The Deegan Bike Claim Story - Part 1, 2, and 3 | UPDATE: Brennan's Sponsor Responds | Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Deegan, Luce, and Walker

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Kmiller125 8/15/2022 7:09pm
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Just to add my perspective, I think after a week to prepare they all had almost too good of a matching story. That said I do think the real crime that took place was after they left the office and was to do with Luce and walker etc… and that whole interaction. It seemed as if Cotter and Burkeen both, Burkeen more that they very much seperated themselves from the Yamaha and walker thing and said we did our job and whatever happened out there is for them to work through and figure out. Also found it funny that Burkeen touched on it more by saying that if dealers were threatened etc that then we would revisit a possible penalty or further action. Short of Brennan hiring an attorney and requesting subpoenas on phone records and doing depositions it would be hard to ever prove. Reading between the lines they almost elude to, talk to them not us we only did our jobs. Just my two cents! Awesome interviews and awesome questions, no running from the hard stuff and flat out cool as a fan to get the real questions asked! Thanks ML !
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MO 23 wrote:
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant. The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing...
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant.
The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing AM bikes.
it doesnt matter where the money is coming from, or what the claimer wants to do with the bike. claim the bike, and it has to be handed over.

Shit its not complicated, yet its amateur MX....so of course it turns into a shit show of parents, sponsors, manufacturers, promoters, sanctioning bodies and shit talking on the internet haha
It’s sorta relevant if Im right. Considering it means most of the Vitards owe me an apology. LOL.
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Jeremy Macduff 8/15/2022 7:16pm
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Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport.

Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall on the Limited classes (e.g. 50cc).

What, if any, rule might Star Yamaha have broken here with a "factory" motor? Are they allegedly running non-homologated parts in their motors? Or potentially running an over-bored cylinder? Non-OEM frame? What rule could they technically be breaking with running a highly tuned motor? And if this is the allegation here, why not protest their bike and force an inspection? Is that not an outlet for competitors who suspect an illegal machine?
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brocster 8/15/2022 7:18pm
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dmm698 wrote:
Did I understand correctly Harris called a week before the race asking how to claim a bike? I support the kid Brennan and no doubt he...
Did I understand correctly Harris called a week before the race asking how to claim a bike?

I support the kid Brennan and no doubt he was coerced into dropping the claim by outside pressure, he should of got the bike ect. But it also speaks volumes to Harris playing the good guy supporter who claims he knew nothing about the claim idea from Brennan until Loretta’s yet he was on the phone about it a week prior and involved directly in the initiation with most of the officials.

Whole thing stinks to heavens and hope we can determine who pressured him into dropping it

Edit: just so it’s clear, Harris being dishonest has nothing to do with the fact Brennan got the shaft in this ordeal
Sore Loser wrote:
I haven’t made it thru the whole ML video yet. If Harris called about the claiming rules, boy oh boy. Cause he claims in his interview...
I haven’t made it thru the whole ML video yet.

If Harris called about the claiming rules, boy oh boy. Cause he claims in his interview that he found out about the claim at LL from Brennan at the last minute.

It would seem he’s possibly lying? Which would mean Brennan lied about where he got the money and who was behind the claim?

Jeez. I never woulda saw that coming.
MO 23 wrote:
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant. The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing...
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant.
The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing AM bikes.
it doesnt matter where the money is coming from, or what the claimer wants to do with the bike. claim the bike, and it has to be handed over.

Shit its not complicated, yet its amateur MX....so of course it turns into a shit show of parents, sponsors, manufacturers, promoters, sanctioning bodies and shit talking on the internet haha
^^^^ This exactly!

Don’t bring a gun to a knife fight as it’s in the rules that someone with a knife can claim your gun for no other reason than wanting to, given they have money. The source of the money is irrelevant but the total needed to be $17k.

