JGR going bye-bye?

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KDXGarage 10/25/2019 11:51pm
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SPYGUY wrote:
Let's also not forget that from the birth of JGR MX until now, they've won just as many titles as Team Honda.
That's right! This guy is spot on. It takes more than money.
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CPR 10/26/2019 4:25am
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Anton_514 wrote:
It was coincidence. I’ve needed to get some stuff with Alex for another feature on the site and figured I’d get two birds stoned at once...
It was coincidence. I’ve needed to get some stuff with Alex for another feature on the site and figured I’d get two birds stoned at once with the podcast. Had no idea Weege did his thing until minutes before Alex was on the phone haha.

Glad to hear there is something in place for two riders and the staff. Alex was very open in his answers and explained the situation well, as did JBone in the video.

Worth pointing out Alex had no idea so many people want to see JBone removed from his post as team manager. He doesn’t see Jeremy doing anything wrong in terms of management or decision making, just doing what he can with the current situation.
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I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under...
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under the tents, certainly not the look of a team with a lot of infighting. So surely J-Bone gets a big part of that credit. Apart from James, they've never really chased after a championship 450 guy. One could argue Barcia, but there was not enough evidence at the end of the 2014 to say he was the next big thing especially when he was already being eclipsed by Roczen and Tomac in their rookie seasons. And Barcia has even admitted that he was not the easiest rider to work with back in his early JGR days.

For any doubters, look what JGR did with Peick. He was a good rider at the end of 2014 but he definitely kept making steps forward in 2015-2018 with JGR.
Agree wholeheartedly but there is one JGR decision I could never understand and that's not giving Phil Nicoletti a full time 450 ride, at least in MX.
As their fill in rider since 2015 he never finished the outdoors worse than 8th overall when he did a full series. He beat Peick all those years as well. Those impressive performances on the Yamaha, when other Yamaha riders were struggling, culminated in a top 5 finish in the 2016 season. But then he was 'rewarded' with a 250 SX ride in 2017? Neither 250s or SX appeared to be his strong points at the time. Luckily for him he scored a Husky fill in ride in 2018 (finished 6th) before having to go to Canada.
Have always liked the JGR team but their dealings with Nicoletti always made me scratch my head. Not sure who was making the calls but that guy deserved a full time ride.
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kpiper 10/26/2019 9:10am
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I thought the Weege/JGR video was nice but it made clear if they don't get a sponsor they are probably not racing in 2020. Alex does not know so his comments really don't mean anything.

Coy says you can 'spend the money you get' is basically what I heard. So if they don't get any new money...

They said last year they could keep racing as long as they don't lose money.
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Anton_514 wrote:
It was coincidence. I’ve needed to get some stuff with Alex for another feature on the site and figured I’d get two birds stoned at once...
It was coincidence. I’ve needed to get some stuff with Alex for another feature on the site and figured I’d get two birds stoned at once with the podcast. Had no idea Weege did his thing until minutes before Alex was on the phone haha.

Glad to hear there is something in place for two riders and the staff. Alex was very open in his answers and explained the situation well, as did JBone in the video.

Worth pointing out Alex had no idea so many people want to see JBone removed from his post as team manager. He doesn’t see Jeremy doing anything wrong in terms of management or decision making, just doing what he can with the current situation.
hamncheeze wrote:
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under...
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under the tents, certainly not the look of a team with a lot of infighting. So surely J-Bone gets a big part of that credit. Apart from James, they've never really chased after a championship 450 guy. One could argue Barcia, but there was not enough evidence at the end of the 2014 to say he was the next big thing especially when he was already being eclipsed by Roczen and Tomac in their rookie seasons. And Barcia has even admitted that he was not the easiest rider to work with back in his early JGR days.

