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ATKpilot99 2/24/2016 5:05am
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If it's not some convoluted bullshit elimination round mess like Nascar runs now I guess it might be ok.
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chase = mickey-mouse series
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FLmxer 2/24/2016 5:47am
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This is like the school system failed so they make the tests easier instead of better teaching. They should reset the grades each quarter for the slackers. Oh they will. Everyone gets a trophy, it's the people who worked hard and got somewhere in life's fault that the person who didn't work hard didn't and that's not fair... Anymore. This is the merica way now. Lol

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I'm not a fan. The early races wont be that important. There is a risk that the top riders wont take any risks at all just to be healthy until the points reset.
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I think many posters may be discounting the fact that when these guys line up on the gate they're not thinking about the format. They all want to win, every night, or get the best finish they can. Ultimately they are all still competing for their next ride, or next paycheck or contract, and don't want to leave anything out there. I don't think there will be any noticeable drop off in the level of intensity on the race track. Pride is a major motivating factor for anybody who is competing as a professional.
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This is about as disappointed as I've been in Supercross since they coined the term, "Lites".
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How about knock 3 races off the schedule (one round per venue), and instead of decreasing the points gap between 1st and 2nd, you increase the points differential to about 5 + add a point for each heat race win. Then, for example, you get someone like Roczen who's had a rough start to the season, he has the ability to go on a hot streak to close up the gap. Think about it, 5 point gap 1st to 2nd, 4 wins in a row and they're evened up. That will increase the desire to win, at least IMO there will be more desire during the whole season vs. the points reset. But what do I know.
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I'm not a fan of this idea, heck I don't even like the drop race rule in the amateur classes I run even though I don't make all the races anyways. But, I love supercross and want to see it grow, so lets try it and see how it goes. Believe me though I will be watching overall ratings, viewings, and crowd sizes closely.
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jmx411 2/24/2016 6:21am
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Motofinne wrote:
I'm not a fan. The early races wont be that important. There is a risk that the top riders wont take any risks at all just...
I'm not a fan. The early races wont be that important. There is a risk that the top riders wont take any risks at all just to be healthy until the points reset.
If a rider is sitting in a top 5 position why risk it to win? The early races will be snoozers.

Unless winners automatically have a spot in the chase then it could make some guys go after it.
wired4speed 2/24/2016 6:30am
2/24/2016 6:30am
For entertainment purposes it's a great idea....wrapping up a title on the last day of racing is a beautiful marketing gimmick. Or, a tire compound rule and EFI rule would tighten up the field while allowing the best riders to still do what they do best.... Win races and championships. Personally, I don't like a chase format but then again I hate track banners.
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Ozzy 2/24/2016 6:50am
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If I understand it, this changes everything.
Maybe a name change is too?
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The thing about MX and SX that I have always been uniquely proud of is that there are no play offs, or second chances. In order to win a championship, you have to be there EVERY week end. And this is the truest test of all. The work by the team to ensure the machine is right and won't fail, the work by the other support staff to ensure everything else is executed to ensure success, and finally the work by the rider-to be prepared, to be there every week end, to avoid catastrophe...and mix in a bit of good fortune...this is what it takes to win a #1 plate.

I will be sad to see that go if this is indeed true. I understand the "run away" argument, but I say revel in the excellence of a Dungey, RV, RC, JS et al. I bet this championship will end up closer than we think. Kenny is stepping up and others will too-they have no choice. They have to.

I'm cool with change, except when it degrades or lowers the bar of an institution or pursuit.
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Motofinne wrote:
I'm not a fan. The early races wont be that important. There is a risk that the top riders wont take any risks at all just...
I'm not a fan. The early races wont be that important. There is a risk that the top riders wont take any risks at all just to be healthy until the points reset.
jmx411 wrote:
If a rider is sitting in a top 5 position why risk it to win? The early races will be snoozers. Unless winners automatically have a...
If a rider is sitting in a top 5 position why risk it to win? The early races will be snoozers.

Unless winners automatically have a spot in the chase then it could make some guys go after it.
This is exactly what i'm saying. There is a big risk that the early races are just pure shit.

The great thing with motorsports is that every race and every point counts. That is the beauty with it. That will be gone if they use a chase system.
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burnside 2/24/2016 7:13am
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I don't even know what the Chase format is! haha
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Starcrossed wrote:
I think many posters may be discounting the fact that when these guys line up on the gate they're not thinking about the format. They all...
I think many posters may be discounting the fact that when these guys line up on the gate they're not thinking about the format. They all want to win, every night, or get the best finish they can. Ultimately they are all still competing for their next ride, or next paycheck or contract, and don't want to leave anything out there. I don't think there will be any noticeable drop off in the level of intensity on the race track. Pride is a major motivating factor for anybody who is competing as a professional.
You're naive if you think the riders won't be thinking about the format. The ultimate goal is the title, and so strategy WILL be used by the teams to win the title.

This is a stupid idea and anyone who likes it isn't a real fan of racing.
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downard254 wrote:
How about knock 3 races off the schedule (one round per venue), and instead of decreasing the points gap between 1st and 2nd, you increase the...
How about knock 3 races off the schedule (one round per venue), and instead of decreasing the points gap between 1st and 2nd, you increase the points differential to about 5 + add a point for each heat race win. Then, for example, you get someone like Roczen who's had a rough start to the season, he has the ability to go on a hot streak to close up the gap. Think about it, 5 point gap 1st to 2nd, 4 wins in a row and they're evened up. That will increase the desire to win, at least IMO there will be more desire during the whole season vs. the points reset. But what do I know.
But if there was a 5 point advantage for 1st the Dung would have an even bigger lead.