The kid is the most right in this situation and ALL the adults are mostly wrong. Weird!
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MO 23 8/15/2022 7:18pm
8/15/2022 7:18pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 7:33pm
MO 23 wrote:
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant. The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing...
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant.
The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing AM bikes.
it doesnt matter where the money is coming from, or what the claimer wants to do with the bike. claim the bike, and it has to be handed over.

Shit its not complicated, yet its amateur MX....so of course it turns into a shit show of parents, sponsors, manufacturers, promoters, sanctioning bodies and shit talking on the internet haha
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It’s sorta relevant if Im right. Considering it means most of the Vitards owe me an apology. LOL.
I dont care if he is lying though Dan,
He probably is, because its a bad look for him to say "i am claiming the bike because my engine builder wants to open up the motor and have a look."

But at the end of the day, that is their prerogative, give them the damn bike.
The rule is there for a reason, the exact reason why Star dont want to hand over the bike. and in the end the kid didnt end up with the bike....

This is a 17 year old kid we are talking about. he is being absolutely rolled through the coals by an industry which has him by the balls, even though he followed the rules exactly.
All because the guys at Star/yamaha/Deegans took a risk and when they got caught out want to take their bat and ball home with them. Whoever pressured this kid into pulling the claim should feel pretty fucking shitty about what is happening to this kid now

Tough shit guys, you should have handed over the bike, you knew the rules, but wanted to have your cake and eat it too
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Dirty Points 8/15/2022 7:22pm
8/15/2022 7:22pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 7:29pm
Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport. Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall...
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport.

Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall on the Limited classes (e.g. 50cc).

What, if any, rule might Star Yamaha have broken here with a "factory" motor? Are they allegedly running non-homologated parts in their motors? Or potentially running an over-bored cylinder? Non-OEM frame? What rule could they technically be breaking with running a highly tuned motor? And if this is the allegation here, why not protest their bike and force an inspection? Is that not an outlet for competitors who suspect an illegal machine?
The rule they most likely broke is this:


They clearly went on the attack on multiple fronts instead of cutting a bill of sale to circumvent the claiming rule. But we will, of course, never get actual confirmation of that or even any interest in looking at it from our governing bodies.
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280driver 8/15/2022 7:24pm
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Dirt.Squirt wrote:
Two things that stuck out to me Burkeen claims Derek Harris spoke with him a few weeks before the race to go over how a claim...
Two things that stuck out to me


Burkeen claims Derek Harris spoke with him a few weeks before the race to go over how a claim process worked


Brian Deegan had these two screenshots from brennans Snapchat story



Not really aligning with brennans response to Brian of “having nothing but respect for you and your family”


It doesn’t SOUND to me like Burkeen Cotter or Degan treated Brennan unfairly however I am more interested in hearing from the dealer walker and Luce which to me sounds like where the real shady part went down.
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It’s almost as if someone has been alluding to this the last few days. I cant remember who though.
Brennan was saving for months specifically to claim this bike. Pretty sure all around him know it, including Harris. That doesn’t mean Harris was behind the whole thing or knew exactly when he was going to make the claim.
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MO 23 wrote:
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant. The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing...
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant.
The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing AM bikes.
it doesnt matter where the money is coming from, or what the claimer wants to do with the bike. claim the bike, and it has to be handed over.

Shit its not complicated, yet its amateur MX....so of course it turns into a shit show of parents, sponsors, manufacturers, promoters, sanctioning bodies and shit talking on the internet haha
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It’s sorta relevant if Im right. Considering it means most of the Vitards owe me an apology. LOL.
I guess the real question is, do we ever hear from you again after this all sorted out. You just became a member, have only posted about this subject. You seem to be really invested in how this turns out.
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brocster 8/15/2022 7:27pm
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Sore Loser sure got a hard on for being right that he is posting frantically in multiple threads. Wreaks of EID to me from what I remember of his “style”
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport. Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall...
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport.

Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall on the Limited classes (e.g. 50cc).