For any doubters, look what JGR did with Peick. He was a good rider at the end of 2014 but he definitely kept making steps forward in 2015-2018 with JGR.
CPR wrote:
Agree wholeheartedly but there is one JGR decision I could never understand and that's not giving Phil Nicoletti a full time 450 ride, at least in...
Agree wholeheartedly but there is one JGR decision I could never understand and that's not giving Phil Nicoletti a full time 450 ride, at least in MX.
As their fill in rider since 2015 he never finished the outdoors worse than 8th overall when he did a full series. He beat Peick all those years as well. Those impressive performances on the Yamaha, when other Yamaha riders were struggling, culminated in a top 5 finish in the 2016 season. But then he was 'rewarded' with a 250 SX ride in 2017? Neither 250s or SX appeared to be his strong points at the time. Luckily for him he scored a Husky fill in ride in 2018 (finished 6th) before having to go to Canada.
Have always liked the JGR team but their dealings with Nicoletti always made me scratch my head. Not sure who was making the calls but that guy deserved a full time ride.
Phil’s Rockstar-Canada deal pays pretty damn well and he, also, just got a nice little bonus for winning their “Grand Championship”/Rockstar Triple Crown Championship.
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oldnwise 10/27/2019 4:40am
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I know of sponsors that were very interested in getting involved, but were chased away by arrogance. Yes, JGR needs to re-boot their management!
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With Geico Honda closing its doors in 2020, no team is immune from plugging the plug.
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DeeJay wrote:
With Geico Honda closing its doors in 2020, no team is immune from plugging the plug.
Indeed we've now seen that there is NO team that can say that they are too big to fail.
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8tensolutions 10/14/2020 7:47am
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Anton_514 wrote:
It was coincidence. I’ve needed to get some stuff with Alex for another feature on the site and figured I’d get two birds stoned at once...
It was coincidence. I’ve needed to get some stuff with Alex for another feature on the site and figured I’d get two birds stoned at once with the podcast. Had no idea Weege did his thing until minutes before Alex was on the phone haha.

Glad to hear there is something in place for two riders and the staff. Alex was very open in his answers and explained the situation well, as did JBone in the video.

Worth pointing out Alex had no idea so many people want to see JBone removed from his post as team manager. He doesn’t see Jeremy doing anything wrong in terms of management or decision making, just doing what he can with the current situation.
hamncheeze wrote:
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under...
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under the tents, certainly not the look of a team with a lot of infighting. So surely J-Bone gets a big part of that credit. Apart from James, they've never really chased after a championship 450 guy. One could argue Barcia, but there was not enough evidence at the end of the 2014 to say he was the next big thing especially when he was already being eclipsed by Roczen and Tomac in their rookie seasons. And Barcia has even admitted that he was not the easiest rider to work with back in his early JGR days.

For any doubters, look what JGR did with Peick. He was a good rider at the end of 2014 but he definitely kept making steps forward in 2015-2018 with JGR.
I don't feel Jeremy should be "sacked", but the string of poor decisions and lack of results in any other business would result in a leadership change. They have had "bad luck" for as long as I can remember and it starts at the top. Look at what just happened at Yamaha and Kawasaki. My opinion is it should have happened at Yamaha long ago, but eventually it did.
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dkurtd 10/14/2020 7:57am
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Why are we now discussing a year old thread? Does anyone to include DeeJay have any inside information on JGR shutting down in 2020 or are we going to drag them through the mud every year?
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Hudd_421 10/14/2020 8:09am
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No one has any info. Anyone aside from a select few, will always say "i've heard" or "rumors say..." but in reality, they are just repeating what they heard on Pulp or read on twitter.
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jamiechapman418 10/14/2020 8:29am
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Didn't JGR say they are good for 2021? Pretty sure they stated they are staying with Suzuki and have received a new title sponsor. No information on who that sponsor is yet though.
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LKHill 10/14/2020 8:54am
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hamncheeze wrote:
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under...
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under the tents, certainly not the look of a team with a lot of infighting. So surely J-Bone gets a big part of that credit. Apart from James, they've never really chased after a championship 450 guy. One could argue Barcia, but there was not enough evidence at the end of the 2014 to say he was the next big thing especially when he was already being eclipsed by Roczen and Tomac in their rookie seasons. And Barcia has even admitted that he was not the easiest rider to work with back in his early JGR days.

For any doubters, look what JGR did with Peick. He was a good rider at the end of 2014 but he definitely kept making steps forward in 2015-2018 with JGR.
You think JRG chased off JS7? He did the exact same thing to factory Suzuki. Barcia will be the first to tell you his commitment was crap and he had to get his house in order to run up front again. JGR make money? I don't think it ever happened. People got paychecks. I have never been a huge JGR fan but they have earned my respect and the bikes for the most part have seemed competitive.



