The Deegan Bike Claim Story - Part 1, 2, and 3 | UPDATE: Brennan's Sponsor Responds | Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Deegan, Luce, and Walker

sesker15 wrote:

ML on behalf of everyone on vital at this moment, can you PLEASE stop “Sore Loser” from posting!!!???
Thanks from everyone in every Bike claim topic!

OW38B wrote:

19 pages.....Just to be clear, we are talking amateur racing correct? If so, see below. “When You Little Scamps Get Together, You’re Worse Than A Sewing...

19 pages.....Just to be clear, we are talking amateur racing correct? If so, see below.


“When You Little Scamps Get Together, You’re Worse Than A Sewing Circle.” - Mia Wallace

TeamGreen wrote:

Ah, yes…

Get the Gimp!

moto543 wrote:

But the gimp’s asleep…

sesker15 wrote:

ML on behalf of everyone on vital at this moment, can you PLEASE stop “Sore Loser” from posting!!!???
Thanks from everyone in every Bike claim topic!

vanillaice782 wrote:

If I was to guess I would say it's Brian "I don't have time to do an interview" Deegan

vanillaice782 wrote:

How it should have played out [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/20/564785/s1200_Screenshot_20220820_081208_Samsung_Internet.jpg[/img]

How it should have played out

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

No matter what side of the fence you’re on this claim stuff . You must know how proud his dad is of Haiden. His dad dream...

No matter what side of the fence you’re on this claim stuff . You must know how proud his dad is of Haiden. His dad dream was to get a factory ride and he never got one so it must of been one hell of a proud moment for him when his son signed that factory Yamaha deal. And no one can deny that the kid doesn’t work hard and he wasn’t just given the ride because of YouTube. Haiden earned this ride and deserved it. Look at Ryder D and Chase Hymas then been on big bike for over 2 years and Ryder D just went pro and hymas is holding back for a 3rd year . Haiden has only been on big bike since a week after Loretta’ last year and he didn’t go 125 school boy like ferry and CC 66. He is going pro next weekend at iron man and team wouldn’t let him knew that if he wasn’t showing the speed as the other pros on the team . So I think it’s amazing and no one should be hating or saying kid is sand bagging. Hes 16 only been on a big bike skip 125 went straight to 250 and he’s going be pro national rider only being on a big bike just barley over one year

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

Do you think Haiden Ghost rides his bike his fist win in sx as a tribute to his dads win?

Landonious217 wrote:

Ya, I don't care what that dude says. At this point I think it's pretty clear Walker spooked him by saying "if this goes through, yamaha...

Ya, I don't care what that dude says. At this point I think it's pretty clear Walker spooked him by saying "if this goes through, yamaha could take away your status as a YZ dealer"

The biggest question, why was Walker ever involved?

ML512 wrote:

Cause the dealer hit up walker, the dealer’s son is also trained by Walker (as was Brennan) so he went to him about it. I have...

Cause the dealer hit up walker, the dealer’s son is also trained by Walker (as was Brennan) so he went to him about it. I have yet to have anyone state that there was ever a threat to the dealer or anyone about Yamaha pulling support. Brennan even admitted in his interview with me that it was never stated…he just assumed.

tingo wrote:

This is what Mathes is hung on and it IS important that the dealer was never actually threatened. Brennan just assumed that was the case based...

This is what Mathes is hung on and it IS important that the dealer was never actually threatened. Brennan just assumed that was the case based on what? He didn't pull that out of thin air. Chris from Rallye has been tight-lipped other than to clarify that Yamaha didn't threaten him. The only thing that makes sense is that he did say or imply that to Brennan's dad when he pulled him aside. It is THAT conversation, coupled with Walker and Luce being there, that ultimately killed the deal. It's a shit look on the dealer's part to pull support from Brennan after he pulled the claim at the request of the dealer/sponsor.

But really, I'm just here to help this sucker get to 20 pages.

ML512 wrote:

Locked that account.

ctbale wrote:

Why? Quantity or content? Or other?

ML512 wrote:

I'm fairly against a user that creates a new account just to live in one thread and project their opinion so heavily that they take up...

I'm fairly against a user that creates a new account just to live in one thread and project their opinion so heavily that they take up half the posts in it. I locked it for a few days and if they want to participate in the forum as a whole afterwards, cool. If this is the only reason they're interest in being here, then good riddance.

TbonesPop wrote:

Not a good look for Yamaha, not all all. Jerry Springer show worthy.... As another poster posted, did anyone ask the dealer "Who informed you about...

