TRIUMPH Announces Coming Line Of MX and Enduro Bikes, Carmichael to Test

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Ricky has been doing stuff with triumph for over a year now, they could be closer to a production model than we think.
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I think the surprise for me is that they appear to be jumping in to both segments with both feet at the same time.

I expected that we would hear about an off-road bike line coming soon, followed by a motocross bike development.

Good for them, I hope it's full of success.
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no leaked photo's of said bike? this reminds me of the Harley/Buell attempt at it. They had a bike just about ready, but Harley shut it down when they decided to axe Buell.
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user760a wrote:
1200XE...the baddest retro/modern scrambler out there!! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/20/502294/s1200_Triumph_Scrambler_1200_Baja_1000_Race_bike_a_1024x670.jpg[/img]
1200XE...the baddest retro/modern scrambler out there!!
Yup

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The first Barstow-to-Vegas was won on a Triumph.


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Be interesting to see where this goes ,

A 450 in 3 versions (mx xc/enduro and road legal seems the obvious model first, but where else do they go. Are they doing a whole range , are they going electric ?
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mxrose3 wrote:
no leaked photo's of said bike? this reminds me of the Harley/Buell attempt at it. They had a bike just about ready, but Harley shut it...
no leaked photo's of said bike? this reminds me of the Harley/Buell attempt at it. They had a bike just about ready, but Harley shut it down when they decided to axe Buell.
How does no evidence of a bike remind you of a bike that was damn near ready for production?
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mxrose3 wrote:
no leaked photo's of said bike? this reminds me of the Harley/Buell attempt at it. They had a bike just about ready, but Harley shut it...
no leaked photo's of said bike? this reminds me of the Harley/Buell attempt at it. They had a bike just about ready, but Harley shut it down when they decided to axe Buell.
The mx bike was shelved a few years before Harley pulled the plug on Buell
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luke11 wrote:
This is nuts! So long as they’re at least on par with the Suzuki I will buy one and get a triumph road bike to. Rule...
This is nuts!
So long as they’re at least on par with the Suzuki I will buy one and get a triumph road bike to. Rule Britannia 🇬🇧
EngIceDave wrote:
Let's see how much is actually made there
I have quit running engine ice in everything i own just because of the way you act on this message board.
Evans waterless coolant in my CR500. Coolanol in my other bikes.
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Really cool and very unexpected!

Being the frame will be the same between the MX and off-road models (like other brands) its not *too* surprising they are going to be aiming for two demographics. However, its a massive investment, especially if they are making their own motor packages, which I suspect they will.

I'd expect a 250F and 450F alongside a small displacement 2 stroke, 250 two stroke and 300 two stroke.

Suspension, brakes, clutch, bar, wheels etc will all be outsourced (duh). Curious if they'll go EFI on their 2 stroke models (which is a big assumption they'll even make them) or carb them.

Overall its a very big undertaking, but plenty of good stuff to "learn from" already in circulation. Plus, they clearly have supply chain management dialed.