This has got to be one of the lamest threads on vital.
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8tensolutions wrote:
I don't feel Jeremy should be "sacked", but the string of poor decisions and lack of results in any other business would result in a leadership...
I don't feel Jeremy should be "sacked", but the string of poor decisions and lack of results in any other business would result in a leadership change. They have had "bad luck" for as long as I can remember and it starts at the top. Look at what just happened at Yamaha and Kawasaki. My opinion is it should have happened at Yamaha long ago, but eventually it did.
I am of the same thought process on this one. You don't fire the players for bad results, you fire the coach. He is the guy that sets the tone for the whole Team. Maybe it's not JBone that really sets the tone, it may be Coy Gibbs, I have no knowledge of how that team operates. But after this many years with no real results you would think a change would be in order. JBone has said he isn't interested in going after Elite level riders anymore. Not sure how you win a title these days without an Elite guy, an Elite trainer and an Elite Team behind them. KTM/Husky/GasGas and Kawasaki have had a strangle hold on the 450 class for the last 10 years. To beat them you need everything that they have and a bit more. They win because they are focused on winning. I don't see JGR having that laser focus on winning.

For those of you who say that HRC has the same number of Championships as JGR. I would say that if you had to bet your Home and life savings on HRC or JGR winning one, you sure as hell wouldn't pick JGR
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hamncheeze wrote:
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under...
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under the tents, certainly not the look of a team with a lot of infighting. So surely J-Bone gets a big part of that credit. Apart from James, they've never really chased after a championship 450 guy. One could argue Barcia, but there was not enough evidence at the end of the 2014 to say he was the next big thing especially when he was already being eclipsed by Roczen and Tomac in their rookie seasons. And Barcia has even admitted that he was not the easiest rider to work with back in his early JGR days.

For any doubters, look what JGR did with Peick. He was a good rider at the end of 2014 but he definitely kept making steps forward in 2015-2018 with JGR.
LKHill wrote:
You think JRG chased off JS7? He did the exact same thing to factory Suzuki. Barcia will be the first to tell you his commitment was...
You think JRG chased off JS7? He did the exact same thing to factory Suzuki. Barcia will be the first to tell you his commitment was crap and he had to get his house in order to run up front again. JGR make money? I don't think it ever happened. People got paychecks. I have never been a huge JGR fan but they have earned my respect and the bikes for the most part have seemed competitive.



This has got to be one of the lamest threads on vital.
Read more carefully.
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hamncheeze wrote:
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under...
I have never understood the sack "J-Bone" mentality either. Any time you see JGR at the races it seems to be a pretty good vibe under the tents, certainly not the look of a team with a lot of infighting. So surely J-Bone gets a big part of that credit. Apart from James, they've never really chased after a championship 450 guy. One could argue Barcia, but there was not enough evidence at the end of the 2014 to say he was the next big thing especially when he was already being eclipsed by Roczen and Tomac in their rookie seasons. And Barcia has even admitted that he was not the easiest rider to work with back in his early JGR days.

For any doubters, look what JGR did with Peick. He was a good rider at the end of 2014 but he definitely kept making steps forward in 2015-2018 with JGR.
LKHill wrote:
You think JRG chased off JS7? He did the exact same thing to factory Suzuki. Barcia will be the first to tell you his commitment was...
You think JRG chased off JS7? He did the exact same thing to factory Suzuki. Barcia will be the first to tell you his commitment was crap and he had to get his house in order to run up front again. JGR make money? I don't think it ever happened. People got paychecks. I have never been a huge JGR fan but they have earned my respect and the bikes for the most part have seemed competitive.



This has got to be one of the lamest threads on vital.
davis224 wrote:
Read more carefully.
No shit. This thread gets resurrected and someone totally misinterprets my post from a year ago. Don't ever change, Vital!
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I don't get the joy some people have in shitting on JGR. I give them credit for being here, even if it might be in question year to year (although maybe that's only in question to us). They lost their title 3 years ago and are still going. FC lost theirs 2 months ago and are gone.
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2WheelsForTheMasses 10/15/2020 9:25am
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But probably do need the money to make a profit out of their mx team , and they are not a charity It’s scary for the...
But probably do need the money to make a profit out of their mx team , and they are not a charity

It’s scary for the sport even with the contacts and resources they have to run the sponsorship for the nascar Teams they can’t get an outside Industry sponsor for the mx team
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It’s a huge statement to the state of the sport when one of the most respected leaders and organizations in USA Motorsports, with full factory equipment...
It’s a huge statement to the state of the sport when one of the most respected leaders and organizations in USA Motorsports, with full factory equipment from one of the oems, can’t get funding and sponsorship!! And having arguably one if the most visible and marketable riders in the all important sx series. I keep hearing from feld and ama and every other insider about how everything is up. Viewers. Attendance. Sport is going to be where USA road
Racing is soon if there aren’t some changes to get someone besides monster to sponsor race teams!!
Motofinne wrote:
Well... They might have had full factory equipment but it is known that their Suzuki deal was economically worse from day one compared to what they...
Well... They might have had full factory equipment but it is known that their Suzuki deal was economically worse from day one compared to what they had with Yamaha. From an economic standpoint, they took a step backwards. They are not a normal factory team, not at all.
This is 110% wrong. The Zook deal was better from A-Z.

