Chase format coming 2017!

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Makes sense to me.Huh
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2/23/2016 6:11pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2016 6:13pm
B-EVANS wrote:
So next year let 's say Dungey kills it first 10 rounds and has a 75 point lead. Say Tomac crashes out of one of the...
So next year let 's say Dungey kills it first 10 rounds and has a 75 point lead. Say Tomac crashes out of one of the first rounds, misses a couple, but makes it into the Chase. Then they reset the points and Dungey still kills it but has 1 bad race with a crash or mechanical, while Tomac wins 1 race, hovers around the podium, and wins the championship by 2 points. (Change the names to suit yourself). How is it fair to call him the champ? Also, I don't think points for qualifier races makes any sense, but I would like to see the get a nice cash reward for that stuff. And if you have to spend an hour trying to explain the format to a casual observer, like Arenacross, then it's probably gimmicked up to much
Well that is a fairly good example and something that could happen, which is the whole point of a Chase format. If you choke in the big game you do not deserve to be the Champion.

Another example. Say that Dungey racks off 10 wins and goes into the past race of the Chase with a decent points lead, but the title is not wrapped up because of the new format. Dungey goes down in the first turn of the last race. Instead of the Dung cruising around and wrapping up the title by merely finishing he has to ride his ass off to get to the front. It will bring something to the later rounds that has been lacking for years. That is a competitive finish to the Championship. Get used to change as it happens...right now this sport is floundering
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I think its a good idea. All you guys saying it doesn't work in NASCAR are full of s***. I'm a life long mx rider and I love the sport. But my wife and I are also big NASCAR fans. And last year was the most exciting season for them since I've been watching that series. Guys last year were racing their asses off all year, trying to get that one win that would lock them into the chase. Then the elimination rounds were even more intense.

All successful sports evolve or the die out. Even the big dog, the NFL is constantly trying to improve their product. MLB has started to figure that out after almost losing all the younger fans by sticking to old worn out traditions.

I just want to see the fastest guys battling it out at the end of the year. So what if we eliminate some riders from the chase.
Every sport does that at the end of the year. Whether it's a play off or a chase. The best move on and rest stay behind.


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2/23/2016 6:17pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2016 6:22pm
moscrop940 wrote:
Also, we all want this sport to grow....how the hell do we expect to grow without change? Its like when everyone says they want to get...
Also, we all want this sport to grow....how the hell do we expect to grow without change?

Its like when everyone says they want to get in better shape but don't eat healthier or work out......do you expect to do what you have always done and get different results?
Why exactly do we want it to grow? Define growth for us?

When I watch the races, I want to see good racing on a nightly basis. The championship, while cool for the winner, comes secondary to close competitive racing.

If you add points for heat and semi wins, you're going to be rewarding the same guys that come top 5 in the mains already. I don't think giving 2 or 3 points for a heat win will close Roczen up by 23 points.

I'd rather see less emphasis put on wins and top 5's. Go to 23 points for a win, drop two points from 1st to 2nd, then a point for every position. That cuts about 10 points off Dungeys lead, maybe more.

Edit:
The other thing I'd like to see is more variety in dirt and track construction (in both series for that matter). Hard pack is good, sand is good, loam is good, soft &rutty is good. Get a variety of conditions to test the guys.

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One would think with how often the top guys get hurt during the season, everyone would agree to count only 14 of the 17 races. Allow the riders to drop 3 races, their worse 3 race finishes or DNF or DNS. So they could still have a chance at the championship.

Suppose a rider gets injured on the day after a race, that rider could miss 3 races giving him 4 weeks off of actual healing time. Most broken bones take about 4 weeks to heal. He could then come back and still be in the championship hunt because he knows everyone else must also drop 3 of their races points.

It would be great for the fans also because a lot more of the riders will still be in the points hunt for the championship, and most likely will race harder knowing so.

If a rider win all 17 races, then great, he will still win the championship if only 14 of those 17 races points are scored. To many riders get injured early in the season and their season is shot.
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If it makes the sport grow, and sturs more outside interest/sponsors....maybe the riders might benefit $$$ wise? Just a thought.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Wow Soooo glad the little dick club wants to get personal... Here is what I get, Princess: 1. It might let someone that gets injured early...
Wow

Soooo glad the little dick club wants to get personal...

