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bigk218 3/23/2019 11:34pm
3/23/2019 11:34pm
How in the hell can they penalize one rider and not the others. Not a math fan but if that’s how they justified his penalty shouldn’t others get the same. Shit just call this week a wash and don’t give anyone points.
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Hank_Thrill 3/23/2019 11:35pm
3/23/2019 11:35pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2019 11:39pm
Man, I’m so pissed and so happy. Glad Webb maintains a safe lead in the points; Pissed Ken lost; Pissed Marv made a dumb mistake; Glad Marv did a healclicker; Glad Ricky is announcing, but pissed at Ricky’s stories; Glad it didn’t rain; Super pissed Reed is hurt; Pissed even more Chad lost the title in 2011; Pissed Chad crashed in Arlington in 2012; Sick to my stomach Hill has been sick to his stomach; Shommer F’in Shabbos! Okay, that felt good to get all that out. I’m stoked we have live racing (I’m being ridiculous and not serious, btw. I just get amused at how much moaning goes on here).
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TropicPilot 3/23/2019 11:39pm
3/23/2019 11:39pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2019 11:52pm
So they took a win away from Dungey a couple of years ago for jumping on a bullshit red cross flag that he couldn't have seen, but Marv keeps this win for a blatant violation of the rule?

Yeah, that's inconsistent.
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dimetime 3/23/2019 11:40pm
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Gandorlf wrote:
But did he intend for it to happen? As apparently according to some users on here it's all to do with intent now. What a shit...
But did he intend for it to happen? As apparently according to some users on here it's all to do with intent now. What a shit show.
Yeah dipshit he clearly intended to ya shit stirrer. When ya jump three doubles in a row it's intentional.

Not very clever either troll boy.
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milliebays 3/23/2019 11:43pm
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Gandorlf wrote:
But did he intend for it to happen? As apparently according to some users on here it's all to do with intent now. What a shit...
But did he intend for it to happen? As apparently according to some users on here it's all to do with intent now. What a shit show.
dimetime wrote:
Yeah dipshit he clearly intended to ya shit stirrer. When ya jump three doubles in a row it's intentional.

Not very clever either troll boy.
Hes referring to guyBs defense of the call on webbs track cutting last week where guyB IIRC implied that intent was a factor in determining whether a violation had occurred.
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mx617 3/23/2019 11:44pm
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TropicPilot wrote:
So they took a win away from Dungey a couple of years ago for jumping on a bullshit red cross flag that he couldn't have seen...
So they took a win away from Dungey a couple of years ago for jumping on a bullshit red cross flag that he couldn't have seen, but Marv keeps this win for a blatant violation of the rule?

Yeah, that's inconsistent.
Holy fuck do none of you pay attention to the multitude of posts and previous rulings that explain the rule was changed after dungey lost his win?
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TDeath21 3/23/2019 11:48pm
3/23/2019 11:48pm
I hate the way the rule book is on this. You've gotta give the 2nd and 3rd place guys the points for 1st and 2nd. Especially Roczen since he saw it occur and backed off. Furthermore, had he not jumped, Roczen very well could/would have overtaken him there when he got close to his back tire.
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TropicPilot 3/23/2019 11:49pm
3/23/2019 11:49pm
TropicPilot wrote:
So they took a win away from Dungey a couple of years ago for jumping on a bullshit red cross flag that he couldn't have seen...
So they took a win away from Dungey a couple of years ago for jumping on a bullshit red cross flag that he couldn't have seen, but Marv keeps this win for a blatant violation of the rule?

Yeah, that's inconsistent.
mx617 wrote:
Holy fuck do none of you pay attention to the multitude of posts and previous rulings that explain the rule was changed after dungey lost his...
Holy fuck do none of you pay attention to the multitude of posts and previous rulings that explain the rule was changed after dungey lost his win?
Enlighten us, there, Aristotle.
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freebroctickle 3/23/2019 11:51pm
3/23/2019 11:51pm Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 12:11am
What a bunch of whiny chicks you are. His penalty was LITERALLY BY THE BOOK. He fucked up, and received the properly prescribed penalty. What would you all rather see, a public shaming? And let's not kid ourselves, reverse the roles and I guarantee this place would be acting VERRRRY differently.
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dimetime 3/23/2019 11:52pm
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Gandorlf wrote:
But did he intend for it to happen? As apparently according to some users on here it's all to do with intent now. What a shit...
But did he intend for it to happen? As apparently according to some users on here it's all to do with intent now. What a shit show.
dimetime wrote:
Yeah dipshit he clearly intended to ya shit stirrer. When ya jump three doubles in a row it's intentional.

