All new Zook 400...

11/6/2024 2:09am
CPR wrote:
Great to see a new offering from Suzi.Just as a point of interest- the Australian Suzuki team actually raced a DRZ400 in SX back around the...

Great to see a new offering from Suzi.

Just as a point of interest- the Australian Suzuki team actually raced a DRZ400 in SX back around the turn of the century.

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So cool. We’re there competition models released in Australia? Without adr coolant/oil recovery. Different motors.

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11/6/2024 1:12pm
CPR wrote:
Great to see a new offering from Suzi.Just as a point of interest- the Australian Suzuki team actually raced a DRZ400 in SX back around the...

Great to see a new offering from Suzi.

Just as a point of interest- the Australian Suzuki team actually raced a DRZ400 in SX back around the turn of the century.

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So cool. We’re there competition models released in Australia? Without adr coolant/oil recovery. Different motors.

No I believe it was just the normal engine highly modified, as there was no competition model. However the DRZ back then was more of an old school enduro bike like the XR, rather than a true dual sport.

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11/6/2024 3:29pm

Although I prefer the older look (it was classic and timeless at the same time), everything they added is exactly what this bike need. Kudos to Suzuki, it will be a KILLER all around bike. Need to start saving to get one as soon as it comes out...

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11/6/2024 3:46pm

It looked like they still have a lineup in 2025 for the drz400's so maybe its more of an addon than a replacement. 

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11/6/2024 5:24pm

It is heavy, and they failed to address the 25 year old issue that has driven everyone nuts - close ratio 5 speed sucks on the road. even a little road. Maybe they revised the ratios, but all dualsports should be, NEED to be 6 speed

 

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It looks cool, and it’s super awesome that Suzuki is showing signs of life.. but gaining weight, adding complexity, presumably losing power to emissions control, lowering the seat height and not addressing the close ratio 5-speed gearbox are all big misses, IMO. 

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11/6/2024 6:00pm
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It is heavy, and they failed to address the 25 year old issue that has driven everyone nuts - close ratio 5 speed sucks on the...

It is heavy, and they failed to address the 25 year old issue that has driven everyone nuts - close ratio 5 speed sucks on the road. even a little road. Maybe they revised the ratios, but all dualsports should be, NEED to be 6 speed

 

Solution: CRF450L 🤣

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11/6/2024 6:11pm

I grew up in Bayville NJ and pretty sure i remember Barry Carsten ripping a highly modified DRZ-400 at the turn of the century at his home woods track.

Good on Zook for finally bringing a new option to the dirt scene. Bike looks good.

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11/6/2024 6:23pm

For those concerned that the new DRZ gained weight, I think it's probably a couple things...  The new bike has a big cat in the header pipe that that old version doesn't have, so the exhaust is probably 5-10 lbs heavier on this new bike.  Then there's the ABS lines and other stuff that the new bike has, that adds some weight, which the old bike didn't have.  Also, traction control, and probably additional emissions stuff all adds more weight.   Most will yank that exhaust off and probably save 10 lbs right there, and many will also remove some/all of the emissions stuff.    I don't think most people will notice the added weight when all is said and done, this isn't a race bike.

Depending on how Suzuki prices it, will definitely be cross shopped with the Honda CRF450RL and the Austrian dual sports.    The latter are more hardcore, but the Suzuki is going to more than likely require much less maintenance (oil changes, valve checks, etc) than those more hardcore bikes.   

If Suzuki prices this thing right, it will be a hit!

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11/6/2024 6:29pm Edited Date/Time 11/6/2024 6:31pm
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https://motoringworld.in/bike-news/eicma-2024-ktm-unveils-the-390-smc-r/Looks like KTM has also launched a new 399cc supermoto today! The Duke390 is cheap so this one should be cheaper than the new Suzuki...Is...

https://motoringworld.in/bike-news/eicma-2024-ktm-unveils-the-390-smc-r/

Looks like KTM has also launched a new 399cc supermoto today! The Duke390 is cheap so this one should be cheaper than the new Suzuki...

Is Yamaha gonna announce something tonight? They got rid of the WR250R and never replaced it...

Ya, those particular KTM's are made in India so I bet the new 390 dual sport and SM will be cheaper than the Suzuki, which is probably made in Japan.  I'm guessing/hoping the Suzuki will be around $8500, and if so I think I'm in!

Yamaha seems to be completely ignoring this part of the market, and focusing more on street bikes like all the new ones they just released, R9, MT-07, updated Tenere 700, etc.   Yamaha could have easily made a WR300R, have no idea why they just bailed on that bike and pretty much the whole DS segment.  That was a great little 250!!  I think the still make a few very budget DS bikes, but nothing like that WR250R.

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11/6/2024 7:36pm
For those concerned that the new DRZ gained weight, I think it's probably a couple things...  The new bike has a big cat in the header...

