2020 450 Shootouts

Mr. Info wrote:

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loftyair wrote:

Heres another thing. Unfortunately, exact bikes sitting next to each other at a dealer, are not exact. A lemon, and a lime, sitting there together. Which...

Heres another thing. Unfortunately, exact bikes sitting next to each other at a dealer, are not exact. A lemon, and a lime, sitting there together. Which one did you test? Is the 'good' one still at dealer? I think its awesome what you did Mike. Also, just a tire or bar bend, correct oil and height in forks, new shock oil, correctly lubed chassis, also makes potentially huge differences.

Mr. Info wrote:

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Hammer 663s wrote:

You are an embarrassment to the Socal OTMX organization. The board there should take steps to remove you from your position. Since you're OTMX, I'll assume...

You are an embarrassment to the Socal OTMX organization. The board there should take steps to remove you from your position.

Since you're OTMX, I'll assume you are old, like me. As such, you should have by this point developed some wisdom and control, but it is apparent you have not. You should shut down your keyboard until you develop some, in addition to learning how to type a coherent, properly spelled and punctuated, sentence.

Hammer 663s

Mr. Info wrote:

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Hammer 663s wrote:

You are an embarrassment to the Socal OTMX organization. The board there should take steps to remove you from your position. Since you're OTMX, I'll assume...

You are an embarrassment to the Socal OTMX organization. The board there should take steps to remove you from your position.

Since you're OTMX, I'll assume you are old, like me. As such, you should have by this point developed some wisdom and control, but it is apparent you have not. You should shut down your keyboard until you develop some, in addition to learning how to type a coherent, properly spelled and punctuated, sentence.

Hammer 663s

dean122 wrote:

I've rubbed elbows in the Vet class with Mr. Info at REM in years past. The couple times I've been in common conversation with he and...

I've rubbed elbows in the Vet class with Mr. Info at REM in years past. The couple times I've been in common conversation with he and other riding buddies he seemed like an all around good dude. It's too bad his internet persona makes him out to be a complete asshole.

Mr. Info wrote:

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Hammer 663s wrote:

You are an embarrassment to the Socal OTMX organization. The board there should take steps to remove you from your position. Since you're OTMX, I'll assume...

You are an embarrassment to the Socal OTMX organization. The board there should take steps to remove you from your position.

Since you're OTMX, I'll assume you are old, like me. As such, you should have by this point developed some wisdom and control, but it is apparent you have not. You should shut down your keyboard until you develop some, in addition to learning how to type a coherent, properly spelled and punctuated, sentence.

Hammer 663s

dean122 wrote:

I've rubbed elbows in the Vet class with Mr. Info at REM in years past. The couple times I've been in common conversation with he and...

I've rubbed elbows in the Vet class with Mr. Info at REM in years past. The couple times I've been in common conversation with he and other riding buddies he seemed like an all around good dude. It's too bad his internet persona makes him out to be a complete asshole.

Hammer 663s wrote:

You are an embarrassment to the Socal OTMX organization. The board there should take steps to remove you from your position. Since you're OTMX, I'll assume...

You are an embarrassment to the Socal OTMX organization. The board there should take steps to remove you from your position.

Since you're OTMX, I'll assume you are old, like me. As such, you should have by this point developed some wisdom and control, but it is apparent you have not. You should shut down your keyboard until you develop some, in addition to learning how to type a coherent, properly spelled and punctuated, sentence.

Hammer 663s

dean122 wrote:

I've rubbed elbows in the Vet class with Mr. Info at REM in years past. The couple times I've been in common conversation with he and...

I've rubbed elbows in the Vet class with Mr. Info at REM in years past. The couple times I've been in common conversation with he and other riding buddies he seemed like an all around good dude. It's too bad his internet persona makes him out to be a complete asshole.

slipdog wrote:

I've known Mr. Info for 25+yrs, he's as solid of a moto dude as they come!

slipdog wrote:

I've known Mr. Info for 25+yrs, he's as solid of a moto dude as they come!

Mr. Info wrote:

Let’s leave it here. I didn’t lie, no miss information. Only agenda is telling the truth by anybody to the public is a reflection on their...

Let’s leave it here. I didn’t lie, no miss information. Only agenda is telling the truth by anybody to the public is a reflection on their work and credibility that’s it. If you tell the truth from the beginning you don’t need to go back and change your story. I only saw the introduction but knew the behind the scenes because of it.
I don’t buy my bike because of any magazine or pod test. I ride each one first because I ask friends to ride their bike. Last post on this but knowing the Industry there will be others for other reasons. Just be honest and tell the truth.
Oh just so you know I am not an employee of Glen Helen but I do work for them from time to time. I act as current President of the SoCal OTMX Club and have a regular job outside the industry and have called out others for misunderstandings. Is it that hard to just tell the truth. That’s all everyone asks I think. No one can just lie or misrepresent it’s not fair to anyone.
Have a great week. And God Bless you all.