Here is what I get, Princess:

1. It might let someone that gets injured early or in the pre-season have a shot at it.
Examples: Andrew or Trey
2. It might make it interesting or...might even cause a 250 rider to stay on a 450...
3. It makes the season "intriguing" again after an early season run-away...like this one.

You know, dude, little dick bug fuckers -like you- ALWAYS like to take jabs. Well, here's my jab...you ignorant little bitch: how much skin do you have in this game? how much do you put in on a privateer or an up-n-comer?

To be clear, you ass hole: what the fuck do you do other than bitch ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Since you threw shit in my direction, I invite you to GFY & EABOBOD.

Have a nice day you whinny little dicked bug fucker.

A note: waaaay too many of you just bitch, whine and moan ALL the damn time. It gets old. As do you, Zracer.
To anyone-else I've offended, other than lil-dick Znonracer, I apologize.
Ill give you an 8 out of 10 for that one. Profanity was a little excessive.
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2/23/2016 6:41pm
Mit12 wrote:
Supercross is not a team sport. Riders line up against the same riders every race and the one with the most points at the end of...
Supercross is not a team sport. Riders line up against the same riders every race and the one with the most points at the end of the year wins. Football, Baseball teams do not play every team during the year thus a play off is needed to get the devisions to play brought down to one from each side.

This chase format is not about the championship, the riders or manufactures. It is 100% about TV ratings and money for FELD! FELD is willing to ruin the sport with a championship that is fixed. I do not care how you try and spin it a chase format is fixing the outcome of the championship.

DPR250R wrote:
Name one sport that continues after the championship is decided.

Does that make any sense?
There is a battle in points for the other positions until the seson ends. This is a sport individuals not teams. Each individual has 17 races to finish as high as he can get in the championship.
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2/23/2016 6:48pm
they better never try this shit for outdoors
2/23/2016 6:49pm
TeamGreen wrote:
So, for those of you constantly complaining about how "boring" it is when the title is virtually decided in March-April... What's the down-side of having a...
So, for those of you constantly complaining about how "boring" it is when the title is virtually decided in March-April...

What's the down-side of having a "reset" with let's say...6 races to go?
Oh, and what if that reset gives everyone in the top ten (or within a certain amount of points from the leader) a chance at the title?

Let the ranting begin!
Zracer wrote:
Here is the downside . It makes the championship a joke . Last years Nascar champ missed 1/3 of the season . Its pathetic. Its not...
Here is the downside . It makes the championship a joke . Last years Nascar champ missed 1/3 of the season . Its pathetic. Its not racing. Its reality tv bs. Not at all suprised that Team Green doesnt get that.
This is the truth. Whether or not it's entertaining is beside the point.

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Maybe it's April 1st in Canada.
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B-EVANS wrote:
So next year let 's say Dungey kills it first 10 rounds and has a 75 point lead. Say Tomac crashes out of one of the...
So next year let 's say Dungey kills it first 10 rounds and has a 75 point lead. Say Tomac crashes out of one of the first rounds, misses a couple, but makes it into the Chase. Then they reset the points and Dungey still kills it but has 1 bad race with a crash or mechanical, while Tomac wins 1 race, hovers around the podium, and wins the championship by 2 points. (Change the names to suit yourself). How is it fair to call him the champ? Also, I don't think points for qualifier races makes any sense, but I would like to see the get a nice cash reward for that stuff. And if you have to spend an hour trying to explain the format to a casual observer, like Arenacross, then it's probably gimmicked up to much
I kinda agree with your last line, but on the other hand, the chase is a pretty familiar concept to motorsports fans now.

I'm not gonna say it's my favourite idea, but something needs to change in SX. It's pretty fucking stale.
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2/23/2016 6:58pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Wow Soooo glad the little dick club wants to get personal... Here is what I get, Princess: 1. It might let someone that gets injured early...
Wow

Soooo glad the little dick club wants to get personal...

