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What’s crazy to me (and I first thought of this years ago) Is this board has turned into what we are seeing all over the real world. It’s either you see it my way or you are a complete idiot and I can just say whatever I want from behind a keyboard. There is no respect for anyone that sees things different. Example - I can do without the antics and some things Deegan says and does, sure. I can also respect him as a beast of a rider who actually had an amazing 450 debut outdoors season. I can...

I asked a very innocent question about a rider because I wasn't aware what had happened as I hadn't been following closely for a couple weeks... GuyB proceeded to belittle me as if I was stupid. He turned in to a bit of a twat towards the end of his service here.

I agree with you on the downvotes. It brings an element of negativity which is entirely unnecessary. Typically, if someone believes something strongly enough to post their thoughts on a forum they are highly unlikely to change their P.O.V because a number of people downvote it. They're more like to come and argue back to make their point hear. again. and again.. Remove that element of negativity, let them voice their opinion whether right or wrong and move the F on...

I agree this place is in a serious need of a clean up. So many negative asshole people in here. This used to be a fun place to chit chat dirtbikes but recently it’s taken over his hate post and just flat out nonsense. I don’t comment as much as I used to because of it. Mostly just read and ignore the dumb. I’m still going to be here tho. I do really enjoy the bike builds and other topics. Hopefully if we can get a clean up and make this forum more enjoyable again. In the meantime, keep it...

The 'Congrats Haiden Deegan' thread is the perfect example of what has gone wrong with this place. The absolute hatred toward Deegan on this board is sad. I find myself getting pulled in just to try and balance it out. I'm not a fan of any particular racer. I just like to see good racing. I was rooting for Roczen to win the SX title and was rooting for Hunter to win the MX title. I was rooting for Deegan to win some motos this year.

I’ve only been here a relatively short time in the scheme of things, but I’ve really noticed it’s got much worse over the last year or so. One other interesting thing; and this isn’t a Euro vs US thing, but the different attitudes in race day threads between MXGP and AMA, is night and day. Maybe it’s because there’s less people in the GP threads, but everyone’s just discussing the racing and not talking so much bullshit. What a pleasure that is, I just wish the time difference wasn’t such a killer for me.

I do that all the time, scroll past all tbe crap. The problem is that the Moderators are slipping. More than half the posts are stupid garbage with loads of personal attacks. That's not the way Vital used to be. The point I'm trying to make is that it's getting worse and we are losing good dudes because it it. Ps. ...and I ain't fighting with you Jaun, what you said is about the best thing one can do.

One more thing I want to add is that this Vital Forum is actually a business, companies pay for Advertising here. When you look at Moto-Related, almost every other topic turns into a bitch fight and that can't be good for business.

I think it drives us all away at times. Sometimes it’s worse than other times. I stepped away for years and then came back to see the Lawrence revolution. Ironically, the latest craziness about this might make me step away again too.

For me its the Pro Deegan folks dragging the place down, its like they have the same mentality. No, im sure, its just them.

Such a pity. Hammer 663 is one of the better dudes on Vital and now the shit-show has driven him away. @ML needs to consider a cleanup. There are a bunch of dudes who contribute nothing worthy to the threads, instead, they go out of their way to cause shit amongst members. I've been here since 2008 and this is by far the worst I've seen. The Vital reputation will suffer if this continues in the current direction. My two cents.

Its the internet in 2026.

I just completely ignore bs posts. I read here a lot. Probably too much. Ive learned to gloss over morans. No need to leave, just avoid bs. Im still wanting to ride out west again one day and hit washougal. If all the good people bail from here itll suck.

It’s not misspelled, it’s purposely spelled that way from a funny story many generations ago. That Moran poster meme became a staple when newbies awould get sideways calling people morons without knowing The feel of the board and became morans themselves 😎

It's WAY too tight.

This, its quite annoying how people call Deegan the "3rd fastest man in the world" when I can name 3 US riders better than him and even more than that in Europe

Well said. It has to be a reality check if your #38 to have not led a lap this summer. After all the talk, it was enjoyable to watch a summer of him getting his butt kicked.

This is so amazingly stupid... Especially from someone who can write "Get rid of the Deegan haters and this place would instantly get better. They jump in a ruin every thread they can. "

You are clown

well until yesterday everyone was calling him George here in the states....except deegs who called him "whoregay". so my answer is still yes