Harry Backmon wrote:

Bud says to quit posting and get to work - says the first turn looks like a real abortion this morning.

TogaSet wrote:

ML 512 paid for his own 2020 bikes. 6 bikes at maybe 8 grand apiece is 48K. Let’s just call it 50K. How many of you...

ML 512 paid for his own 2020 bikes. 6 bikes at maybe 8 grand apiece is 48K. Let’s just call it 50K. How many of you have $50,000 grand laying around in the bank. Bet Yamaha has 50K.

mxjef wrote:

Good work, Michael!!!!....

TeamGreen wrote:

For Mr. Info...since it comes from “his peeps”... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/08/15/366591/s1200_1F0D05AB_99AC_4ABB_B0F6_BB60EE863C36.jpg[/img]

For Mr. Info...since it comes from “his peeps”...

TeamGreen wrote:

For Mr. Info...since it comes from “his peeps”... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/08/15/366591/s1200_1F0D05AB_99AC_4ABB_B0F6_BB60EE863C36.jpg[/img]

For Mr. Info...since it comes from “his peeps”...

yak651 wrote:

Michael, if you want to load up a trailer of bikes and bring to WI I think we can line you up with tracks and riders...

Michael, if you want to load up a trailer of bikes and bring to WI I think we can line you up with tracks and riders to provide additional test input, just saying!!!

seventeen wrote:

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot. I think it'll be a cool idea...

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot.
I think it'll be a cool idea to take the last place 18/19/20 RMZ and modify it as you see fit; but only to the cost of the winning bike...then see how it does then. You could dial the shock, add a slip on doa re-map, maybe a higher compression piston and see how it does then.
I think that'll be super interesting.

seventeen wrote:

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot. I think it'll be a cool idea...

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot.
I think it'll be a cool idea to take the last place 18/19/20 RMZ and modify it as you see fit; but only to the cost of the winning bike...then see how it does then. You could dial the shock, add a slip on doa re-map, maybe a higher compression piston and see how it does then.
I think that'll be super interesting.

seventeen wrote:

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot. I think it'll be a cool idea...

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot.
I think it'll be a cool idea to take the last place 18/19/20 RMZ and modify it as you see fit; but only to the cost of the winning bike...then see how it does then. You could dial the shock, add a slip on doa re-map, maybe a higher compression piston and see how it does then.
I think that'll be super interesting.

Asselstine wrote:

Difference in MSRP is $400 I believe.

seventeen wrote:

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot. I think it'll be a cool idea...

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot.
I think it'll be a cool idea to take the last place 18/19/20 RMZ and modify it as you see fit; but only to the cost of the winning bike...then see how it does then. You could dial the shock, add a slip on doa re-map, maybe a higher compression piston and see how it does then.
I think that'll be super interesting.

Asselstine wrote:

Difference in MSRP is $400 I believe.

MelonFan123 wrote:

Real world cost and MSRP are two different things. Anyone who has shopped for a new bike lately knows that MSRP is a starting point. Suzuki's...

Real world cost and MSRP are two different things.

Anyone who has shopped for a new bike lately knows that MSRP is a starting point. Suzuki's routinely sell for much less than some of the other 450s.

seventeen wrote:

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot. I think it'll be a cool idea...

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot.
I think it'll be a cool idea to take the last place 18/19/20 RMZ and modify it as you see fit; but only to the cost of the winning bike...then see how it does then. You could dial the shock, add a slip on doa re-map, maybe a higher compression piston and see how it does then.
I think that'll be super interesting.

seventeen wrote:

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot. I think it'll be a cool idea...

Hey ML...considering you purchased all the bikes yourself you have great leeway to do things other media outlets cannot.
I think it'll be a cool idea to take the last place 18/19/20 RMZ and modify it as you see fit; but only to the cost of the winning bike...then see how it does then. You could dial the shock, add a slip on doa re-map, maybe a higher compression piston and see how it does then.
I think that'll be super interesting.

danman wrote:

Keifer did a podcast that was sort of like this, but he bolted on the JGR kit. Basically, he said you could purchase a leftover RMZ...

Keifer did a podcast that was sort of like this, but he bolted on the JGR kit.
Basically, he said you could purchase a leftover RMZ and the JGR engine kit for close to the same amount you'd spend on most of the other bikes. The podcast focused solely on the engine, not suspension, ergo, or anything else.
Give it a listen.