For those concerned that the new DRZ gained weight, I think it's probably a couple things...  The new bike has a big cat in the header pipe that that old version doesn't have, so the exhaust is probably 5-10 lbs heavier on this new bike.  Then there's the ABS lines and other stuff that the new bike has, that adds some weight, which the old bike didn't have.  Also, traction control, and probably additional emissions stuff all adds more weight.   Most will yank that exhaust off and probably save 10 lbs right there, and many will also remove some/all of the emissions stuff.    I don't think most people will notice the added weight when all is said and done, this isn't a race bike.

Depending on how Suzuki prices it, will definitely be cross shopped with the Honda CRF450RL and the Austrian dual sports.    The latter are more hardcore, but the Suzuki is going to more than likely require much less maintenance (oil changes, valve checks, etc) than those more hardcore bikes.   

If Suzuki prices this thing right, it will be a hit!

It's still more dualsport than the plated dirt bikes.  Suzuki fortunately was wise enough to keep the 2 quart oil capacity.  We don't know yet until more details are out, but looking at diagrams of all the engine parts that have changed also shows a few cogs that are not the same.  5 speeds are not great for the street, but they can be made to do well with proper ratios and I prefer them off road.  I think we'll find that the upper gears may have been stretched out a bit.  When people say that the bike lost a couple horsepower compared to the outgoing model, that's not exactly true.  The horsepower shows to be down a couple compared to the 400E figures, not what the 400S was putting out.  The S was about 10 less than the E.  

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I would also imagine that having a 42mm throttle body compared to a 36mm cv carb will allow for a lot better response and a fair amount of additional top end compared to the S.

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I really want another dual sport for commuting to work, only 6 miles 1 way, i had a 250l dual sport but it was so slow, excited to see some reviews on this bike

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11/6/2024 8:19pm
Agreed, but what is next? Long game player. Suzuki pulled out of motogp, cut spending. They saved 30 billion. Wonder what they are spending it on?Time...

Agreed, but what is next? Long game player. Suzuki pulled out of motogp, cut spending. They saved 30 billion. Wonder what they are spending it on?

Time to stockpile old Doctor Z 400s? 

What have Suzuki been spending Billions on?

I haven't checked for a while, but they have built / are building a Massive ( as in a fair few hundred acres sized) Car making facility in India, and, that was to be followed by a similarly massive MC production facility there.

This gives a bit of info on their various Manufacturing facilities, and, may lead further into the Indian expansion of recent years,  if you go deeper into it:

 https://www.globalsuzuki.com/corporate/productionbase/abroad.html

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11/7/2024 1:13am

That new 400 is pretty dang cool! I've never owned one , but thought about getting one. Nice to see Suzuki upgrading a bit here. 

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11/7/2024 6:05am
I would also imagine that having a 42mm throttle body compared to a 36mm cv carb will allow for a lot better response and a fair...

I would also imagine that having a 42mm throttle body compared to a 36mm cv carb will allow for a lot better response and a fair amount of additional top end compared to the S.

Yep, that alone will make the 400 feel so much better!

2/20/2025 5:42pm Edited Date/Time 2/20/2025 7:01pm

Bump for Price announcement at an absolutely sky-high $9k MSRP:

https://suzukicycles.com/dualsport/2025/dr-z4s

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For comparison, the also newly-released KTM 390 Enduro R comes in at $5500 and is getting solid early reviews.

https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/dual-sport/2025-ktm-390-enduror.html

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And the competition-model based CRF450RL comes in only a small bit higher at $10.1K:

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Both the Honda and KTM come with a 6 speed transmission.

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2/20/2025 6:56pm Edited Date/Time 2/20/2025 7:03pm

Yup, they've seriously overpriced this "new' DRZ.

Yet to see the OZ pricing, but I detected a fair amount of glumness at my local Suzuki dealership about it , yesterday. A fair few prospective owners of the '25 DRZ, they say,  are telling them they won't buy them at  the US pricing level, when transferred to AUD. I see the Euro pricing is drawing a lot of negativity, too. 

I'd say there will be a bit of an uptake in 450L sales, and, RE450s and KTM390s  ( if the KTM groups future is seen to be stable enough - I'm pretty bloody wary of things  at the moment, though, the 390, well a variation of it -  would survive pretty easily / likely under Bajaj's umbrella, as they are the main base for manufacture of them) .

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2/20/2025 7:08pm Edited Date/Time 2/20/2025 7:09pm
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Yup, they've seriously overpriced this "new' DRZ.Yet to see the OZ pricing, but I detected a fair amount of glumness at my local Suzuki dealership about...

Yup, they've seriously overpriced this "new' DRZ.

Yet to see the OZ pricing, but I detected a fair amount of glumness at my local Suzuki dealership about it , yesterday. A fair few prospective owners of the '25 DRZ, they say,  are telling them they won't buy them at  the US pricing level, when transferred to AUD. I see the Euro pricing is drawing a lot of negativity, too. 

I'd say there will be a bit of an uptake in 450L sales, and, RE450s and KTM390s  ( if the KTM groups future is seen to be stable enough - I'm pretty bloody wary of things  at the moment, though, the 390, well a variation of it -  would survive pretty easily / likely under Bajaj's umbrella, as they are the main base for manufacture of them) .

Perhaps it will be like other Zook models with seemingly perpetual steep mfg rebates and throw-in offers. But then, why not just price it competitively to begin with?