Clearly you have no info at any level
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OLDMOTO 10/15/2020 9:36am
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Flattrack88 wrote:
I don't get the joy some people have in shitting on JGR. I give them credit for being here, even if it might be in question...
I don't get the joy some people have in shitting on JGR. I give them credit for being here, even if it might be in question year to year (although maybe that's only in question to us). They lost their title 3 years ago and are still going. FC lost theirs 2 months ago and are gone.
Very good point! JGR, 3 years of funding it out of pocket. Factory Connection could have continued as a small greatly scaled-down effort. But they took their ball and went home.

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8tensolutions wrote:
I don't feel Jeremy should be "sacked", but the string of poor decisions and lack of results in any other business would result in a leadership...
I don't feel Jeremy should be "sacked", but the string of poor decisions and lack of results in any other business would result in a leadership change. They have had "bad luck" for as long as I can remember and it starts at the top. Look at what just happened at Yamaha and Kawasaki. My opinion is it should have happened at Yamaha long ago, but eventually it did.
deluxeman wrote:
I am of the same thought process on this one. You don't fire the players for bad results, you fire the coach. He is the guy...
I am of the same thought process on this one. You don't fire the players for bad results, you fire the coach. He is the guy that sets the tone for the whole Team. Maybe it's not JBone that really sets the tone, it may be Coy Gibbs, I have no knowledge of how that team operates. But after this many years with no real results you would think a change would be in order. JBone has said he isn't interested in going after Elite level riders anymore. Not sure how you win a title these days without an Elite guy, an Elite trainer and an Elite Team behind them. KTM/Husky/GasGas and Kawasaki have had a strangle hold on the 450 class for the last 10 years. To beat them you need everything that they have and a bit more. They win because they are focused on winning. I don't see JGR having that laser focus on winning.

For those of you who say that HRC has the same number of Championships as JGR. I would say that if you had to bet your Home and life savings on HRC or JGR winning one, you sure as hell wouldn't pick JGR
And the number is still the same. Lol
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Zycki11 10/15/2020 9:42am
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Dirty Points 10/15/2020 9:43am
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mauidex wrote:
It’s a huge statement to the state of the sport when one of the most respected leaders and organizations in USA Motorsports, with full factory equipment...
It’s a huge statement to the state of the sport when one of the most respected leaders and organizations in USA Motorsports, with full factory equipment from one of the oems, can’t get funding and sponsorship!! And having arguably one if the most visible and marketable riders in the all important sx series. I keep hearing from feld and ama and every other insider about how everything is up. Viewers. Attendance. Sport is going to be where USA road
Racing is soon if there aren’t some changes to get someone besides monster to sponsor race teams!!
Motofinne wrote:
Well... They might have had full factory equipment but it is known that their Suzuki deal was economically worse from day one compared to what they...
Well... They might have had full factory equipment but it is known that their Suzuki deal was economically worse from day one compared to what they had with Yamaha. From an economic standpoint, they took a step backwards. They are not a normal factory team, not at all.
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
This is 110% wrong. The Zook deal was better from A-Z.

Clearly you have no info at any level
Matthes said and JBone didn't dispute in a Pulp interview that the Yamaha deal had more money attached, but they were going with Suzuki for other reasons.

Matthes: Suzuki. How weird is that?
Albrecht: Maybe not the smartest thing. But it will be, long-term
Matthes: Why is that?
Albrecht: Well, you know, financially...And it's late.
Matthes: My sources tell me Yamaha's offer was probably better than Suzuki's, but you guys are just looking for a switch, looking for some spark...
Albrecht: ...Yeah, just... Exactly, yup.

http://pulpmx.com/podcast/show-272-jeremy-albrecht-josh-hill-cameron-mc…
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Is this the 2nd or 3rd year of supposedly having a title sponsor lined up? Actual question, I think it has been “stamped” several times and not actually happened.
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Motofinne wrote:
Well... They might have had full factory equipment but it is known that their Suzuki deal was economically worse from day one compared to what they...
Well... They might have had full factory equipment but it is known that their Suzuki deal was economically worse from day one compared to what they had with Yamaha. From an economic standpoint, they took a step backwards. They are not a normal factory team, not at all.
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
This is 110% wrong. The Zook deal was better from A-Z.

