Too early to call Jett Lawrence the best ever at his age?

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Momus 1/20/2020 11:04am
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APLMAN99 wrote:
If his average lap times were a half second faster than Ferrandis, then Ferrandis couldn't have caught him.....

Momus wrote:
Fair comment.

Go here:

https://results.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S2015/S2F1RID.pdf

to see the timings the AMA uses.

They eliminate crash laps from the average.
APLMAN99 wrote:
No, they don't. This is a screw up, as they counted the lap that Ferrandis crashed on. When something is demonstrably false, like saying that someone...
No, they don't. This is a screw up, as they counted the lap that Ferrandis crashed on.

When something is demonstrably false, like saying that someone who finished behind the leader had a faster average lap time, it should be an alert that something isn't right.
Maybe.

But as I said those times appear to be with crash laps removed- they may do it in a more sophisticated statisticians way- that I do not know- as well.

Agree that it is a bit of an off way to do the calculation but it is AMA's method and a consistent comparison tool.

Compare the #83 average times to #3, #94. Point is the lad is very quick.
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Dave #125 1/20/2020 11:56am
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TDeath21 wrote:
I don’t think there’s any other answer to this question except Stewart is there? Not on the AMA side anyway. Carmichael only did one race at...
I don’t think there’s any other answer to this question except Stewart is there? Not on the AMA side anyway. Carmichael only did one race at 16. Same with Villopoto. Most top guys seem to turn pro full time at 17. Just the way the calendar falls. Stewart turned 16 two months before A1 and won his 2nd race.
Bradshaw won against RJ In 1988 as a 16yr old..
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I think that question is not appropriate and only leaves huge expectations, which tends to bring disastrous results, win or crash mentality, fanboyism, haters, etc. But...

I think that question is not appropriate and only leaves huge expectations, which tends to bring disastrous results, win or crash mentality, fanboyism, haters, etc.

But is he the most promising rookie this year ? So far yes and it is awesome to watch ! I love his style, it reminds me of Windham when he entered the pro class in 98 (and there is a bit of Pourcel too). Nice aerial style, feet on the pegs, light on the bike, smooth. He made it look easy for a good 10 minutes, almost like the previous week behind Forkner where he was also looking awesome but made more little mistakes. So i think he improved over 7 days! With all the great people in his corner (training partners, Dungey, Jonnhy O', etc etc), I am sure they will help him to get championships !
seventeen wrote:
Whindham did not enter the pro class in 98...but most of the rest of your statement is fair...
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Ah sorry, 97 in SX Wink
Still wrong...🤦‍♂️
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APLMAN99 1/20/2020 4:57pm
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Momus wrote:
Fair comment.

Go here:

https://results.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S2015/S2F1RID.pdf

to see the timings the AMA uses.

They eliminate crash laps from the average.
APLMAN99 wrote:
No, they don't. This is a screw up, as they counted the lap that Ferrandis crashed on. When something is demonstrably false, like saying that someone...
No, they don't. This is a screw up, as they counted the lap that Ferrandis crashed on.

When something is demonstrably false, like saying that someone who finished behind the leader had a faster average lap time, it should be an alert that something isn't right.
Momus wrote:
Maybe. But as I said those times appear to be with crash laps removed- they may do it in a more sophisticated statisticians way- that I...
Maybe.

But as I said those times appear to be with crash laps removed- they may do it in a more sophisticated statisticians way- that I do not know- as well.

Agree that it is a bit of an off way to do the calculation but it is AMA's method and a consistent comparison tool.

Compare the #83 average times to #3, #94. Point is the lad is very quick.
Those averages are obviously suspect, as Ferrandis’s “crash lap” is counted.

When things don’t add up, you should acknowledge it rather than to blindly parrot it.
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Nobody is Stew. Nobody and I never was a really a Stew fan. But that guy was the best small bike rider ever.
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KYFHO699 1/20/2020 5:49pm
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Lechien was a badass at age 16.
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Underground 1/20/2020 5:53pm
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He's definitely got to at least have a blank page reserved now in the book of greats to start chalking up results.
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How many races has he won already?
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Lucifa. 1/20/2020 6:49pm
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str8line wrote:
Five minutes into leading his first main?
No because he's always crashing.
Dirtdigger 1/20/2020 9:31pm
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Ron Lechien won the Orlando SX at age 16! Michael Pichon won his 3rd SX in the States!
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Roczen and Herlings won GPs when both where 15!
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Those averages are obviously suspect, as Ferrandis’s “crash lap” is counted.