Not a good look for Yamaha, not all all. Jerry Springer show worthy....

As another poster posted, did anyone ask the dealer "Who informed you about Brennan claiming the bike?"

Would love a straight and true answer to that question. My money line would be on Walker.

ML512 wrote:

I asked the dealer, he said he’s the one who informed Walker.

ML512 wrote:

If you listen to the interview with AMA's Mike Burkeen, that isn't technically against the rule. It's a bummer and not morally great...but technically not breaking...

If you listen to the interview with AMA's Mike Burkeen, that isn't technically against the rule.

It's a bummer and not morally great...but technically not breaking the rules.

Landonious217 wrote:

Ya, I don't care what that dude says. At this point I think it's pretty clear Walker spooked him by saying "if this goes through, yamaha...

Ya, I don't care what that dude says. At this point I think it's pretty clear Walker spooked him by saying "if this goes through, yamaha could take away your status as a YZ dealer"

The biggest question, why was Walker ever involved?

ML512 wrote:

Cause the dealer hit up walker, the dealer’s son is also trained by Walker (as was Brennan) so he went to him about it. I have...

Cause the dealer hit up walker, the dealer’s son is also trained by Walker (as was Brennan) so he went to him about it. I have yet to have anyone state that there was ever a threat to the dealer or anyone about Yamaha pulling support. Brennan even admitted in his interview with me that it was never stated…he just assumed.

tingo wrote:

This is what Mathes is hung on and it IS important that the dealer was never actually threatened. Brennan just assumed that was the case based...

This is what Mathes is hung on and it IS important that the dealer was never actually threatened. Brennan just assumed that was the case based on what? He didn't pull that out of thin air. Chris from Rallye has been tight-lipped other than to clarify that Yamaha didn't threaten him. The only thing that makes sense is that he did say or imply that to Brennan's dad when he pulled him aside. It is THAT conversation, coupled with Walker and Luce being there, that ultimately killed the deal. It's a shit look on the dealer's part to pull support from Brennan after he pulled the claim at the request of the dealer/sponsor.

But really, I'm just here to help this sucker get to 20 pages.

ML512 wrote:

Cause the dealer hit up walker, the dealer’s son is also trained by Walker (as was Brennan) so he went to him about it. I have...

Cause the dealer hit up walker, the dealer’s son is also trained by Walker (as was Brennan) so he went to him about it. I have yet to have anyone state that there was ever a threat to the dealer or anyone about Yamaha pulling support. Brennan even admitted in his interview with me that it was never stated…he just assumed.

tingo wrote:

This is what Mathes is hung on and it IS important that the dealer was never actually threatened. Brennan just assumed that was the case based...

This is what Mathes is hung on and it IS important that the dealer was never actually threatened. Brennan just assumed that was the case based on what? He didn't pull that out of thin air. Chris from Rallye has been tight-lipped other than to clarify that Yamaha didn't threaten him. The only thing that makes sense is that he did say or imply that to Brennan's dad when he pulled him aside. It is THAT conversation, coupled with Walker and Luce being there, that ultimately killed the deal. It's a shit look on the dealer's part to pull support from Brennan after he pulled the claim at the request of the dealer/sponsor.

But really, I'm just here to help this sucker get to 20 pages.

yak651 wrote:

But what if the dealer implied that he would lose his dealership if the claim wasn’t taken back? The kid wouldn’t know that no one said...

But what if the dealer implied that he would lose his dealership if the claim wasn’t taken back? The kid wouldn’t know that no one said that and maybe he truly is a good kid and felt bad enough to take it back. All we know is that the dealer I was pissed his name was on the side of the kids bike and that they were at Walkers pit and then the dealer took the kids dad aside and next thing you know they are taking back the claim. This dealer (just like all used car salesman) is shady, and the kid should’ve never taken the claim back

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

So how does this all end? Just is what it is, and fizzles away? I see they are trying to implement some rules changes for 2023...

So how does this all end? Just is what it is, and fizzles away?

I see they are trying to implement some rules changes for 2023, Brennen lost his bikes and maybe the dealer sponsorship but gets some engine support. Anything else?

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

So how does this all end? Just is what it is, and fizzles away? I see they are trying to implement some rules changes for 2023...

So how does this all end? Just is what it is, and fizzles away?

I see they are trying to implement some rules changes for 2023, Brennen lost his bikes and maybe the dealer sponsorship but gets some engine support. Anything else?