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2/20/2025 10:09pm

The ktm 390 weights more than the drz4s as well, I'm in the market for a dual sport this year, hopefully so ride reviews happen soon, really interested in the 390

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Talk about an own goal. The point of light trail is to be an affordable entry into this world.

Yet to see euro price but compared to the KTM390, the Zook is down on power 6hp, about 17 kg lighter but if it's 3-4k more expensive, forget it. It's basically same price as VStrom650, merely 1k less than VStrom800, doesn't make sense.

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2/21/2025 12:17am

I love motocross and I ride whenever I can but as I'm getting older and have more responsibility it's tougher and tougher to go to the tracks. So I'm more looking into something that I can ride straight out of my house, have fun doing some off-road and requires little maintenance. I'm not into heavy ADV bikes and that new DR-Z4S fills that need perfectly. I haven't got a chance to ride KTM 690 Enduro or Husqvarna 701 Enduro.

In recent years lightweight motorcycles got more into performance and really not all off-road enthusiasts needs that amount of performance. On the other end ADV segment got bigger and I think that due to ADV bikes, some people got hooked into off-road but don't have skills to ride heavy bike properly. Maybe Suzuki foreseen that dual-sports might have resurgence. KTM also showed new models which aren't high performance machines.

2/21/2025 10:33am Edited Date/Time 2/21/2025 11:03am
Perhaps it will be like other Zook models with seemingly perpetual steep mfg rebates and throw-in offers. But then, why not just price it competitively to...

Perhaps it will be like other Zook models with seemingly perpetual steep mfg rebates and throw-in offers. But then, why not just price it competitively to begin with?

So looks like the throw-in offer for the DRZ-4s is an accessory kit with an Aluminum Skid Plate (ARV: $299.95); flag style Handguards (ARV: $79.95); Front Brake Disc Guard (ARV: $49.95); Rear Brake Disc Guard (ARV: $39.95). The skid plate looks like a quality piece, while the other guards look like the plastic bits that come standard on many off road bikes.

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For comparison sake: the Honda comes standard with plastic skid plate, flag handguards, and front/rear disc guard. The KTM comes standard with aluminum skid plate and wrap-style handguards

 

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2/21/2025 11:11am

I was thinking about getting one of these DRZ, but having second thoughts. They priced it too high IMHO. I Won't buy a KTM even though it's cheaper. The Honda 450 has been out for years and has great aftermarket, plus dealers have them discounted to like $9500 around here. Might lean that way.

All these bikes have cheap plastic hand deflectors, none have proper aluminum guards. They will all require aftermarket ECU no matter what, thanks to emissions BS. All need bigger aftermarket gas tanks too.

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I love motocross and I ride whenever I can but as I'm getting older and have more responsibility it's tougher and tougher to go to the...

I love motocross and I ride whenever I can but as I'm getting older and have more responsibility it's tougher and tougher to go to the tracks. So I'm more looking into something that I can ride straight out of my house, have fun doing some off-road and requires little maintenance. I'm not into heavy ADV bikes and that new DR-Z4S fills that need perfectly. I haven't got a chance to ride KTM 690 Enduro or Husqvarna 701 Enduro.

In recent years lightweight motorcycles got more into performance and really not all off-road enthusiasts needs that amount of performance. On the other end ADV segment got bigger and I think that due to ADV bikes, some people got hooked into off-road but don't have skills to ride heavy bike properly. Maybe Suzuki foreseen that dual-sports might have resurgence. KTM also showed new models which aren't high performance machines.

I got the 701, '24 model. Did a few mods, I'm over the moon! Most incredible machine. I can't even believe it, still. Had it just over year, 3000miles, mostly dirt.

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2/21/2025 12:56pm

So maybe there is a slim chance that we see a new RM-Z 250 and 450 at some point.

The Suzuki president said they have a full new line of street bikes coming out and that they are going back to Moto GP. Plus Keefer said a new RMZ 450 is ready to go so…

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So maybe there is a slim chance that we see a new RM-Z 250 and 450 at some point.

BryceO766 wrote:
The Suzuki president said they have a full new line of street bikes coming out and that they are going back to Moto GP. Plus Keefer...

The Suzuki president said they have a full new line of street bikes coming out and that they are going back to Moto GP. Plus Keefer said a new RMZ 450 is ready to go so…

I don’t think keefer has said anything about a new rmz in the last couple years.  

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I have had my eye on the new DRZ4 and finally got to see one up close at A1.  A local dealer had one on display.  Honestly kinda let down.  It just looked cheap.

I've owned Hondas, currently own several Yamahas including a T7, and KTMs.  I guess thats what I have to compare it with, but still, kinda looked cheap.

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4/18/2025 12:54pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2025 12:54pm

Overpriced for Europe too, 9700 € for a little trail bike, don't know what they're thinking, 3k more than KTM 390 enduro R!

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4/18/2025 2:29pm

That 390 KTM looks like a great boat anchor with crappy suspension.

And I'd be willing to bet the old DRZ model is both lighter and faster than the new one, lol... Get a cheap one and rebuild it.
 

 

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