Be fun to see another bike enter the fray. And no, I wouldn't expect an electric bike right out of the gate. They don't have an on-road electric motorcycle (which is more feasible) though they do have one in development.
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Bruneval wrote:
This announcement has made me want to run out and buy a Triumph road bike. Haven't had a street bike for years, but I like what...
This announcement has made me want to run out and buy a Triumph road bike. Haven't had a street bike for years, but I like what they're doing and hadn't really been following, until now....
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They are a awesome brand. I’ve owned a Thruxton, Bonneville, Tiger and Speedmaster. Never had any mechanic issues with any of them. Can’t wait to see...
They are a awesome brand. I’ve owned a Thruxton, Bonneville, Tiger and Speedmaster. Never had any mechanic issues with any of them. Can’t wait to see what the MX model will look like. I’m thinking very KTM-ish 👍
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That's great feedback. At this stage in my life, late-30s, father to young children and business owner, I can ill afford the risks associated with superbikes...
That's great feedback. At this stage in my life, late-30s, father to young children and business owner, I can ill afford the risks associated with superbikes. I've had them all before, R1/R6, ZX10R, Ducati 996R and a few supermoto bikes and the novelty wore off after a close friend died on one of our rides. But, I live close to some incredible scenery and mountain roads and fancy taking it in on something sensible. Looking at the Triumph road models, they have a number of options that fill that brief without being boring!
I gotta tell you Bruneval, some of my most enjoyable rides of my life (I’m 61 and started riding at 5 and racing MX in 1969) were backroad rides on my new generation Triumphs that have the looks of what Steve McQueen rode in the 60’s. The purr like mean kitties and handle backroads just fine. I kept trying different models to see which one I liked the best. The 2018 Speedmaster was the most fun of all. Never any issues with any of them. The Tiger kicks ass if you want to go a little quicker on the twisties and be able to bounce off into the dirt. I’ve always loved this brand and can’t wait to see what they come out with
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mxrose3 wrote:
no leaked photo's of said bike? this reminds me of the Harley/Buell attempt at it. They had a bike just about ready, but Harley shut it...
no leaked photo's of said bike? this reminds me of the Harley/Buell attempt at it. They had a bike just about ready, but Harley shut it down when they decided to axe Buell.
McG194 wrote:
How does no evidence of a bike remind you of a bike that was damn near ready for production?
Because many ppl were all hyped up (including myself) to see a new Harley MX bike - even if it turned out to be a pile of crap. It just got people's hopes up for nothing because financial instabilities made them pull the plug in the late stages of development. I really hope Triumph sees this project through, and I hope it is successful. Please don't pull a Cannondale and try to re-invent the wheel though.
7/20/2021 1:19pm
Who has the better first year? Triumph or Beta?
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Just my 2 cents as I have no info.

I think lots of positive can come from this. Maybe immediately, maybe in the mid term.

With Bajaj being a major shareholder, I think many parts will be shared, let us not be too excited and expect too much. What is great for the group is the dealership network then extended will drive growth, and make dealerships very happy. Economy of scale may help ktm too as they are really making a push in motogp, which is a really big invest. I would not be surprised to see Triumph giving it a go too in the longer term.

Triumph has also its own identity, a high quality standard, and is coming from a country with a big passion for motorsports (and its own market that I think will welcome well the brand in mx). Although the bikes may share many parts (I.e : the engine, which is cool as it is proven), I don't expect a grey ktm. I would guess (and hope) we may see more components like the boutique brands like beta, sherco, tm, maybe some kayaba solva marzochi, or maybe an aluminium frame or tank. Something quite on the higher end (for instance a great base a bit like what Seely did to his bike). Any differentiation would be cool as I would think the parts could be adaptable then on the other bikes (ktm, husky, gas gas), which may make some hardcore fans quite their own bike. A team in the US and in MXGP would also be awesome to see.

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Posted this in another thread, but probably worth posting here too. This project was well underway when I left Triumph nearly 2 years ago, and even then I saw some sketches that looked promising. I obviously don't know what they've been up to since, but there's a lot of knowledge and expertise in the company. When I was there, there was absolutely no intent of sharing parts or knowledge with another brand (i.e. KTM via Bajaj) - it was supposed to be a ground up project. Again, that was 2 years ago, but I would assume the same intent is there.

Triumph as a business is very conservative, so they wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think they could do it well.

I'm speculating, but I would imagine this project is not expected to make money by itself, but rather to add value/legitimacy to their adventure bikes, and potentially act as a test bed for new ideas for the rest of their range. And let's be honest, that's probably why KTM pour so much money into racing and why Suzuki won't.
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yota wrote:
Evans waterless coolant in my CR500. Coolanol in my other bikes.
I’ve never been able to read that name without seeing “Cool Anal”
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Bosco wrote:
Posted this in another thread, but probably worth posting here too. This project was well underway when I left Triumph nearly 2 years ago, and even...
Posted this in another thread, but probably worth posting here too. This project was well underway when I left Triumph nearly 2 years ago, and even then I saw some sketches that looked promising. I obviously don't know what they've been up to since, but there's a lot of knowledge and expertise in the company. When I was there, there was absolutely no intent of sharing parts or knowledge with another brand (i.e. KTM via Bajaj) - it was supposed to be a ground up project. Again, that was 2 years ago, but I would assume the same intent is there.