What, if any, rule might Star Yamaha have broken here with a "factory" motor? Are they allegedly running non-homologated parts in their motors? Or potentially running an over-bored cylinder? Non-OEM frame? What rule could they technically be breaking with running a highly tuned motor? And if this is the allegation here, why not protest their bike and force an inspection? Is that not an outlet for competitors who suspect an illegal machine?
A rule isn’t broken technically.

But in the spirit of the rules, a factory motor is not allowed. The claiming system is the best way to avoid semantics over “what defines factory”.

Unfortunately, the unspoken rule is claiming is taboo.

It’s quite the conflicting paradigm.
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SlowOldGuy 8/15/2022 7:28pm
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It is a really simple thing that I don't know why he keeps lying about. I was in the room the entire time Brian was there...
It is a really simple thing that I don't know why he keeps lying about. I was in the room the entire time Brian was there. He was never in the room with Brain and Tim alone.
lappedrider wrote:
Sorry, how was he not alone? Sounds like you’re saying he was in a room alone with 3 adults he didn’t know I stead of 2...
Sorry, how was he not alone? Sounds like you’re saying he was in a room alone with 3 adults he didn’t know I stead of 2? Why didn’t you call his dad when you called BD? Did you know he was a minor?
Because he told me his dad wasnt there.
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SlowOldGuy 8/15/2022 7:31pm
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport. Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall...
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport.

Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall on the Limited classes (e.g. 50cc).

What, if any, rule might Star Yamaha have broken here with a "factory" motor? Are they allegedly running non-homologated parts in their motors? Or potentially running an over-bored cylinder? Non-OEM frame? What rule could they technically be breaking with running a highly tuned motor? And if this is the allegation here, why not protest their bike and force an inspection? Is that not an outlet for competitors who suspect an illegal machine?
Dirty Points wrote:
The rule they most likely broke is this: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/15/564178/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img] They clearly went on the attack on multiple fronts instead of cutting a bill of sale to...
The rule they most likely broke is this:


They clearly went on the attack on multiple fronts instead of cutting a bill of sale to circumvent the claiming rule. But we will, of course, never get actual confirmation of that or even any interest in looking at it from our governing bodies.
So, looking at this rule, which rider was complicit in circumventing the rule?
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holyroller1 8/15/2022 7:33pm
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
It is a really simple thing that I don't know why he keeps lying about. I was in the room the entire time Brian was there...
It is a really simple thing that I don't know why he keeps lying about. I was in the room the entire time Brian was there. He was never in the room with Brain and Tim alone.
lappedrider wrote:
Sorry, how was he not alone? Sounds like you’re saying he was in a room alone with 3 adults he didn’t know I stead of 2...
Sorry, how was he not alone? Sounds like you’re saying he was in a room alone with 3 adults he didn’t know I stead of 2? Why didn’t you call his dad when you called BD? Did you know he was a minor?
SlowOldGuy wrote:
Because he told me his dad wasnt there.
Seriously, why wouldn't you pump the brakes knowing you are dealing with a minor and his parent/guardian wasn't available? Makes no sense. You freely admit 3 adults had a "closed door" meeting with a minor. Doesn't matter if the kid lies. This shit stinks to high heaven.
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Dirty Points 8/15/2022 7:33pm
8/15/2022 7:33pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 7:36pm
Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport. Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall...
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport.

Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall on the Limited classes (e.g. 50cc).

