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SwingHard 6/1/2019 6:21pm
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colintrax wrote:
Exactly. I liked the kid but man that was sad to watch.
Professional racer or not he is a Kid,he'll learn and move forward!
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Sully22 6/1/2019 6:21pm
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The results still aren’t up, there’s gotta be something going on..

I commented on another thread that it looked like Adam followed the rules as written.....that said, the one area I think they (race officials) could come down on him is re entering the track. Did he gain position, no, did he gain time, that’s up for debate and the real question. Yes, he slowed down and rolled the jump to about the same amount of time Cooper had on him before he goes off track, but if the go entirely off of WHEN he re entered, it looks like he re entered the track a little early, realized this, and then let off. How do they measure this exactly? This is a strange one. Could they get him on this technicality, maybe, do they get him on the acceleration, maybe, or do they go off of the fact he slowed down, guess we’ll find out.
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Nighttrain 6/1/2019 6:26pm
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mx216 wrote:
Yeah, there are some where that would be unsafe, but riders pinning it down the side of a supercross track or up the water truck lane...
Yeah, there are some where that would be unsafe, but riders pinning it down the side of a supercross track or up the water truck lane at a national it isn't safe either. If they wanna leave the rule, they need to do like in supercross qualifying for whoops and before re-entering the track the guy must come to a complete stop. And no acceleration, first gear only when off the track. My big point is a mistake that sends you off track should be costly, you shouldn't be able to not lose time, but hey it's 2019 right, everyone's a winner and gets a trophy Woohoo
That’s a good idea about having to stop before re-entering a track. There should be some negative consequence for leaving the track due to rider error or decision.
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DB97 6/1/2019 6:28pm
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I still think Cooper could have won he crashed and is blaming something else.
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swtwtwtw 6/1/2019 6:31pm
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Cool Rides wrote:
It is what it is, unless they change the rule to go back on the track at the point you went off there will be the...
It is what it is, unless they change the rule to go back on the track at the point you went off there will be the same controversy. I believe AC did exactly what he was supposed to do under the current rules
Yup. AND teams ought to be schooling their riders to take advantage of it.

Re-Enter safely where you exited is the right rule. Adam could of done that easily but he would have lost a ton of time to Justin
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mb60 6/1/2019 6:33pm
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Big fan of AC92 and he even apologized on the podium. Cooper came across pretty lame but I give him credit for putting his head down and charging to the end. Did Star not protest AC in sx as well for rough riding ?
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Frère Jacques wrote:
How dare 20 year old cooper get upset that 10 year 250 class golden boy made a big mistake yet somehow lost no time
Lol.

20 year old vs 10 year in class golden boy.

They are 8 months apart in age.
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brettmx 6/1/2019 6:42pm
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Cool Rides wrote:
It is what it is, unless they change the rule to go back on the track at the point you went off there will be the...
It is what it is, unless they change the rule to go back on the track at the point you went off there will be the same controversy. I believe AC did exactly what he was supposed to do under the current rules
Unfortunately you're correct. And I say unfortunately because the current rule basically allows you to make mistakes go off the track and not have suffered any time penalty. If a rider has to go back to where they went off they're going to lose a lot of time in most instances.
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A lot of people commenting that AC slowed down after entering the track to make sure he didn’t gain an advantage. But the rule says you can’t enter with an advantage. Slowing down after entering would almost be an admission that you entered too soon and are now trying to adjust for it. That might be why AC was apologizing in the podium interview. Cooper probably saw AC entering equal or ahead of him which is why he said he broke the rule. The rule is murky though especially when it may determine the overall.
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brettmx 6/1/2019 6:51pm
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The existing rule has too many grey areas open to personal interpretation. You should have to re-enter where you exited if physically possible. Like it or...
The existing rule has too many grey areas open to personal interpretation. You should have to re-enter where you exited if physically possible.
Like it or not, no one can argue that AC didn't accelerate off the track, which is against the current rules.
What if he kept going at the same speed he was going at when he left the track. Would it really matter then. He slowed from the speed he was going when it flew off. What if would have came to a stop?. Theoretically, any movement would have been an acceleration. The rule is unfortunately is vague and ambiguous.
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Dirty Points 6/1/2019 6:57pm
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Rule doesn't actually specify that upon the exact point of re-entry, no advantage is gained. It just says gain no advantage, which Adam did not as he ceeded some time to nullify any advantage.

I think a more sound argument could honestly be made that jumping through the banners is not a safe-re-entry.
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The current rule is total bs. As long as safe to do so, you should have to re-enter the track where you left it. In SX, I understand this is extremely difficult in practice, but in the great outdoors, it’s certainly possible 95 percent of the time. Chase sexton also ran off the track in moto 1, missed a huge section of track, and re-entered without any position penalty. It totally ridiculous. I’m on Cooper’s side here. AC also knows it, why did he straight up apologise as soon as possible in his interview after the race?
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Must have gone to a Trey Canard riding school last week.
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mx 219 wrote:
Must have gone to a Trey Canard riding school last week.
Pretty good save.
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mx 219 wrote:
Must have gone to a Trey Canard riding school last week.
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Pretty good save.
Save?
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