Clearly you have no info at any level
Dirty Points wrote:
Matthes said and JBone didn't dispute in a Pulp interview that the Yamaha deal had more money attached, but they were going with Suzuki for other...
Matthes said and JBone didn't dispute in a Pulp interview that the Yamaha deal had more money attached, but they were going with Suzuki for other reasons.

Matthes: Suzuki. How weird is that?
Albrecht: Maybe not the smartest thing. But it will be, long-term
Matthes: Why is that?
Albrecht: Well, you know, financially...And it's late.
Matthes: My sources tell me Yamaha's offer was probably better than Suzuki's, but you guys are just looking for a switch, looking for some spark...
Albrecht: ...Yeah, just... Exactly, yup.

http://pulpmx.com/podcast/show-272-jeremy-albrecht-josh-hill-cameron-mc…
Thank you for digging that up.
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miketherider 10/15/2020 10:17am
10/15/2020 10:17am
An LOI has been rumored to been signed, but those in sports sponsorship deal are about as valuable as the paper they print them on. Teasdale making some appearances at the end of the nationals is a good sign. JBone said he will not make any offers until things between Suzuki and the potential sponsor are signed and delivered.

Hopefully with the new Suzuki president and increased sales, we continue to see JGR race well into the future.
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Motofinne wrote:
Well... They might have had full factory equipment but it is known that their Suzuki deal was economically worse from day one compared to what they...
Well... They might have had full factory equipment but it is known that their Suzuki deal was economically worse from day one compared to what they had with Yamaha. From an economic standpoint, they took a step backwards. They are not a normal factory team, not at all.
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
This is 110% wrong. The Zook deal was better from A-Z.

Clearly you have no info at any level
Dirty Points wrote:
Matthes said and JBone didn't dispute in a Pulp interview that the Yamaha deal had more money attached, but they were going with Suzuki for other...
Matthes said and JBone didn't dispute in a Pulp interview that the Yamaha deal had more money attached, but they were going with Suzuki for other reasons.

Matthes: Suzuki. How weird is that?
Albrecht: Maybe not the smartest thing. But it will be, long-term
Matthes: Why is that?
Albrecht: Well, you know, financially...And it's late.
Matthes: My sources tell me Yamaha's offer was probably better than Suzuki's, but you guys are just looking for a switch, looking for some spark...
Albrecht: ...Yeah, just... Exactly, yup.

http://pulpmx.com/podcast/show-272-jeremy-albrecht-josh-hill-cameron-mc…
If I remember correctly, Jeremy stated that Suzuki would give them more direct support.
Dirty Points 10/15/2020 11:24am
10/15/2020 11:24am Edited Date/Time 10/15/2020 11:26am
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
This is 110% wrong. The Zook deal was better from A-Z.

Clearly you have no info at any level
Dirty Points wrote:
Matthes said and JBone didn't dispute in a Pulp interview that the Yamaha deal had more money attached, but they were going with Suzuki for other...
Matthes said and JBone didn't dispute in a Pulp interview that the Yamaha deal had more money attached, but they were going with Suzuki for other reasons.

Matthes: Suzuki. How weird is that?
Albrecht: Maybe not the smartest thing. But it will be, long-term
Matthes: Why is that?
Albrecht: Well, you know, financially...And it's late.
Matthes: My sources tell me Yamaha's offer was probably better than Suzuki's, but you guys are just looking for a switch, looking for some spark...
Albrecht: ...Yeah, just... Exactly, yup.

http://pulpmx.com/podcast/show-272-jeremy-albrecht-josh-hill-cameron-mc…
Zycki11 wrote:
If I remember correctly, Jeremy stated that Suzuki would give them more direct support.
Even if so (no mention of it in the interview, just confirmation that Yamaha offer was better), how is that better from "A-to-Z"?
That would be more: A is better on this deal, Z is better on the other.
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Question 10/15/2020 11:44am
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DeeJay wrote:
With Geico Honda closing its doors in 2020, no team is immune from plugging the plug.

I am surprised it took 8 years to make your first post.

You may be insider so sorry for this welcoming "STFU Noob" lol
Sr_Vet_Rider 10/15/2020 11:48am
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Zycki11 wrote:
JGR has a casino deal for 21
Hopefully it pans out. This has been brewing for a long time.
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mb60 10/15/2020 11:52am
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The sport is better with JGR in it either way.
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OLDMOTO 10/15/2020 12:01pm
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The sport is better off with every team and every bit of support or sponsorship regardless of the size or amount. We should all appreciate and support anyone that contributes.
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