What, if any, rule might Star Yamaha have broken here with a "factory" motor? Are they allegedly running non-homologated parts in their motors? Or potentially running an over-bored cylinder? Non-OEM frame? What rule could they technically be breaking with running a highly tuned motor? And if this is the allegation here, why not protest their bike and force an inspection? Is that not an outlet for competitors who suspect an illegal machine?
Dirty Points wrote:
The rule they most likely broke is this: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/15/564178/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img] They clearly went on the attack on multiple fronts instead of cutting a bill of sale to...
The rule they most likely broke is this:


They clearly went on the attack on multiple fronts instead of cutting a bill of sale to circumvent the claiming rule. But we will, of course, never get actual confirmation of that or even any interest in looking at it from our governing bodies.
SlowOldGuy wrote:
So, looking at this rule, which rider was complicit in circumventing the rule?
Most likely Haiden (and, more specifically, his Dad and team), but we won't ever find out, right? I mean, there were clearly multiple parties that were working against this claim rather than just turning it over, as the rulebook intends.
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Sore Loser 8/15/2022 7:33pm
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MO 23 wrote:
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant. The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing...
You are probably right.....but it is irrelevant.
The rule is simple, and it is there to stop exactly what Star is doing....putting big money into developing AM bikes.
it doesnt matter where the money is coming from, or what the claimer wants to do with the bike. claim the bike, and it has to be handed over.

Shit its not complicated, yet its amateur MX....so of course it turns into a shit show of parents, sponsors, manufacturers, promoters, sanctioning bodies and shit talking on the internet haha
Sore Loser wrote:
It’s sorta relevant if Im right. Considering it means most of the Vitards owe me an apology. LOL.
MO 23 wrote:
I dont care if he is lying though Dan, He probably is, because its a bad look for him to say "i am claiming the bike...
I dont care if he is lying though Dan,
He probably is, because its a bad look for him to say "i am claiming the bike because my engine builder wants to open up the motor and have a look."

But at the end of the day, that is their prerogative, give them the damn bike.
The rule is there for a reason, the exact reason why Star dont want to hand over the bike. and in the end the kid didnt end up with the bike....

This is a 17 year old kid we are talking about. he is being absolutely rolled through the coals by an industry which has him by the balls, even though he followed the rules exactly.
All because the guys at Star/yamaha/Deegans took a risk and when they got caught out want to take their bat and ball home with them. Whoever pressured this kid into pulling the claim should feel pretty fucking shitty about what is happening to this kid now

Tough shit guys, you should have handed over the bike, you knew the rules, but wanted to have your cake and eat it too
You should care if he’s lying.

Because if he was lying there, he was also potentially lying elsewhere. Which it turns out he was. Which led to more than a few people taking a rash of undeserved shit.

Why he dropped the claim is the biggest question of all. His own account of Yamaha pressuring his dealer turned out to be pure speculation on his part. So then WHY did he CHOSE to drop the claim??? Because he assumed his dealer was being pressured?

You really don’t understand why the credibility of Saint Brennan is important? For fucks sake his account of the events was the ONLY account we had and it was being treated as full on gospel.
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jbrown15 wrote:
I guess the real question is, do we ever hear from you again after this all sorted out. You just became a member, have only posted...
I guess the real question is, do we ever hear from you again after this all sorted out. You just became a member, have only posted about this subject. You seem to be really invested in how this turns out.
Sure, I’ll stick around. Who knows when you’ll need me again to play the role of critical thinker.
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brocster wrote:
Sore Loser sure got a hard on for being right that he is posting frantically in multiple threads. Wreaks of EID to me from what I...
Sore Loser sure got a hard on for being right that he is posting frantically in multiple threads. Wreaks of EID to me from what I remember of his “style”
https://youtu.be/ACfNSqsi_mE
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brocster 8/15/2022 7:38pm
8/15/2022 7:38pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 7:41pm
Sore Loser wrote:
It’s sorta relevant if Im right. Considering it means most of the Vitards owe me an apology. LOL.
MO 23 wrote:
I dont care if he is lying though Dan, He probably is, because its a bad look for him to say "i am claiming the bike...
I dont care if he is lying though Dan,
He probably is, because its a bad look for him to say "i am claiming the bike because my engine builder wants to open up the motor and have a look."

But at the end of the day, that is their prerogative, give them the damn bike.
The rule is there for a reason, the exact reason why Star dont want to hand over the bike. and in the end the kid didnt end up with the bike....

