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What I found entertaining is how the Goat and The Screamer in the booth had no clue how many laps they were going to run after...

What I found entertaining is how the Goat and The Screamer in the booth had no clue how many laps they were going to run after the restart lol.

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“The Screamer”?  Yeah, I’ve definitely noticed more fake excitement from him.  But his commentary might be geared more towards the casual fan that doesn’t really know...

“The Screamer”?  Yeah, I’ve definitely noticed more fake excitement from him.  

But his commentary might be geared more towards the casual fan that doesn’t really know that the blue bike rider is not nearly close enough to actually pass the red bike rider. 

I remarked on this before - it seems apparent that there's a push from the sports networks to adopt the Spanish soccer commentator style of broadcating...

I remarked on this before - it seems apparent that there's a push from the sports networks to adopt the Spanish soccer commentator style of broadcating the last few years. It's really become common in CFB where guys that never had that style just go berserk on the most mundane plays.

Makes it difficult to listen to the nonsense - reminds me of the Low IQ car commercials.

…and once you notice the “fake hype” it’s difficult to…not notice the fake hype. 

That said, I enjoyed the real excitement. Hard to believe 3 elite 450 riders are out. 

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When did the AMA change the red flag rule to what it is today?  Was this implemented for the start 2025 season?Why did AMA feel a...

When did the AMA change the red flag rule to what it is today?  Was this implemented for the start 2025 season?

Why did AMA feel a need to change it?  Seems like most everyone had in their minds the race would be called complete if 90% of the time had expired.

Before the 2024 season according to Weege on the weege show.

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stephon wrote:
“The Screamer”?  Yeah, I’ve definitely noticed more fake excitement from him.  But his commentary might be geared more towards the casual fan that doesn’t really know...

“The Screamer”?  Yeah, I’ve definitely noticed more fake excitement from him.  

But his commentary might be geared more towards the casual fan that doesn’t really know that the blue bike rider is not nearly close enough to actually pass the red bike rider. 

I remarked on this before - it seems apparent that there's a push from the sports networks to adopt the Spanish soccer commentator style of broadcating...

I remarked on this before - it seems apparent that there's a push from the sports networks to adopt the Spanish soccer commentator style of broadcating the last few years. It's really become common in CFB where guys that never had that style just go berserk on the most mundane plays.

Makes it difficult to listen to the nonsense - reminds me of the Low IQ car commercials.

stephon wrote:
…and once you notice the “fake hype” it’s difficult to…not notice the fake hype. That said, I enjoyed the real excitement. Hard to believe 3 elite 450...

…and once you notice the “fake hype” it’s difficult to…not notice the fake hype. 

That said, I enjoyed the real excitement. Hard to believe 3 elite 450 riders are out. 

The racing is good. The contrived drama? Not so much.

I wish he'd pay more attention to what's going on on the track - he constantly seems to be surprised by something that's obvious if you just glance at timing/scoring once in a while. 

Oh well, at least we have the ladies doing the human interest stories to keep my attention. 😄

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The staggered start is bullshit when someone like Anstie had a 7 sec lead before the red flag.      Gaps need to be taken into account for at LEAST the front runners of a race.

Dude was flat out robbed.

 

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Anstie deserved this W through and through but I’m part of the crowd I’m surprised it even took them that long to throw the red, they should’ve waved it with a minute left on the clock at least. In my head that makes it feel less like Anstie got robbed and more just supercross is unpredictable but nah, Levi had nothing for Max, even when Max the was the first to hit clusters of lappers

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Max did get screwed, but that’s the rule. That’s the way she goes. Nobody wanted that outcome, but there’s nothing the AMA could have done differently. 

I'm all for riders safety! But Mcadoo crashed, multiple laps went by where they could have thrown the red flag, riders on the track knew a rider was down, throw some tuff blocks down, 2 more mins the official race would have been over.

 

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2/16/2025 3:15am Edited Date/Time 2/16/2025 3:16am

IMO (aside from the shitty red flag rulechange), Max going outside in the sand turn is what screwed his race win.

Levi had the sand turn inside line super-dialed the whole night.

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Yes, well those are the rules. Bullshit, utter bullshit. It doesn't matter if these are the rules, they are bad rules. Races are pretty simple throw the flag and whoever covers the most ground in the least amount of time is the winner, and no matter who got the checkered flag first last night, that was Max. Like Weege spit screaming and hyperventilating gasps on air this is another rule is another attempt to inject excitement into something we already find exciting. What a shit show. 

