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Man, I’m so pissed and so happy. Glad Webb maintains a safe lead in the points; Pissed Ken lost; Pissed Marv made a dumb mistake; Glad Marv did a healclicker; Glad Ricky is announcing, but pissed at Ricky’s stories; Glad it didn’t rain; Super pissed Reed is hurt; Pissed even more Chad lost the title in 2011; Pissed Chad crashed in Arlington in 2012; Sick to my stomach Hill has been sick to his stomach; Shommer F’in Shabbos! Okay, that felt good to get all that out. I’m stoked we have live racing (I’m being ridiculous and not serious, btw...

Just don't run Yamalube, that's definitely bad for a KTM.

I don`t see a kickstart either, must be electric start......

I heard that Suzuki is close to revealing theirs, too, they just have to figure out how to mount the kick starter and it’ll be ready!

What bike are they for? What would you like different from your stock clamps? There are a lot of Triple clamp options out there: Xtrig, Neken, Ride Engineering, DP Racing, Bud, Pro Circuit, Applied, BRP, Scar, Kite, probably some I'm forgetting, and of course Luxon. Some offer nothing more than bling (color anodized), others offer that plus various other features. Some main considerations in a clamp: Strength Really not an issue these days. A well designed set of clamps will be plenty strong assuming they've hit a reasonable stiffness target. If a particular manufacturer's clamps aren't strong enough, you'd hear...

Tomac is definitely going to show up to A1 next year on an Aprilia.

So what about the intended retaliation of Tomac trying to kick Webb????? JK!!!!!! haha

You're a jerk. Look, I don't agree with what GuyB said but I respect him and name calling is taking the low road. The guy literally spends his working hours covering a sport we love, and most of the time it's a thankless job. Even if you disagree, show some respect and be a grown ass man.

Imagine if the NFL started giving penalties based on intent. A defensive lineman jumps off sides and gets a sack. But the officials dont think he did it on purpose so the play stands as a sack.

I like Webb, I like Tomac, I don't like Webb landing on boundary markers after a mistake he made cutting the track and getting rewarded with a pass. Webb fucked up, then the panel of judges fucked up, clear case of they fucked this one up lol Best part is seeing GuyB go full vitard. GuyB welcome to vitardem. How's it feel?

The great news is the AMA Supercross has some seriously invested fans. We've got fans reading rulebooks! Fans spending their free time on AutoCAD verifying their theories. Fans actually trying to explain to others why something like "intent" and officiating don't mix. I don't care what anyone says, those are some invested fans that truly care about the sport Bad news? Not only do the officials not officiate based on their official rules, the media, meant to be the middle ground between corporate interest and the fans that sustain the whole circus, just spat on those invested fans. Oh, and...

I need an officials ruling on something here. If we add in the two pages of this thread, the two pages of the “should Webb be penalized” poll thread, and the six pages of the original Webb should be penalized thread, then can we now classify this as an honest 10 pager? I’m thinking yes.

GuyB, you are calling nearly 50% of your viewers Vitards based on the poll. I'm one of the Vitards I guess, and I'm cool with that. But to answer your question, like others have said above, the pass was made in slide 4 when Tomac saw an Orange bike torpedoing at him from an off track angle. He let off and checked up, which wouldn't have happened if Webb was further behind him had he not cut the track, or "racecourse" per the rulebook. But this is still not the most relevant question that anyone should be asking. The question...

Who would argue it was intentional? Obviously not. The rules specify advantage gained. I couldn't care less, but Cooper doesn't make that exact pass without being in that position. Who's to say Eli doesn't melt down if he's not passed? He certainly doesn't have to lift his foot and cross rut in that corner without Coop's presence that far inside

He made a mess of the corner and was heading straight for Tomac. He made Tomac ‘check up’ as they say and then cut inside him. If he had followed the line into the corner I don’t think he would have passed him that lap on that corner. I am quite sure he would have got him very soon after but it’s about setting a precedent that to navigate the course the fastest and beat people you have to navigate the actual course.

I’ll side with your point of view and appreciate your insight on many things but that isn’t a counter argument. The accuracy involved in hitting your marks in an F1 car at the mind boggling speeds they travel at or the precision involved at somewhere like monaco is far far greater than rhythm sections, whoops and triples. In this instance I think his off track excursion was accidental but he should have had a time penalty applied. In F1 if you lock the brakes and miss a corner or a chicane you are penalized if you gain an advantage or...

Why are people Vitards if they simply disagree with this decision? Webb unintentionally left the track, accidentally gained an advantage and probably shouldn't have made the pass right there. Maybe dock him one position and move on. For the record, I am a KTM Fanboy, but what's right is right.

it happens directly after he beelines to the exact point where tomac is planning to turn down. again, but for his enhanced trajectory, he would not have made it to that point before Tomac did.

Good analysis of a guy who is trying his ass off to get back into race shape. Follow any Bogle interview and you would see there is definitely fire burning.

Top is from when they just got done, bottom was the most recent service. You can see the fade better on the right upper tube.