This is a 17 year old kid we are talking about. he is being absolutely rolled through the coals by an industry which has him by the balls, even though he followed the rules exactly.
All because the guys at Star/yamaha/Deegans took a risk and when they got caught out want to take their bat and ball home with them. Whoever pressured this kid into pulling the claim should feel pretty fucking shitty about what is happening to this kid now

Tough shit guys, you should have handed over the bike, you knew the rules, but wanted to have your cake and eat it too
Sore Loser wrote:
You should care if he’s lying. Because if he was lying there, he was also potentially lying elsewhere. Which it turns out he was. Which led...
You should care if he’s lying.

Because if he was lying there, he was also potentially lying elsewhere. Which it turns out he was. Which led to more than a few people taking a rash of undeserved shit.

Why he dropped the claim is the biggest question of all. His own account of Yamaha pressuring his dealer turned out to be pure speculation on his part. So then WHY did he CHOSE to drop the claim??? Because he assumed his dealer was being pressured?

You really don’t understand why the credibility of Saint Brennan is important? For fucks sake his account of the events was the ONLY account we had and it was being treated as full on gospel.
Because Brennan’s account is more right than anyone elses
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MO 23 8/15/2022 7:39pm
8/15/2022 7:39pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 7:43pm
Sore Loser wrote:
It’s sorta relevant if Im right. Considering it means most of the Vitards owe me an apology. LOL.
MO 23 wrote:
I dont care if he is lying though Dan, He probably is, because its a bad look for him to say "i am claiming the bike...
I dont care if he is lying though Dan,
He probably is, because its a bad look for him to say "i am claiming the bike because my engine builder wants to open up the motor and have a look."

But at the end of the day, that is their prerogative, give them the damn bike.
The rule is there for a reason, the exact reason why Star dont want to hand over the bike. and in the end the kid didnt end up with the bike....

This is a 17 year old kid we are talking about. he is being absolutely rolled through the coals by an industry which has him by the balls, even though he followed the rules exactly.
All because the guys at Star/yamaha/Deegans took a risk and when they got caught out want to take their bat and ball home with them. Whoever pressured this kid into pulling the claim should feel pretty fucking shitty about what is happening to this kid now

Tough shit guys, you should have handed over the bike, you knew the rules, but wanted to have your cake and eat it too
Sore Loser wrote:
You should care if he’s lying. Because if he was lying there, he was also potentially lying elsewhere. Which it turns out he was. Which led...
You should care if he’s lying.

Because if he was lying there, he was also potentially lying elsewhere. Which it turns out he was. Which led to more than a few people taking a rash of undeserved shit.

Why he dropped the claim is the biggest question of all. His own account of Yamaha pressuring his dealer turned out to be pure speculation on his part. So then WHY did he CHOSE to drop the claim??? Because he assumed his dealer was being pressured?

You really don’t understand why the credibility of Saint Brennan is important? For fucks sake his account of the events was the ONLY account we had and it was being treated as full on gospel.
He claimed the bike, 100% within the rules. nobody is denying that
Does he have it now? No, he doesn't. Nobody is denying that

If he is lying about his motivation, i dont care, and i dont blame him.

But the indisputable facts are that he claimed the bike within the rules, and he didnt get the bike. and in my opinion that is all that matters....and it stinks. surely you agree with that Dan?

Also, Star borrowed an engine for the last race.....hmmm strange they didnt bring a spare

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thatswhathappens 8/15/2022 7:39pm
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Sore Loser wrote:
It’s sorta relevant if Im right. Considering it means most of the Vitards owe me an apology. LOL.
MO 23 wrote:
I dont care if he is lying though Dan, He probably is, because its a bad look for him to say "i am claiming the bike...
I dont care if he is lying though Dan,
He probably is, because its a bad look for him to say "i am claiming the bike because my engine builder wants to open up the motor and have a look."

