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I'm sure now you will start lurking in all my posts trolling me again.
MXA is good media, as is Dirt Bike, Dirt Bike Test, and many other sites. I used to enjoy Enduro 360 too, and there are lots of forums where there is lots of good info. Endless YouTube channels from all over the world. It's a different world today.
Thank you for proving my point.
History, Training, Skill, Knowledge, Credibility, System, Experience, ETC means nothing. Depending on it is a “Fallacy”...LOL.
It’s far better to just decide you are something on the internet. I sure hope my Airline Pilot, Nuclear Engineer, Brain Surgeon, and a thousand other vital professions are filled this way..
Again, the clique replies prove that if a current bike testing organization acknowledge the Vital “Test Rider” clique they are instantly awesome and highly recommended. Except that you aren’t personally wealthy and buy your own test bikes so Unfortunately you are still potentially tainted - Sorry.
Ignore the clique and you basically suck. Made worse if you have a very high credibility level. Now you really suck.
LOL, it’s laughable
No amount of buddy shill posting, probably some troll burner account posting, whatever is going to wave a magic wand and instantly give anyone test rider credibility. Sorry, I didn’t mean to bust the Twitter generations bubble. Please don’t be triggered.
I buy a bike once every 4 years, new pants jersey gloves are much more frequent.
The way you mock someone who is doing something different, something that people seem to dig, is nuts. I really don't get this statement.
"It’s far better to just decide you are something on the internet. I sure hope my Airline Pilot, Nuclear Engineer, Brain Surgeon, and a thousand other vital professions are filled this way." - Are you really saying this dirt bike review thing is like any of those careers with regard to the mortality of those affected??
There have been a lot of famous and not so famous people who have revolutionized fields and in turn done pretty damn well for themselves. It seems you don't like this kind of thing. They decided they were worth something and gave it their all. You may have heard of some of them, or not, I will just throw some bones out there for you on the types of people I am thinking of.... Bill Gates, Nate Saint, Jobs, so many others....
Clique, well just so you know I am not part of any clique and didn't post this to rub it in the faces of the "dinosaurs." I am a 47 YO IT professional that rides motorcycles/dirt bikes and overall has a love for the sport.
The Shop
Was surprised at the low placing of the ktm...
Not sure if I ever want another 450...its cool having one though..kinda like having a v8 tucked away in the garage...
But I am curious as to how the yamaha trumped the ktm.....the thing I hate about myv17 yz450 is the weight...I feel it everywhere...and the new ones arent much lighter...
Sure would love to try both the KTM and the new Yam , back to back...and see if either re spark an interest in 450's for me..
1) Suzuki: it’s still old and heavy
2) Kawasaki: needs fork springs and a pipe to be a pure mx bike
3) Honda’s: hard to set up, but flickable around a track
What I did learn that I couldn’t guess:
4) KTM: it’s bit off, for a mx track
5) Husky & Yamaha: aimed strictly to pass for a Mx bike fresh out of the box.
the fresh out of the box test means nothing to me or for I’m gonna guess 95% of the people that buy a mx bike.
I’ll be interested in a “we spent $1000 or $2000 in hop ups/after market stuff on these bikes, here is who won that challenge!”
Chap gets some solid PR, ML gets some serious traffic and hopefully consumers get untainted information - only time will tell. Will these bikes be around all year or some sold soon to recoup $ outlay? If he received smoking deals, there is a chance he might end up in the black or very close, maybe if sales tax and registration was collected.
Regardless, I like the concept, kind of like consumer reports, they purchase everything retail then report. Who knows, this could be the next transformation in the industry. Kudos for ML trying something new and beating everyone to the stating line by possibly months.
Plus he can sell them when it’s all over.
Seems like people think he has to throw them in the dumpster when it’s all over and lose the whole amount!
I’m impressed with the plan, it’s good to see a young guy thinking and pushing the industry in ways it hasn’t been pushed!
Pit Row
I can tell you all a kx Needs is a pipe and fork springs but if there is something else I would love to know it!
I think you are saying that on-line reviewers are not qualified to test motorcycles and report their results because they happen to post on Vital MX? That seems like a thin argument to me.
Remember,Jody Wiesel, the person who has been testing dirt bikes far longer than anyone currently, has a masters degree in Gerontology -tell me how that qualifies him to be the ultimate authority on which dirt bike you should buy?
Reviews of anything are all subjective anyway, No one is telling you who to believe.
When KTM/Husky going back to spring forks, they will be in run for the win again. Most people hate airforks those days, included me haha. First thing i change when i got a bike with airforks
Would be cool to see what you could do for the money, obviously the suzuki will be dirt cheap and the KTM most expensive, invest that spare change in mods and throw it back in the mix as a shootout later down the track.
Really really liked your work here and if i can add some wishes, can you bring the 350 for the 250 shootout ?
Would be nice to see how they compare to the rest of the bikes since everybody say a 350 is a 250 on steroids.
Also, i would love to see you create a website such as Keefer because the reading is much much better than the video and you can describe the feeling of the bike more in depth IMO.
Thx
As an owner of a ‘16 KTM 450 and now a 19.5 I was very happy with what KTM did with the frame change. The older gen bike was wallowy under braking and straight line acceleration in rollers and vague in corners compared to the new one which tracks straight and corners accurately. I will say when it was new it did have a very harsh feel. It took about 6 hours before it felt good. It will never feel as compliant as the older gen but I much prefer the accuracy.
I really hope KTM doesn’t succumb to pressure and go back to that softer frame! If they do I’ll look at switching to Honda in the future. *shrug*
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