Here is what I get, Princess:

1. It might let someone that gets injured early or in the pre-season have a shot at it.
Examples: Andrew or Trey
2. It might make it interesting or...might even cause a 250 rider to stay on a 450...
3. It makes the season "intriguing" again after an early season run-away...like this one.

You know, dude, little dick bug fuckers -like you- ALWAYS like to take jabs. Well, here's my jab...you ignorant little bitch: how much skin do you have in this game? how much do you put in on a privateer or an up-n-comer?

To be clear, you ass hole: what the fuck do you do other than bitch ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Since you threw shit in my direction, I invite you to GFY & EABOBOD.

Have a nice day you whinny little dicked bug fucker.

A note: waaaay too many of you just bitch, whine and moan ALL the damn time. It gets old. As do you, Zracer.
To anyone-else I've offended, other than lil-dick Znonracer, I apologize.
sostoked wrote:
Ill give you an 8 out of 10 for that one. Profanity was a little excessive.
Well then, I apologize...again.

It's just that some of these guys jus' act like a little whimsy whiny...well...you know?

Seriously, while I meant what I said, I am sorry if I offend.

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Mit12 wrote:
There is a battle in points for the other positions until the seson ends. This is a sport individuals not teams. Each individual has 17 races...
There is a battle in points for the other positions until the seson ends. This is a sport individuals not teams. Each individual has 17 races to finish as high as he can get in the championship.
So... You go nuts routing for someone to finish 3rd or 4th after the championship is over?

It's honestly great if you do. I just can't.
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Crush wrote:
I kinda agree with your last line, but on the other hand, the chase is a pretty familiar concept to motorsports fans now. I'm not gonna...
I kinda agree with your last line, but on the other hand, the chase is a pretty familiar concept to motorsports fans now.

I'm not gonna say it's my favourite idea, but something needs to change in SX. It's pretty fucking stale.
If an Aussie says shit needs to change... we better fuckin listen up!
2/23/2016 7:02pm
Mit12 wrote:
Supercross is not a team sport. Riders line up against the same riders every race and the one with the most points at the end of...
Supercross is not a team sport. Riders line up against the same riders every race and the one with the most points at the end of the year wins. Football, Baseball teams do not play every team during the year thus a play off is needed to get the devisions to play brought down to one from each side.

This chase format is not about the championship, the riders or manufactures. It is 100% about TV ratings and money for FELD! FELD is willing to ruin the sport with a championship that is fixed. I do not care how you try and spin it a chase format is fixing the outcome of the championship.

DPR250R wrote:
Name one sport that continues after the championship is decided.

Does that make any sense?
Mit12 wrote:
There is a battle in points for the other positions until the seson ends. This is a sport individuals not teams. Each individual has 17 races...
There is a battle in points for the other positions until the seson ends. This is a sport individuals not teams. Each individual has 17 races to finish as high as he can get in the championship.
I get it they want every round to have "meaning" and excitement. And yes the chase may give us a round or two more that anyone has a chance. But let's be realistic this won't magically make anyone faster, the same 1-2 maybe 3 will be competing and by the time they get to Vegas the "champ" will have to cruise around in 15th to win the title.

I'm good with change even would encourage it in supercross. But this change seems arbitrary and simply change for the sake of change. As shown earlier in this thread this wouldn't have changed the last 10 or something title holders only 2-5 finishing. I mean this year Dungey and roczen as of right now are the only two in it baring injury. So we reset the points after round 10 and the top 10 now have a chance, again baring injury Dungey and Roczen are the only ones with a chance, and Dungey has the advantage just like now cause A)he's faster Cool he's more consistent.
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Gotta swap the suits in the booth, Ralph & Jeff don't have the thick southern accent to pull off the word "chase".

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Brosho wrote:
One would think with how often the top guys get hurt during the season, everyone would agree to count only 14 of the 17 races. Allow...
One would think with how often the top guys get hurt during the season, everyone would agree to count only 14 of the 17 races. Allow the riders to drop 3 races, their worse 3 race finishes or DNF or DNS. So they could still have a chance at the championship.