8tensolutions wrote:

Nothing happens and its comical everyone thought something would like there was a smoking gun somewhere and Perry Mason was investigating this. Multiple parties involved recognize...

Nothing happens and its comical everyone thought something would like there was a smoking gun somewhere and Perry Mason was investigating this. Multiple parties involved recognize they/it could have been handled better and the AMA is changing the rule to an extent. Also, Brennan has moved on to KTM and the dealer along with Yamaha move on as well. Matt Walker lost a client and many came out looking pretty bad in this deal. Already forgotten.

Roczoff wrote:

Was at 5 Guys grabbing a burger. When they called my number and I went to claim my order, I was pulled into a room and...

Was at 5 Guys grabbing a burger. When they called my number and I went to claim my order, I was pulled into a room and yelled at by Deegan and Tim Cotter until I agreed to drop it. Luce promised me some chicken fingers instead. Never got 'em.

backinthesaddleagain wrote:

One thing I don’t understand is who provided Brennan his bikes. Were the bikes given by the dealer or Yamaha itself? If Yamaha then do the...

One thing I don’t understand is who provided Brennan his bikes. Were the bikes given by the dealer or Yamaha itself? If Yamaha then do the bikes go directly from Yamaha to the rider or through the dealer? I’d assume if direct from Yamaha then what’s the dealer have to do with it? I could see both sponsoring the rider as well but the dealer giving parts or other supplies. Not just a Brennan question but a question as to how things work.

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

So how does this all end? Just is what it is, and fizzles away? I see they are trying to implement some rules changes for 2023...

So how does this all end? Just is what it is, and fizzles away?

I see they are trying to implement some rules changes for 2023, Brennen lost his bikes and maybe the dealer sponsorship but gets some engine support. Anything else?

8tensolutions wrote:

Nothing happens and its comical everyone thought something would like there was a smoking gun somewhere and Perry Mason was investigating this. Multiple parties involved recognize...

Nothing happens and its comical everyone thought something would like there was a smoking gun somewhere and Perry Mason was investigating this. Multiple parties involved recognize they/it could have been handled better and the AMA is changing the rule to an extent. Also, Brennan has moved on to KTM and the dealer along with Yamaha move on as well. Matt Walker lost a client and many came out looking pretty bad in this deal. Already forgotten.

yak651 wrote:

Already forgotten 😂😂😂

Still talking about weeks later…

backinthesaddleagain wrote:

One thing I don’t understand is who provided Brennan his bikes. Were the bikes given by the dealer or Yamaha itself? If Yamaha then do the...

One thing I don’t understand is who provided Brennan his bikes. Were the bikes given by the dealer or Yamaha itself? If Yamaha then do the bikes go directly from Yamaha to the rider or through the dealer? I’d assume if direct from Yamaha then what’s the dealer have to do with it? I could see both sponsoring the rider as well but the dealer giving parts or other supplies. Not just a Brennan question but a question as to how things work.

Gungadin wrote:

Bikes may have been on floorplan- ie finance. As soon as they were taken off the floor to be used, the financier would require payment. That...

Bikes may have been on floorplan- ie finance.

As soon as they were taken off the floor to be used, the financier would require payment.

That probably means the dealer owned them and was lending them to Brennan for probable second hand sale when he was done.

That's what we did with the Yamaha dealership in the 80's.

backinthesaddleagain wrote:

One thing I don’t understand is who provided Brennan his bikes. Were the bikes given by the dealer or Yamaha itself? If Yamaha then do the...

One thing I don’t understand is who provided Brennan his bikes. Were the bikes given by the dealer or Yamaha itself? If Yamaha then do the bikes go directly from Yamaha to the rider or through the dealer? I’d assume if direct from Yamaha then what’s the dealer have to do with it? I could see both sponsoring the rider as well but the dealer giving parts or other supplies. Not just a Brennan question but a question as to how things work.

Gungadin wrote:

Bikes may have been on floorplan- ie finance. As soon as they were taken off the floor to be used, the financier would require payment. That...

Bikes may have been on floorplan- ie finance.

As soon as they were taken off the floor to be used, the financier would require payment.

That probably means the dealer owned them and was lending them to Brennan for probable second hand sale when he was done.

That's what we did with the Yamaha dealership in the 80's.

8tensolutions wrote:

They could have been demos from Yamaha too or special incentive bikes (lower cost). Many manufacturers have programs like that for dealers....especially big ones.