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As for the frame change, I think there are some positives for it but overall I’m definitely a bigger fan of the outgoing chassis and based off some comments I’ve heard, the majority of their Us factory riders preferred the older one as well.
The Honda isn’t anymore “comfortable” in a chassis sense then the KTM.
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Great job ML
My point is that until they build up credibility the ONLY reason they have an audience is because of Vital. They use it to push their agenda, attack other organizations nonstop, etc. No one except on the internet gets immediate credibility just because you and your friends demand it. It just doesn't work that way so, none of them should get mad when they don't automatically it. Posting on Vital isn't the issue. None of them are officially tied to Vital anymore. They are merely members. Nothing is on Vital itself. Hint: Jody/MXA has been at it for 40+ years. I know this kills the forum clique but that is a ton of credibility. Same can be said for Keefer, Swapmoto, Dirt Bike, Dirt Rider, etc. I personally applaud them doing testing. Maybe over time they as a clique will earn respect and the credibility they obviously crave. BUT, they aren't going to get it for real by simply demanding it, and attacking those that have done it for 40+ year. My suggestion: Do your tests, post your info. Stop attacking others. If you do a good job the credibility will come.
I got this reply notification from Paul333. I don't see it in the forum, deleted maybe?
Anyway, not sure what this "push their agenda, attack other organizations nonstop, etc" is about. I haven't seen ML512 do this, at least not in this thread. I don't read many posts on the forum so maybe I am missing something here??
Year-after-year, my Shootouts at Vital crushed the views of others, so we definitely found an audience who respects what we did as a brand. And in a very new format/just a couple months in I'm competitive for views with the old guard of mags, in part due to the credibility I built up over the work I've done the past six years at Vital.
While I'm so thankful for the launching pad this site gave me I can confidently say that a big part of our testing growth came from users trust of my info and the features attached to my name. I don't need a brand or magazine to work for to give me my credibility. Much like Keefer, my credibility is my work, my words, and my name.
All he did was go out, buy some bikes and talk about them. Then you and a couple others come in and start spewing BS about how he's burning bridges, lying, being deceitful, taking shots at magazines, doesn't have the right to do this, etc. It's absolute madness how you are trying to tear him down and accuse him of doing shit he didn't do.
F.O.H.
So please, point out the lies specifically. Other than that, I just heard from Bud that you forgot to sweep out the tower and empty the trash can next to his desk.
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So what, he said he got the bikes from Chaparrel and the Husqy was actually purchase from somewhere else. Oh shit, there was a math error in the video..... I just don't see those as deception and ML has clarified.
I will say that grip donut mod was completely uncalled for, you should be ashamed ML........HAHAHA!
The negativity from a handful of users just baffles me. Maybe because I am not part of this "clique" being thrown about.
All vitals are wondering the same...Now that you’re doing your own thing, are you gonna be able to make an A-KIT suspension shootout ?
That would be amazing ! Think about all the guys wondering if they should go with Cone Valve or Ohlins or Kayaba and so on.
Thx
Plenty of candidates to start a fresh post about politics in the industry regarding testing and media.
I’m here for the Moto.
However, I am thoroughly impressed that you (ML) pissed off the mags. F'em!
Mr. Info seems like a crybaby bitch who probably works at a mag company. Shit or get off the pot. Having to wait for mags to gather their bearings blows. The 20s are hitting the showroom obviously. I don't want a review in December.
Maybe after the shootout pit 1 250 2 stroke against the 250 shootout winner. A mini shootout. Lap times, weight, dyno, comparisons. Would be a huge start. And please put jeff on the bikes back to back too!!
Theyre legal in 250 class for amateurs and lets face it...they get smoked in 450s and aren't relevant in that class anymore. But in the 250 class they are still a legitamate choice!!
Flak is always heaviest when you are over the target. You are doing big things that no one has done before in this industry.
Was I sad to hear your review on the Suzuki? Of course but you were fair and the production and everything about the video and shootout was top notch. The fact that you stepped up and actually bought the bikes speaks volume about your commitment. For that, the rest can shut up and go sit down.
I think some people are going to stop testing bikes now because you are a tough act to follow!
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