17 CRF linkage snapped off frame

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Bruce372 9/16/2017 3:17pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
I blame the stupid air forks
Motodork wrote:
The 2017 and 2018 Honda CRF450R didn't have air forks.
exactly!!!!
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mxwrench66 9/16/2017 4:53pm
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Lastander wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/09/16/215001/s1200_IMG_5770.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/09/16/215002/s1200_IMG_5771.jpg[/img] Noticed that my subframe had separated on the left side and cracked on the right side after todays race, no crashes. Also overheated the...





Noticed that my subframe had separated on the left side and cracked on the right side after todays race, no crashes.
Also overheated the engine, ran it dry and bent my cylinder head, good times
Jesus Christ. How many hours were on this thing.? the plastic has almost worn through the entire surname. I'd say this is just a case of excessive wear.
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aeffertz 9/16/2017 5:35pm
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Consider your friend lucky. The shock was about to rebound so hard and throw him over the bars (See: Roczen, Gasjer, etc.) but it rebounded so hard in fact it broke through the mount. Hondas are known to do that, he dodged a bullet.

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gpracer36 9/16/2017 6:16pm
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at least it wasn't a YZF with the frame broke in half. Yamaha has a HUGE problem!

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IceMan446 9/16/2017 6:27pm
9/16/2017 6:27pm
MSM wrote:
Yes chances are this wouldn't have happened with a orange bike. After taking delivery of his shiny new expensive orange machine he would of have had...
Yes chances are this wouldn't have happened with a orange bike. After taking delivery of his shiny new expensive orange machine he would of have had the pleasure of disassembling it to grease bearings properly at which point someone would have applied proper torque specs. All sarcasm aside I am interested in seeing if Honda takes care of this for him.
newmann wrote:
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was...
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was from the factory. It's almost as if the people assembling them gave a shit about what they were doing unlike many other brands I have owned. Also, the factory powdercoat was bulletproof, couldn't even sandblast the stuff off. Again, unlike any steel framed Japanese bike I have ever owned where half the paint flaked off of the welds after a few rides
My husky had next to nothing for grease.

And don't even ask about the grease they are suppose to have in the air forks, again almost nothing.
mattyhamz2 9/16/2017 7:17pm
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MSM wrote:
Yes chances are this wouldn't have happened with a orange bike. After taking delivery of his shiny new expensive orange machine he would of have had...
Yes chances are this wouldn't have happened with a orange bike. After taking delivery of his shiny new expensive orange machine he would of have had the pleasure of disassembling it to grease bearings properly at which point someone would have applied proper torque specs. All sarcasm aside I am interested in seeing if Honda takes care of this for him.
newmann wrote:
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was...
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was from the factory. It's almost as if the people assembling them gave a shit about what they were doing unlike many other brands I have owned. Also, the factory powdercoat was bulletproof, couldn't even sandblast the stuff off. Again, unlike any steel framed Japanese bike I have ever owned where half the paint flaked off of the welds after a few rides
Same with my buddies 17 yz450. I ripped it all apart to lube everything up and everything was greased really well. I still did it anyways, but it was the first time I had seen a bike come from the factory with that much grease
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JM485 9/16/2017 7:42pm
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Amazing that you purchase a product that has a sticker on the rear fender that says " This Honda is sold as is and has no...
Amazing that you purchase a product that has a sticker on the rear fender that says " This Honda is sold as is and has no warranty from defects " and yet you expect Honda to take care of it.
That's a pretty blatant material defect failure if it happened at 2 hours, I would damn well expect a company to cover a massively defective product regardless of what a sticker says. To think the owner should be on the hook for this is insane.
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RandyS 9/16/2017 7:52pm
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They need to make that mount out of steel like the peg mounts. It would allow the aftermarket modifiers to mess with locations too.
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ZXMustang 9/16/2017 8:49pm
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Its going to be an up hill battle with a Honda factory warranty claim like that. My sons 18 CRF50 had a nasty metallic rattle coming from the font forks from minute one. The dealer had to fight with Honda for 3 weeks to get them to finally approve all the diag time as well as the repair and parts costs to get the bike right. I learned pretty fast that the factory warranty on a new dirt bike is basically for show. We were almost unable to get honda to pay on something that was CLEARLY a factory defect on a brand new 50cc kids bike with zero hours. Let alone a big bike that was ridden who knows how hard. Good luck though.
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Lastander 9/16/2017 10:08pm
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Any tire rubbing rear fender marks? Did you change the engine hangers or unbolt part of gas tank? (I think I remember some guys doing that...
Any tire rubbing rear fender marks? Did you change the engine hangers or unbolt part of gas tank? (I think I remember some guys doing that to their 17's).