But at the end of the day, that is their prerogative, give them the damn bike.
The rule is there for a reason, the exact reason why Star dont want to hand over the bike. and in the end the kid didnt end up with the bike....

This is a 17 year old kid we are talking about. he is being absolutely rolled through the coals by an industry which has him by the balls, even though he followed the rules exactly.
All because the guys at Star/yamaha/Deegans took a risk and when they got caught out want to take their bat and ball home with them. Whoever pressured this kid into pulling the claim should feel pretty fucking shitty about what is happening to this kid now

Tough shit guys, you should have handed over the bike, you knew the rules, but wanted to have your cake and eat it too
Sore Loser wrote:
You should care if he’s lying. Because if he was lying there, he was also potentially lying elsewhere. Which it turns out he was. Which led...
You should care if he’s lying.

Because if he was lying there, he was also potentially lying elsewhere. Which it turns out he was. Which led to more than a few people taking a rash of undeserved shit.

Why he dropped the claim is the biggest question of all. His own account of Yamaha pressuring his dealer turned out to be pure speculation on his part. So then WHY did he CHOSE to drop the claim??? Because he assumed his dealer was being pressured?

You really don’t understand why the credibility of Saint Brennan is important? For fucks sake his account of the events was the ONLY account we had and it was being treated as full on gospel.
Why do you discredit Brennan’s story while taking the others’ stories as fact?

A lot of the specifics in this story are easy to pick apart to better your argument, but the point stands; he claimed a bike, and didn’t leave with it, due to intervention from a party that wasn’t the AMA.
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lappedrider wrote:
Sorry, how was he not alone? Sounds like you’re saying he was in a room alone with 3 adults he didn’t know I stead of 2...
Sorry, how was he not alone? Sounds like you’re saying he was in a room alone with 3 adults he didn’t know I stead of 2? Why didn’t you call his dad when you called BD? Did you know he was a minor?
SlowOldGuy wrote:
Because he told me his dad wasnt there.
holyroller1 wrote:
Seriously, why wouldn't you pump the brakes knowing you are dealing with a minor and his parent/guardian wasn't available? Makes no sense. You freely admit 3...
Seriously, why wouldn't you pump the brakes knowing you are dealing with a minor and his parent/guardian wasn't available? Makes no sense. You freely admit 3 adults had a "closed door" meeting with a minor. Doesn't matter if the kid lies. This shit stinks to high heaven.
“Doesnt matter if the kid lies” is Vital’s version of “Believe all women”.

Classic.
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport. Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall...
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport.

Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall on the Limited classes (e.g. 50cc).

What, if any, rule might Star Yamaha have broken here with a "factory" motor? Are they allegedly running non-homologated parts in their motors? Or potentially running an over-bored cylinder? Non-OEM frame? What rule could they technically be breaking with running a highly tuned motor? And if this is the allegation here, why not protest their bike and force an inspection? Is that not an outlet for competitors who suspect an illegal machine?
Dirty Points wrote:
The rule they most likely broke is this: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/15/564178/s1200_Capture.jpg[/img] They clearly went on the attack on multiple fronts instead of cutting a bill of sale to...
The rule they most likely broke is this:


They clearly went on the attack on multiple fronts instead of cutting a bill of sale to circumvent the claiming rule. But we will, of course, never get actual confirmation of that or even any interest in looking at it from our governing bodies.
SlowOldGuy wrote:
So, looking at this rule, which rider was complicit in circumventing the rule?
Seems like you aren't in charge of anything. You work for Tim Cotter and he does whatever he wants.
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brocster wrote:
Because Brennan’s account is more right than anyone elses
Really?

As of now I only count two people possibly caught in lies.