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Worst news I have heard in awhile. Knew it was coming though. Matthes has been talking about making this series Micky Mouse for awhile. Just don't touch my Motocross series.
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Motofinne 2/24/2016 7:39am
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The funny thing about this is if the riders complain Feld will just tell them to F off. Why? Because there is no riders union.
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Matt Wozney 2/24/2016 7:41am
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Add the chase format and add additional special season bonuses and payout into the mix. It made AX way exciting last year down to the final main event. A SX playoff sounds awesome.
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UpTiTe 2/24/2016 7:47am
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TeamGreen wrote:
So, for those of you constantly complaining about how "boring" it is when the title is virtually decided in March-April... What's the down-side of having a...
So, for those of you constantly complaining about how "boring" it is when the title is virtually decided in March-April...

What's the down-side of having a "reset" with let's say...6 races to go?
Oh, and what if that reset gives everyone in the top ten (or within a certain amount of points from the leader) a chance at the title?

Let the ranting begin!
Just make it a six race series then.

I mean seriously, whats the point of 18 races then? The whole point is seeing who is the toughest, strongest and fastest over a long series. Now its just a meaningless money grab for 12 rounds, followed a six round demolition Derby.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Wow Soooo glad the little dick club wants to get personal... Here is what I get, Princess: 1. It might let someone that gets injured early...
Wow

Soooo glad the little dick club wants to get personal...

Here is what I get, Princess:

1. It might let someone that gets injured early or in the pre-season have a shot at it.
Examples: Andrew or Trey
2. It might make it interesting or...might even cause a 250 rider to stay on a 450...
3. It makes the season "intriguing" again after an early season run-away...like this one.

You know, dude, little dick bug fuckers -like you- ALWAYS like to take jabs. Well, here's my jab...you ignorant little bitch: how much skin do you have in this game? how much do you put in on a privateer or an up-n-comer?

To be clear, you ass hole: what the fuck do you do other than bitch ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Since you threw shit in my direction, I invite you to GFY & EABOBOD.

Have a nice day you whinny little dicked bug fucker.

A note: waaaay too many of you just bitch, whine and moan ALL the damn time. It gets old. As do you, Zracer.
To anyone-else I've offended, other than lil-dick Znonracer, I apologize.
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Starcrossed wrote:
I think many posters may be discounting the fact that when these guys line up on the gate they're not thinking about the format. They all...
I think many posters may be discounting the fact that when these guys line up on the gate they're not thinking about the format. They all want to win, every night, or get the best finish they can. Ultimately they are all still competing for their next ride, or next paycheck or contract, and don't want to leave anything out there. I don't think there will be any noticeable drop off in the level of intensity on the race track. Pride is a major motivating factor for anybody who is competing as a professional.
So what's the point in changing anything then?
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I'm a traditionalist, I like the fact that, whether it's a runaway or it goes down to the last race, the guy who wins the title has been the best guy over the entire season. Having said that, I wouldn't actually mind a chase format as long it's done correctly. We don't want a chase format where the points a completely reset after 10 rounds and everyone is equal, otherwise the first 10 races were completely pointless. In my opinion they should employ the format that they have used with quite a large amount of success in the British Superbike Championship over the last few years. In that system, everytime you get on the podium you score podium points. 3 for a win, 2 for second and 1 for third. These points are then added to the riders total after the points reset for the chase format. This means that the guys that have been winning the races and getting podiums consistently in the early start of the season will still be rewarded and have some advantage.
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Leo313 wrote:
This is some Bernie sanders bullshit! Everyone can win!
Honestly I don't understand why people want to level the chances of the best person winning.
Socialism at it finest. At least endurocross won't be going to this lame left turn only format. Now is the time to start a new series.
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Not a fan.

Money rules, and either:

1) they want more of it.
or
2) they need more of it.
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TeamGreen wrote:
So, for those of you constantly complaining about how "boring" it is when the title is virtually decided in March-April... What's the down-side of having a...
So, for those of you constantly complaining about how "boring" it is when the title is virtually decided in March-April...

What's the down-side of having a "reset" with let's say...6 races to go?
Oh, and what if that reset gives everyone in the top ten (or within a certain amount of points from the leader) a chance at the title?

Let the ranting begin!
Not ranting here. Just responding to your question. Also, I don't agree it is boring if the title is virtually decided in March - April. I enjoy the races individually as much as for the championship ramifications. The chase format to me is a gimmick designed to generate false excitement at the expense of the real purpose of having a series champion. In reality a six race chase has the effect of minimizing the effort put into the preceding 11 races. It also would effectively interject into the championship many of the short comings found in the current shortened east/west series.

Let's look at a 6 race chase. In this case 1 DNF would virtually eliminate championship potential even if the rider won the remaining 5 races. It would look kind of silly to declare a series champion with only 2nd and 3rd places finishes over a rider with 1 DNF (due to a take out by lapped traffic) and 5 wins.

I have no problem with awarding points for things like heat wins, fastest qualifier, etc. but, I would just rather accept the fact that some years will have standout riders that win early in the series and other years that will be close down to the finals. Let's just accept the series champion as exactly what it is, the best rider over the length of the series.
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MR. X 2/24/2016 8:38am
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I guess it's a big no no to be dominant in your career or hobby. I'm gonna have a hard time teaching my son that as he gets older. " now son, do a good job but not too good or you'll upset people"

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