Suppose a rider gets injured on the day after a race, that rider could miss 3 races giving him 4 weeks off of actual healing time. Most broken bones take about 4 weeks to heal. He could then come back and still be in the championship hunt because he knows everyone else must also drop 3 of their races points.

It would be great for the fans also because a lot more of the riders will still be in the points hunt for the championship, and most likely will race harder knowing so.

If a rider win all 17 races, then great, he will still win the championship if only 14 of those 17 races points are scored. To many riders get injured early in the season and their season is shot.
^^^ This actually was the case in the early GP's up until sometime mid 70's to account for how unreliable the machines were and allow everyone a couple mulligan DNF's. Unfortunately, today injury to the rider is what can be counted on more than mechanical failure. It's worth considering whether this pretty unique and regrettable and to some extent inevitable feature of our sport can be accounted for in a way that doesn't as harshly prejudice a guy who gets caught up in something. For all the making-your-own-luck reality some folks need to own in this sport, the fact is that the sport predictably injures guys who didn't make the mess but were in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's a crap shoot element of the sport that can't fully be eliminated, but it can be accounted for in the way a series balances how it will count points to determine a championship, and how it manages that to enhance competitive interest in the racing.

For sure there's no perfect solution, but when guys are hurt early they are essentially out of it. An extreme example of what happens played out when they had the 250 and 500 national seasons only six rounds a piece. The consequences of someone having a bad moto was to make the championships over really early, and that just changes things in terms of how the rest of the guys go to the line.

No doubt there is a trade off with leaving a total season points championship. It's different for sure. But it still is a championship that has to be won, and more guys with a chance to make it happen. It's worth a shot to see what sort of racing that produces throughout the entire season.

Personally, I like to see them go to two 10 lap 450 mains to throw more points up in the air, but that doesn't address the issue with losing riders to injury early.
2/23/2016 7:21pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Wow Soooo glad the little dick club wants to get personal... Here is what I get, Princess: 1. It might let someone that gets injured early...
Wow

Soooo glad the little dick club wants to get personal...

Here is what I get, Princess:

1. It might let someone that gets injured early or in the pre-season have a shot at it.
Examples: Andrew or Trey
2. It might make it interesting or...might even cause a 250 rider to stay on a 450...
3. It makes the season "intriguing" again after an early season run-away...like this one.

You know, dude, little dick bug fuckers -like you- ALWAYS like to take jabs. Well, here's my jab...you ignorant little bitch: how much skin do you have in this game? how much do you put in on a privateer or an up-n-comer?

To be clear, you ass hole: what the fuck do you do other than bitch ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Since you threw shit in my direction, I invite you to GFY & EABOBOD.

Have a nice day you whinny little dicked bug fucker.

A note: waaaay too many of you just bitch, whine and moan ALL the damn time. It gets old. As do you, Zracer.
To anyone-else I've offended, other than lil-dick Znonracer, I apologize.
sostoked wrote:
Ill give you an 8 out of 10 for that one. Profanity was a little excessive.
TeamGreen wrote:
Well then, I apologize...again. It's just that some of these guys jus' act like a little whimsy whiny...well...you know? Seriously, while I meant what I said...
Well then, I apologize...again.

It's just that some of these guys jus' act like a little whimsy whiny...well...you know?

Seriously, while I meant what I said, I am sorry if I offend.

Manny
I'm on my phone and quoted you originally so not sure if I was a target of the rant. But I take no offense. I agree change is good and much needed in this sport. I'm just not convinced this is it. I don't have all the details and I'm sure you have more info than I. And you haven't given much reason to doubt your insight. I just feel that the same 1-3 guys will be fast and win the chase rounds and baring injury nothing changes with maybe the addition of one competitive round in the chase format. I think like with most sports there needs to be more point scoring opportunities. Other sports have one game or one race with multiple ways to score, 450 class has 6 races a night and only one gets points. I also think holeshot points should go out. Think a couple years back Alessi was 6-7 in points but nailing every holeshot heat and main. He could have jumped in points significantly, or short last year. and there is alway a heat race ace every year, to the guys that say it would be the same top 5 as the main, maybe maybe not since heats are determined by qualifying times and guys are split up. maybe these changes will be part of this chase format if so cool, I just still think we should implement these changes in stages and not jump straight to the chase see if added avenues to gain points change it up, save the big boy chase system for later if other changes haven't worked. It seems the ultimate goal isn't a "playoff" but competitive meaningful racing for the entire season, if so that can be accomplished through manipulating how many and when points are disbursed.
2/23/2016 7:22pm
Points chases are lame as fuck. Let them earn what they learn. Develop the tracks, the bikes, the racing format and the other things that could help make for a better show and more competitive season.
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2/23/2016 7:23pm
Hate the idea. Every race counts equally.