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I bet the guy who changed the rule for a staggered restart, from 90% of race completion, to time remaining, is the same guy who wrote stupid rules to harm the 2 strokes back in the day.

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Mike Pelletier attempts to clarify the rule and the 90% vs the time remaining-all well and good. EXCEPT, he does NOT tell us why or who made the decision to throw the read flag with 7 fucking seconds left on the clock when Macadoo had been down for several minutes already, so this whole rider safety thing is a crock of shit. I want to know who made the decision to throw the red flag with 7 seconds on the clock. They have radios don't they? So who the fuck decided this, and cost Anstie the win, a pile of cash, and also put the top 3 riders in danger with a 3 lap sprint to win a race that was already decided with Anstie cruising it in for the win? Instead they have to go balls to the wall with a sprint to the finish. What if two of the three get into it and crash themselves out of the series? Such a stupid fucking decision from every angle.

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2/16/2025 5:33am Edited Date/Time 2/16/2025 5:37am

Bummed for Max.  I’m sure it sucks.  But I don’t think this is the first time the rules didn’t work out for someone.  In the past the AMA race direction got grilled for not following or mis-interpreting the rules.  They do seem to be standing by what the rule book specifically says.  As I started out saying, I’m bummed for Max, he had that race.  But Levi stepped up on the restart with tenacity and the speed to get it done.  I guess the big question is whether or not to apply the rule book to the letter or throw it out.  I’m fine with following the rule book provided that it’s followed to the letter and to ALL participants with no exceptions. I don’t know what medical decision made race direction decide to throw that red flag when they did, but Cameron didn’t look too good when they were getting him off the track.  Personally, it looked to me like the flag should have been thrown well before the time it did. Hell, I don’t know, I wasn’t there and I’m not in charge, but for me the riders safety should always be first and foremost, they are getting destroyed out there as it is. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
Yes, well those are the rules. Bullshit, utter bullshit. It doesn't matter if these are the rules, they are bad rules. Races are pretty simple throw...

Yes, well those are the rules. Bullshit, utter bullshit. It doesn't matter if these are the rules, they are bad rules. Races are pretty simple throw the flag and whoever covers the most ground in the least amount of time is the winner, and no matter who got the checkered flag first last night, that was Max. Like Weege spit screaming and hyperventilating gasps on air this is another rule is another attempt to inject excitement into something we already find exciting. What a shit show. 

Honestly, who is making the decisions at the AMA?  They need to clean house on that side.

And who had a bet down with the outcome of this race?

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mx691 wrote:
IMO (aside from the shitty red flag rulechange), Max going outside in the sand turn is what screwed his race win.Levi had the sand turn inside...

IMO (aside from the shitty red flag rulechange), Max going outside in the sand turn is what screwed his race win.

Levi had the sand turn inside line super-dialed the whole night.

Anstie 6-7 second lead when the red flag was thrown.... sand section dialed or not, Levi was beaten and could not reel Anstie in.

Stagger needs to changed to the gaps when it was thrown....at least for the top 10 on the track.   This would not be hard to do. 

 

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Spoonguy wrote:
Yes, well those are the rules. Bullshit, utter bullshit. It doesn't matter if these are the rules, they are bad rules. Races are pretty simple throw...

Yes, well those are the rules. Bullshit, utter bullshit. It doesn't matter if these are the rules, they are bad rules. Races are pretty simple throw the flag and whoever covers the most ground in the least amount of time is the winner, and no matter who got the checkered flag first last night, that was Max. Like Weege spit screaming and hyperventilating gasps on air this is another rule is another attempt to inject excitement into something we already find exciting. What a shit show. 

Honestly, who is making the decisions at the AMA?  They need to clean house on that side.And who had a bet down with the outcome of...

Honestly, who is making the decisions at the AMA?  They need to clean house on that side.

And who had a bet down with the outcome of this race?

Never even thought about the gambling side of things now, suspicious as hell.

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I posted this on another thread, but it probably belongs here.

The rules are the rules, for now, as far as restart.  The MAJOR problem I have is they let the race go on for a full 2 minutes, McAdoo went down with 2+05 left in the race, and then 7 seconds was so critical to the care of the downed rider.  They never used the Red Cross flag but went straight to the red flag as they started waiving the Red Cross flag…..AFTER 2 minutes….without waiting SEVEN seconds while they could have waived the Red Cross flag…which froze the clock while riders still raced till they GOT the red flag.  So…either red flag sooner, or use the Red Cross flag for 7 seconds.  They weren’t even waiving the yellow flag when Max went through the whoops and passes McAdoo with 45 seconds left.  Could the AMA have fucked that up worse???