When things don’t add up, you should acknowledge it rather than to blindly parrot it.
Lol. As I said, maybe. Work out the average with Ferrandis' crash lap out and Lawrence is still a lot faster.
And while we are at it, Jett easily accounted for DF in their heat.
BTW was not my mistake averaging those times.
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Momus 1/21/2020 3:48am
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KYFHO699 wrote:
Lechien was a badass at age 16.
Marty Tripes, and Joel Robert arguably more so.
quadzrulebro 1/21/2020 5:21am
1/21/2020 5:21am
The answer is definitely no. As others here pointed out, Stewart’s rookie season eclipses Lawrence’s fast laps last weekend that were punctuated by a pair of crashes that took him out of contention for the title.
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defeatist45 1/21/2020 5:29am
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Pretty sure AC won his first 250 supercross race
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quadzrulebro 1/21/2020 5:45am
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defeatist45 wrote:
Pretty sure AC won his first 250 supercross race
Adam was 17 when he won his first Supercross. The question was whether or not Jett is the best ever at his age (16).
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TannerMxer 1/21/2020 1:33pm
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It's not too early because it's already too late. He's not. James Stewart was the baddest 16 year old.

To quote Allen Iverson when he talks about Kobe:

"whu what, you forgot? i really think they forgot."

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seventeen wrote:
Whindham did not enter the pro class in 98...but most of the rest of your statement is fair...
Question wrote:
Ah sorry, 97 in SX Wink
seventeen wrote:
Still wrong...🤦‍♂️
Ah 95 ! This one is correct !

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Dirty Points 1/22/2020 12:46am
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Not the best ever at his age. Kid is really damn great, though.
motonation24 1/22/2020 1:36am
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Only a couple guys every 10 years are this good (KW, RC, JS,CR, AC). It’s so so hard to come into this class and run up front.
Freakish talent
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motonation24 wrote:
Only a couple guys every 10 years are this good (KW, RC, JS,CR, AC). It’s so so hard to come into this class and run up...
Only a couple guys every 10 years are this good (KW, RC, JS,CR, AC). It’s so so hard to come into this class and run up front.
Freakish talent
The only 3 riders with a faster lap at A2 we're on 450's #3,#4,#94.
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Dirty Points 1/22/2020 1:54am
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motonation24 wrote:
Only a couple guys every 10 years are this good (KW, RC, JS,CR, AC). It’s so so hard to come into this class and run up...
Only a couple guys every 10 years are this good (KW, RC, JS,CR, AC). It’s so so hard to come into this class and run up front.
Freakish talent
Momus wrote:
The only 3 riders with a faster lap at A2 we're on 450's #3,#4,#94.
Which is fucking awesome, but the other part of the judgement is that the kid was dropping anchor in all 3 races. Seems like he has about 8-10 good mins right now, then things go sideways. But it is clear the skill there is huge.
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fastchookracing 1/22/2020 2:35am
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Rex Easley just took his shirt off. Sorry, too soon? Up the Queenslanders. Love u Sepo’s too. I’m just a dumb broke has been, never was but since A2 I’ve been rounding up the chooks and giving them curry. Up the cane toads! Tear em up like a cooked chook Jett.
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davis224 1/22/2020 2:50am
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motonation24 wrote:
Only a couple guys every 10 years are this good (KW, RC, JS,CR, AC). It’s so so hard to come into this class and run up...
Only a couple guys every 10 years are this good (KW, RC, JS,CR, AC). It’s so so hard to come into this class and run up front.
Freakish talent
Momus wrote:
The only 3 riders with a faster lap at A2 we're on 450's #3,#4,#94.
Also need to factor in that the track was significantly worse for the 450 main. I'm on the Jett bandwagon, but it needs to pump the brakes a bit. How quickly he is improving is astonishing, but Stewart showed up to the scene (almost) ready to dominate.
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Question wrote:
Ah sorry, 97 in SX Wink
seventeen wrote:
Still wrong...🤦‍♂️
Question wrote:
Ah 95 ! This one is correct !
Didn't KW do High-Point as number 787 or something on a KX125 in 1994?
bentiggerwyles 1/22/2020 3:03am
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I do have to say Jett reminded me of a young Damon Bradshaw with the willingness to just twist the throttle, I loved the front end high over the dragon back, He seems like a breath of fresh air with his personality and riding style.
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seventeen wrote:
Still wrong...🤦‍♂️
Question wrote:
Ah 95 ! This one is correct !
Crush wrote:
Didn't KW do High-Point as number 787 or something on a KX125 in 1994?
Yup he debuted outdoor. which is why i said SX in 95 Wink
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motomike137 1/22/2020 3:44am
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Howz about we just enjoy the kid as he matures and not put this kind of pressure on him? There is a long list of phenom teenagers that would be above him imho.
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motomike137 wrote:
Howz about we just enjoy the kid as he matures and not put this kind of pressure on him? There is a long list of phenom...
Howz about we just enjoy the kid as he matures and not put this kind of pressure on him? There is a long list of phenom teenagers that would be above him imho.
Name 5 of them?
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KAWI642 1/22/2020 5:10am
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no - Ron Lechien prob best 16 year old ever followed by Bradshaw and Bubba
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