Damn on the engine. Did you race moto or hare scramble?
Nope nothing, bike is stock except for a TTX flow shock and yoshimura.
2 25 minute motos in the mud took care of my engine, gonna race my 06 cr250 in todays finals instead Woohoo
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mxwrench66 wrote:
Jesus Christ. How many hours were on this thing.? the plastic has almost worn through the entire surname. I'd say this is just a case of...
Jesus Christ. How many hours were on this thing.? the plastic has almost worn through the entire surname. I'd say this is just a case of excessive wear.
The bike has 40 hours on it dude...
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seth505 9/17/2017 12:55am
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Lastander wrote:
The bike has 40 hours on it dude...
Ya, not sure how he saw those pics and thought he saw the subframe almost worn through. Looks like really normal/minor wear.
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jeffro503 9/17/2017 7:47am
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MSM wrote:
Yes chances are this wouldn't have happened with a orange bike. After taking delivery of his shiny new expensive orange machine he would of have had...
Yes chances are this wouldn't have happened with a orange bike. After taking delivery of his shiny new expensive orange machine he would of have had the pleasure of disassembling it to grease bearings properly at which point someone would have applied proper torque specs. All sarcasm aside I am interested in seeing if Honda takes care of this for him.
newmann wrote:
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was...
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was from the factory. It's almost as if the people assembling them gave a shit about what they were doing unlike many other brands I have owned. Also, the factory powdercoat was bulletproof, couldn't even sandblast the stuff off. Again, unlike any steel framed Japanese bike I have ever owned where half the paint flaked off of the welds after a few rides
IceMan446 wrote:
My husky had next to nothing for grease. And don't even ask about the grease they are suppose to have in the air forks, again almost...
My husky had next to nothing for grease.

And don't even ask about the grease they are suppose to have in the air forks, again almost nothing.
Yeah mine too. I mean there was a little here and there , but not much. Me personally though , I've always thought it was a good idea to tear down your new bike and make sure everything is greased and tourqed correctly. We spend a lot of money on these bikes and they get punished pretty hard , so why not protect that investment a little? Better to be safe then sorry.
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NATEP231 9/17/2017 8:03am
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Happened right in front of me. Small triple off, might have shorted it by a foot but nothing out of the norm. It was just really weird it broke in the exact same places on all 3 drop outs.
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IceMan446 9/17/2017 9:11pm
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Yeah mine too. I mean there was a little here and there , but not much. Me personally though , I've always thought it was a...
Yeah mine too. I mean there was a little here and there , but not much. Me personally though , I've always thought it was a good idea to tear down your new bike and make sure everything is greased and tourqed correctly. We spend a lot of money on these bikes and they get punished pretty hard , so why not protect that investment a little? Better to be safe then sorry.
I'm with ya man.

I broke mine in 3-4 hours and tore it all down.

Greased everything and torqued everything to spec. Was good to work on it being that I came from riding a Yamaha before.

I also frame my bike every 10 hours, paranoia makes me haha
SmokinJoe439 9/17/2017 10:13pm
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So Honda changed the linkage mounting on the frame. Two smaller bolts instead of the U shape with one larger bolt.

2017


2012 - what it was like till '16.



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Crush 9/17/2017 11:15pm
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I'm with ya man. I broke mine in 3-4 hours and tore it all down. Greased everything and torqued everything to spec. Was good to work...
I'm with ya man.

I broke mine in 3-4 hours and tore it all down.

Greased everything and torqued everything to spec. Was good to work on it being that I came from riding a Yamaha before.

I also frame my bike every 10 hours, paranoia makes me haha
10 hours to frame! Fuckin hell mate, that's anal!
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tek14 9/18/2017 12:03am
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Friend of mine broke same linkage after 3h riding. Bike was one of first ones so he had to wait more than 2 months to get new frame. Posted some photos on older topic but just got all honda lovers angry..