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philG wrote:

Utter fucking rubbish. 

Shameful.

I hope Max went back to the truck and took the $1000 fine.

burn1986 wrote:
Yep 100%. There’s no reason they couldn’t have waited 7 seconds. All MacAdoo did was hit the handlebars (not good, but not life threatening). Nothing wrong with...

Yep 100%. There’s no reason they couldn’t have waited 7 seconds. All MacAdoo did was hit the handlebars (not good, but not life threatening). 

Nothing wrong with Levi winning it. He just took advantage of the AMAs extremely poor judgement.

How could they tell it wasn't life threatening sitting on the track with bikes flying around them? Better to be safe than sorry. If McAdoo dies on the track or a track worker gets hit by someone coming through that would have been the tragedy. 

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2/16/2025 10:43am Edited Date/Time 2/16/2025 10:50am
philG wrote:

Utter fucking rubbish. 

Shameful.

I hope Max went back to the truck and took the $1000 fine.

burn1986 wrote:
Yep 100%. There’s no reason they couldn’t have waited 7 seconds. All MacAdoo did was hit the handlebars (not good, but not life threatening). Nothing wrong with...

Yep 100%. There’s no reason they couldn’t have waited 7 seconds. All MacAdoo did was hit the handlebars (not good, but not life threatening). 

Nothing wrong with Levi winning it. He just took advantage of the AMAs extremely poor judgement.

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How could they tell it wasn't life threatening sitting on the track with bikes flying around them? Better to be safe than sorry. If McAdoo dies...

How could they tell it wasn't life threatening sitting on the track with bikes flying around them? Better to be safe than sorry. If McAdoo dies on the track or a track worker gets hit by someone coming through that would have been the tragedy. 

Then they probably get sued for the FULL 2 FUCKING MINUTES they waited to red flag the race….and weren’t even waiving the yellow flag in that section for most of that 2 minutes.

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Wait ! What the AMA following their own rule book !🤔

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2/16/2025 11:31am Edited Date/Time 2/16/2025 11:43am
moto67e wrote:
How could they tell it wasn't life threatening sitting on the track with bikes flying around them? Better to be safe than sorry. If McAdoo dies...

How could they tell it wasn't life threatening sitting on the track with bikes flying around them? Better to be safe than sorry. If McAdoo dies on the track or a track worker gets hit by someone coming through that would have been the tragedy. 

Um, because he started moving and they had him sitting up and moving around 🙄. They obviously determined that it wasn’t bad enough for a backboard or stretcher (someone said they should’ve used one anyway, and I agree). You’re right that they should’ve taken more time to diagnose him correctly and not rush it. But he was at a part of the track that wasn’t a threat to people running over him so they had a fairly safe area. At any rate, they should have allowed another seven seconds. Then they could’ve red flagged the race, and given more attention to MacAdoo, without really worrying about rushing him off. 

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Worst call I’ve ever seen but dam did it get me back on the edge of my seat.  What do y’all say.  Full restart every week with one lap to go?

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moto67e wrote:
How could they tell it wasn't life threatening sitting on the track with bikes flying around them? Better to be safe than sorry. If McAdoo dies...

How could they tell it wasn't life threatening sitting on the track with bikes flying around them? Better to be safe than sorry. If McAdoo dies on the track or a track worker gets hit by someone coming through that would have been the tragedy. 

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Um, because he started moving and they had him sitting up and moving around 🙄. They obviously determined that it wasn’t bad enough for a backboard...

Um, because he started moving and they had him sitting up and moving around 🙄. They obviously determined that it wasn’t bad enough for a backboard or stretcher (someone said they should’ve used one anyway, and I agree). You’re right that they should’ve taken more time to diagnose him correctly and not rush it. But he was at a part of the track that wasn’t a threat to people running over him so they had a fairly safe area. At any rate, they should have allowed another seven seconds. Then they could’ve red flagged the race, and given more attention to MacAdoo, without really worrying about rushing him off. 

Right, because nobody could possibly have gotten out of shape in the whoops and ended up landing on them…. 

The red flag was necessary, only 1-2 minutes sooner than they flew it.

Sucks for Max, but like DV said, Max went defensive and that cost him the race.