And we still yet to hear from other important parties such as the dealership or Walker.
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Some of the people on this site are truly one of a kind. Six months ago, you all were neurologists who could diagnose Sexton's concussion through the TV, and now you're all Magnum PI and have a deep understanding of body language and speech patterns so you absolutely know everyone involved not named Brennan is 100% a lying piece of shit. Don't ever change, Vital.
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Dirty Points 8/15/2022 7:44pm
8/15/2022 7:44pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 8:05pm
SlowOldGuy wrote:
Because he told me his dad wasnt there.
holyroller1 wrote:
Seriously, why wouldn't you pump the brakes knowing you are dealing with a minor and his parent/guardian wasn't available? Makes no sense. You freely admit 3...
Seriously, why wouldn't you pump the brakes knowing you are dealing with a minor and his parent/guardian wasn't available? Makes no sense. You freely admit 3 adults had a "closed door" meeting with a minor. Doesn't matter if the kid lies. This shit stinks to high heaven.
Sore Loser wrote:
“Doesnt matter if the kid lies” is Vital’s version of “Believe all women”.

Classic.
It literally doesn't though. Brennan could say he wanted the bike for the super sick sextuple backflip he pulls all the time when we aren't around, and his bike claim is just as valid.
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holyroller1 8/15/2022 7:45pm
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
Because he told me his dad wasnt there.
holyroller1 wrote:
Seriously, why wouldn't you pump the brakes knowing you are dealing with a minor and his parent/guardian wasn't available? Makes no sense. You freely admit 3...
Seriously, why wouldn't you pump the brakes knowing you are dealing with a minor and his parent/guardian wasn't available? Makes no sense. You freely admit 3 adults had a "closed door" meeting with a minor. Doesn't matter if the kid lies. This shit stinks to high heaven.
Sore Loser wrote:
“Doesnt matter if the kid lies” is Vital’s version of “Believe all women”.

Classic.
Is it alright that 3 adults have a closed door meeting with a minor? SlowOldGuy confirmed he knew he was a minor but his dad was not there.

BTW, I thought you had stuff to do about one hour ago? I guess you meant post on other threads. HA!!
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
Because he told me his dad wasnt there.
holyroller1 wrote:
Seriously, why wouldn't you pump the brakes knowing you are dealing with a minor and his parent/guardian wasn't available? Makes no sense. You freely admit 3...
Seriously, why wouldn't you pump the brakes knowing you are dealing with a minor and his parent/guardian wasn't available? Makes no sense. You freely admit 3 adults had a "closed door" meeting with a minor. Doesn't matter if the kid lies. This shit stinks to high heaven.
Sore Loser wrote:
“Doesnt matter if the kid lies” is Vital’s version of “Believe all women”.

Classic.
160 posts in 2 days about 1 topic. I’d say that’s an agenda, not critical thinking.
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Jeremy Macduff 8/15/2022 7:45pm
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Sore Loser wrote:
“Doesnt matter if the kid lies” is Vital’s version of “Believe all women”.

Classic.
Bro, you're insufferable. There is not a single person here that gives a shit about whether Brennan was "lying" or not.

The only lie that would matter here is if he really didn't claim the bike and this was all a made-up story. But we know that's not the case. We have multiple parties on record corroborating literally every aspect of his initial story.

You're desperately trying to make Brennan out to be a bad guy here. No one is buying what you're selling, but it's a free world, so keep on trying. It's just rather pathetic.
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport. Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall...
Very compelling stuff, ML. This whole incident reveals a very unsavory aspect of this sport.

Based on the AMA rulebook, most of the modification restrictions fall on the Limited classes (e.g. 50cc).

What, if any, rule might Star Yamaha have broken here with a "factory" motor? Are they allegedly running non-homologated parts in their motors? Or potentially running an over-bored cylinder? Non-OEM frame? What rule could they technically be breaking with running a highly tuned motor? And if this is the allegation here, why not protest their bike and force an inspection? Is that not an outlet for competitors who suspect an illegal machine?
No one is saying Star had a cheater bike, it was an unlimited class (250b). He didn't protest, he claimed it.
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ML512 8/15/2022 7:46pm
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Part two link has been added to page one. It holds the interview with Donnie Luce from Yamaha and Matt Walker.
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