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omalley 9/18/2017 4:09am
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Lastander wrote:
The bike has 40 hours on it dude...
seth505 wrote:
Ya, not sure how he saw those pics and thought he saw the subframe almost worn through. Looks like really normal/minor wear.
I think he's referring to the step in the tubing in the lower pic, just left of the hanger.
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sandman768 9/18/2017 5:07am
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MSM wrote:
Yes chances are this wouldn't have happened with a orange bike. After taking delivery of his shiny new expensive orange machine he would of have had...
Yes chances are this wouldn't have happened with a orange bike. After taking delivery of his shiny new expensive orange machine he would of have had the pleasure of disassembling it to grease bearings properly at which point someone would have applied proper torque specs. All sarcasm aside I am interested in seeing if Honda takes care of this for him.
newmann wrote:
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was...
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was from the factory. It's almost as if the people assembling them gave a shit about what they were doing unlike many other brands I have owned. Also, the factory powdercoat was bulletproof, couldn't even sandblast the stuff off. Again, unlike any steel framed Japanese bike I have ever owned where half the paint flaked off of the welds after a few rides
IceMan446 wrote:
My husky had next to nothing for grease. And don't even ask about the grease they are suppose to have in the air forks, again almost...
My husky had next to nothing for grease.

And don't even ask about the grease they are suppose to have in the air forks, again almost nothing.
All my Ktm"s have been greased good from the factory, The seals also work very good at keeping the water out & grease in. I usually donot grease my new Ktm"s until the first fork & shock serVice around at the 15-20 hr mark. I should also note that I use pressure washer very sparingly...
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richter28 9/18/2017 8:29am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
That's why I buy yamaha. 30 day warranty Tongue
Right just like KTM... KTM will fix nearly anything if you bring it to a dealer and let them do the correct documentation and warranty processing. After dozens of broken tranny gears we've seen, KTM has paid for each full motor rebuild.

Hell, we had a guy angry that his for seal seeped within 5 hours, called KTM just to quiet him down, low and behold KTM okays the parts and labor for a seal replacement...
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BobPA 9/18/2017 8:35am
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newmann wrote:
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was...
Funny you mention that. When I took my shiny new KTM apart to paint the frame orange, I was surprised at how well greased everything was from the factory. It's almost as if the people assembling them gave a shit about what they were doing unlike many other brands I have owned. Also, the factory powdercoat was bulletproof, couldn't even sandblast the stuff off. Again, unlike any steel framed Japanese bike I have ever owned where half the paint flaked off of the welds after a few rides
IceMan446 wrote:
My husky had next to nothing for grease. And don't even ask about the grease they are suppose to have in the air forks, again almost...
My husky had next to nothing for grease.

And don't even ask about the grease they are suppose to have in the air forks, again almost nothing.
sandman768 wrote:
All my Ktm"s have been greased good from the factory, The seals also work very good at keeping the water out & grease in. I usually...
All my Ktm"s have been greased good from the factory, The seals also work very good at keeping the water out & grease in. I usually donot grease my new Ktm"s until the first fork & shock serVice around at the 15-20 hr mark. I should also note that I use pressure washer very sparingly...
My 2011 350 was greased well. My '17 450 must have been a Friday job as there was not much in the linkage. I broke it down and greased everything after break in. I will frame it over the winter just to check everything out. Nearly 30 hours on the bike and everything still feels like it came off the showroom floor.
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JBecker 72 9/18/2017 8:56am
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At least I wasn't wasting my time when I took apart my 16 KX450F after the break in ride.

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SmokinJoe439 wrote:
So Honda changed the linkage mounting on the frame. Two smaller bolts instead of the U shape with one larger bolt. 2017 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/09/17/215281/s1200_images_16.jpg[/img] 2012 - what...
So Honda changed the linkage mounting on the frame. Two smaller bolts instead of the U shape with one larger bolt.

2017


2012 - what it was like till '16.



Apparently I don't get out enough, is that mount on the swingarm adjustable?
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colintrax 9/18/2017 9:30am
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At least I wasn't wasting my time when I took apart my 16 KX450F after the break in ride. [img]https://s26.postimg.org/yqwpghavt/IMG_3409.jpg[/img]
At least I wasn't wasting my time when I took apart my 16 KX450F after the break in ride.

Good job cleaning the old grease off before putting in new grease Grinning
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Buckit 9/18/2017 12:17pm
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This maybe one of the ones mentioned above, I seen the pictures on Facebook earlier this year











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aeffertz 9/18/2017 2:23pm
9/18/2017 2:23pm
Another recall in the works? Not a good look for Honda.
Aceofspades 9/18/2017 3:50pm
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That mount with two small bolts is going to be a huge problem. Look for a solid, one long bolt mount next year, is bet.
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kiwifan 9/18/2017 5:52pm
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I wonder if the bolts were torqued correctly, I havent seen any 17 linkage failures until the couple now
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jarvinator 9/18/2017 6:34pm
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that $2k price spread is lookin' wayyyy cheaper now ! steel frame please.

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