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Right, because nobody could possibly have gotten out of shape in the whoops and ended up landing on them…. The red flag was necessary, only 1-2 minutes...

Right, because nobody could possibly have gotten out of shape in the whoops and ended up landing on them…. 

The red flag was necessary, only 1-2 minutes sooner than they flew it.

Sucks for Max, but like DV said, Max went defensive and that cost him the race.


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What cost Max the race was having his 6-7 second lead taken away through no fault of his own.     Levi was BEATEN. 

Red flags are necessary.    Staggering a restart as it is done now needs to be done away with.    Give them back their space intervals. 

 

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moto67e wrote:
How could they tell it wasn't life threatening sitting on the track with bikes flying around them? Better to be safe than sorry. If McAdoo dies...

How could they tell it wasn't life threatening sitting on the track with bikes flying around them? Better to be safe than sorry. If McAdoo dies on the track or a track worker gets hit by someone coming through that would have been the tragedy. 

burn1986 wrote:
Um, because he started moving and they had him sitting up and moving around 🙄. They obviously determined that it wasn’t bad enough for a backboard...

Um, because he started moving and they had him sitting up and moving around 🙄. They obviously determined that it wasn’t bad enough for a backboard or stretcher (someone said they should’ve used one anyway, and I agree). You’re right that they should’ve taken more time to diagnose him correctly and not rush it. But he was at a part of the track that wasn’t a threat to people running over him so they had a fairly safe area. At any rate, they should have allowed another seven seconds. Then they could’ve red flagged the race, and given more attention to MacAdoo, without really worrying about rushing him off. 

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Right, because nobody could possibly have gotten out of shape in the whoops and ended up landing on them…. The red flag was necessary, only 1-2 minutes...

Right, because nobody could possibly have gotten out of shape in the whoops and ended up landing on them…. 

The red flag was necessary, only 1-2 minutes sooner than they flew it.

Sucks for Max, but like DV said, Max went defensive and that cost him the race.


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Red crossed flag from the moment McAdoo went down would have eliminated the risk of someone getting out of shape in the whoops. But it was never used.

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There's a rulebook for a reason. Yeah Max got royally screwed here but there's nothing wrong with the AMA's call on this.

Am I understanding the rules wrong or would the race have been over if they waited 7 more seconds? If so, then yes they made the...

Am I understanding the rules wrong or would the race have been over if they waited 7 more seconds? If so, then yes they made the wrong call. 

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That is correct.The rules changed, and not for the better. As long as there's time left on the clock, the race restarts, and will comprise of...

That is correct.

The rules changed, and not for the better. As long as there's time left on the clock, the race restarts, and will comprise of at least 3 laps.

There's a reason the rules used to call the race over if more than 90% of the race is complete.  This is exactly it.

Kitchen won without question according the 2025 rule book, but in my opinion, the changes should be reverted.

You'll notice that Kitchen wasn't excited for the win.  I know of very few who wouldn't feel guilty winning in those conditions.

This is a link to the 2025 Supercross Rulebook.

https://americanmotorcyclist.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/2025-AMA-Supercross-Rulebook.pdf

Same as 2024 for red flag restarts…..

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Red crossed flag from the moment McAdoo went down would have eliminated the risk of someone getting out of shape in the whoops. But it was...

Red crossed flag from the moment McAdoo went down would have eliminated the risk of someone getting out of shape in the whoops. But it was never used.

Weege stated that they do not have red cross flags, or red flashing lights in the whoops, 

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Weege stated that they do not have red cross flags, or red flashing lights in the whoops, 

That’s up there on the dumbest things i’ve heard list for me.

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Red crossed flag from the moment McAdoo went down would have eliminated the risk of someone getting out of shape in the whoops. But it was...

Red crossed flag from the moment McAdoo went down would have eliminated the risk of someone getting out of shape in the whoops. But it was never used.

scott_nz wrote:

Weege stated that they do not have red cross flags, or red flashing lights in the whoops, 

Never heard that, but surely that can’t be right?

2/17/2025 12:41am Edited Date/Time 2/17/2025 12:42am

AMA official knows of a crash. 

AMA official knows we are close to end of race. 

AMA official knows current rule book. 

AMA official gets a red flag call. 

AMA official knowing the above looks at clock. 

AMA official using best judgement waits 7 seconds to stop race and makes the safest decision for all riders.

Conclusion:

AMA official didn’t look at clock. 
AMA official was thinking 2024 rule book.  

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