They should be concentrating on how to get more value for the consumer of each race. Let's start with longer main events.
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2/23/2016 7:32pm
I'll stop watching if this happens.
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want better racing, shit can 450's make the 250 the elite class and a 167cc 2 stroke support class.
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731chopper wrote:
Wikipedia definitions don't hold much weight. Again, playoffs are necessary in team sports where they aren't all playing each other every week. A post season playoff...
Wikipedia definitions don't hold much weight.

Again, playoffs are necessary in team sports where they aren't all playing each other every week. A post season playoff in our sport would be better executed by taking the champions of supercross and motocross and having them race each other in a race that combined both disciplines. But I guess that what the Monster Energy Cup is already suppose to be?

I'm not trying to argue just trying to understand the idea of a chase in racing.
Obviously it's unique because they do race each other every week compared to only two teams playing each other at a time with traditional sports. Supercross is a sport in our eyes, but entertainment to Feld. It's more entertaining to have a title possibly come down to the wire than be wrapped up 2 races early.

I'm just happy for the sake of change, and will be happy to see if anything changes for riders to have to race their way into the chase. We can always go back if it's a disaster.
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2/23/2016 7:40pm
So round 7, where the fast dudes already made it, aren't even gonna show up, and possibly get hurt!
2/23/2016 8:01pm
endurox wrote:
want better racing, shit can 450's make the 250 the elite class and a 167cc 2 stroke support class.
I hate to break you the bad news, but 2 strokes are not coming back to the forefront of professional racing any time soon.


2/23/2016 8:09pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2016 8:10pm
kiwifan wrote:
You have gone completely off topic, but to humor you... Equal displacement for 2 strokes and 4 strokes will never happen and not just because of...
You have gone completely off topic, but to humor you...

Equal displacement for 2 strokes and 4 strokes will never happen and not just because of Honda (clearly your favorite brand eh?).

You do realize that other manufacturers make 4 strokes as well dont you? Do you SERIOUSLY think they want to stop producing them (which they will as equal displacements would favor the 2 strokes at top racer level) given the amount of money they get in parts for 4 strokes? It doesn't matter that they make 2 strokes as well, they make more money out of 4 strokes than 2 strokes...its called economics, look it up some time.
Well, since I assume the chase nonsense is supposed to add "excitement ", then I propose that equal displacement racing would be an even better way to add "excitement". I didn't realize that opinions had to follow strict parameters before they could be given. Any manufacturer that opposes equal displacement racing isn't interested in the health of the sport. Also, fuck honda, fuck four strokes, etc.
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I'm not into it but I also get bored with SX so maybe it's needed..
I was thinking reading this, what if we split the SX season in two and have two lesser important titles (first half champ and second half champ) but also have a grand champion who has the most points out of the two.. The advantage being riders can choose to only run one or the other (cheaper for some teams)
I'm not sure any of this would work haha and on a year like this maybe Dungey would win all three and make mockery of the whole situation haha I dunno shut up
2/23/2016 8:19pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2016 8:20pm
I hate to break you the bad news, but 2 strokes are not coming back to the forefront of professional racing any time soon.


Think about the events that led us to the 4t "revolution" for a minute: the ama not only had to give 4t's a double displacement advantage to equal the 2t, some manufacturers had to threaten to quit the series if 2t's were allowed to compete on equal footing . The tracks were made way less rough to accommodate the "better performing" new 4t superbikes lol. When some of us bitch about two strokes, it's because the racing was better and the economics of the sport were better off before 4t ruined it, regardless of how awesome the TV coverage is.

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