Triumph as a business is very conservative, so they wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think they could do it well.

I'm speculating, but I would imagine this project is not expected to make money by itself, but rather to add value/legitimacy to their adventure bikes, and potentially act as a test bed for new ideas for the rest of their range. And let's be honest, that's probably why KTM pour so much money into racing and why Suzuki won't.
this is the best response ive seen in a while.

cool inside. makes a lot of sense and excited to see where it heads.


Id love to see Triumph take on Suzuki's parts and re build there bike with modern equipment and technology.
cheap and a great base to build from.

knowing KTM's market share. there isn't many bikes made now that don't share KTM parts.

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I would dig this.


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I don't shit from shit, but it would be awesome to see Triumph get into the MX game. Look forward to see what this holds, and RC, looking good yo!!!
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7/20/2021 9:36pm
Triumph has been race testing their equipment at Glen Helen for years . . . I guess they are ready for the next phase in their development. I wonder if the new Triumph models will have chrome or plastic fenders






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Hate to be "that guy," but this is pointless unless the bikes are electric. Triumph aren't gonna be stealing sales from the big 5... errr.. I mean big 7 for a considerable amount of time if we're talking ICE bikes.

🥂🍻🍻🥂Cheers to them either way though. MX is the greatest, cuz it's the motorsport that depends on rider skill the most. I still want the best bike though, haha!
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My spidey-senses are telling me that this bike is gonna be a 450cc twin, like the old Aprilla. What, with the 675 Triumph being a 675cc Triple, in a world dominated with V-Twin, Crossplane, and I-4 1000's. Haha, sportbike have definitely embraced the funk in recent years. 30 Triumph powered bikes in this video here

https://youtu.be/TZWzeFoCfuo
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7/20/2021 11:14pm
luke11 wrote:
This is nuts! So long as they’re at least on par with the Suzuki I will buy one and get a triumph road bike to. Rule...
This is nuts!
So long as they’re at least on par with the Suzuki I will buy one and get a triumph road bike to. Rule Britannia 🇬🇧
EngIceDave wrote:
Let's see how much is actually made there
I have quit running engine ice in everything i own just because of the way you act on this message board.
You numbskulls obviously aren’t aware he sold the company and banked millions?!

He couldn’t give a f*ck if you or anyone uses it anymore.🙄
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Even an old Triumph can be made into a competitive machine if you have the engineering skills. Check out the PDS Triumphs in the UK. These have a 500cc Triumph twin cylinder engine mated to a KTM modern transmission, and with a good rider on board, they really fly!

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418 Ranch wrote:
I would dig this. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/20/502382/s1200_203A9398_3179_4435_95B6_D859EF6BE8FB.jpg[/img]
I would dig this.


I'd much rather see them going with Bobby Hewitt instead. He has had quite a bit more success than JGR had in the sport.
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Bruneval wrote:
This announcement has made me want to run out and buy a Triumph road bike. Haven't had a street bike for years, but I like what...
This announcement has made me want to run out and buy a Triumph road bike. Haven't had a street bike for years, but I like what they're doing and hadn't really been following, until now....
KennyT wrote:
They are a awesome brand. I’ve owned a Thruxton, Bonneville, Tiger and Speedmaster. Never had any mechanic issues with any of them. Can’t wait to see...
They are a awesome brand. I’ve owned a Thruxton, Bonneville, Tiger and Speedmaster. Never had any mechanic issues with any of them. Can’t wait to see what the MX model will look like. I’m thinking very KTM-ish 👍
Bruneval wrote:
That's great feedback. At this stage in my life, late-30s, father to young children and business owner, I can ill afford the risks associated with superbikes...
That's great feedback. At this stage in my life, late-30s, father to young children and business owner, I can ill afford the risks associated with superbikes. I've had them all before, R1/R6, ZX10R, Ducati 996R and a few supermoto bikes and the novelty wore off after a close friend died on one of our rides. But, I live close to some incredible scenery and mountain roads and fancy taking it in on something sensible. Looking at the Triumph road models, they have a number of options that fill that brief without being boring!
I’ve had a few road bike too and close friend dying and couple friends having very serious road accidents took me off the roads and brought me back to MX

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