Not very clever either troll boy.
milliebays wrote:
Hes referring to guyBs defense of the call on webbs track cutting last week where guyB IIRC implied that intent was a factor in determining whether...
Hes referring to guyBs defense of the call on webbs track cutting last week where guyB IIRC implied that intent was a factor in determining whether a violation had occurred.
I get exactly what he was attempting to do, it was just stupid, irrelevant and not very well executed.
mxlegend99 3/23/2019 11:55pm
3/23/2019 11:55pm
Well the series is over now. 7 points stolen from the points chase on Webb. KTM lose points from Musquin but its still a win for them since Webb is advantaged by this.

Roczen and Tomac should have gained the position and points. They got robbed. As did the fans. Unless Webb has a DNF, he's unbeatable. Gotta admire him for that. Like Dungey he somehow manages to make the best of a bad night. Bit of luck. But he puts himself in position to take the most of these opportunities.
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wr74 3/24/2019 12:20am
3/24/2019 12:20am
What a joke. Jumping on the Red Cross flag is a SAFETY issue. If it’s ok to do so and you can still win a race by doing so, it’s game on.
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mattyhamz2 3/24/2019 12:29am
3/24/2019 12:29am
Even RV had something to say

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speed_racer 3/24/2019 1:06am
3/24/2019 1:06am
Swap will interview Galagher and we'll get to the bottom of this.
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Doddy 3/24/2019 1:06am
3/24/2019 1:06am
We had probably the best view possible aside from a seat row in front of us. It was predicted and we couldn't believe he actually did it. He absolutely saw it and charged anyways.
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Talisker 3/24/2019 1:12am
3/24/2019 1:12am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 1:14am
Even though i disagree with the call, at least the did not rush to judgement. They waited till after the race, met, reviewed, discussed, then decided on the call. I guess we are getting somewhere....
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Lucifa. 3/24/2019 1:14am
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freebroctickle wrote:
What a bunch of whiny chicks you are. His penalty was LITERALLY BY THE BOOK. He fucked up, and received the properly prescribed penalty. What would...
What a bunch of whiny chicks you are. His penalty was LITERALLY BY THE BOOK. He fucked up, and received the properly prescribed penalty. What would you all rather see, a public shaming? And let's not kid ourselves, reverse the roles and I guarantee this place would be acting VERRRRY differently.
I’m pretty sure Brock Tickles will be by the book too when they finally get around to it.
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jorgechavez 3/24/2019 1:25am
3/24/2019 1:25am
I don't understand the issue here, they made the ruling based on the rulebook. I'd have to go and read it but I'm guessing there were a bunch of people here saying that Dungey's win in Detroit shouldn't have been stripped from him and given to Anderson. So now that the rulebook has been changed based on that incident there is an issue? My only guess is that people want Kenny to win a race so bad that they want him to get it any means possible?
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AceDudemeister 3/24/2019 1:35am
3/24/2019 1:35am
jock wrote:
And the circus continues. How the fuck can you be penalised, but still win?
How did Webb cut the course putting himself in position to block the racer in front of him, block him, and then take the position without penalty?
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Crush 3/24/2019 1:39am
3/24/2019 1:39am
Marv missed the flag, which means he didn’t mean it which means he shouldn’t be penalised.
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GeorgiePorgie 3/24/2019 1:45am
3/24/2019 1:45am
Jeopardizing track crew, downed riders and medical crew. Apparently worth 7 points.

Seems legit. Not.
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DFWracefan 3/24/2019 1:51am
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So he sees the Red Cross flag and singles the first two jumps and doubles past the downed rider and doubles again......yet instead of following their rule book. They make an exception? I am pretty certain a few other riders would have been docked the points, forfeited the win and made an example of.....but let’s just let it slide this time....

Shaking my head....
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DFWracefan 3/24/2019 1:53am
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Crush wrote:
Marv missed the flag, which means he didn’t mean it which means he shouldn’t be penalised.
So why did he single the first two? I mean I missed the 75 mph speed limit sign but the officer gave me a ticket for 84mph......I didn’t mean it so he should not have penalized me.
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Question 3/24/2019 2:05am
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mx617 wrote:
Dafuq is everyone so pissy about? He got penalized exactly what the rulebook states. Instead of a 7 point gap it stays at 14. You guys...
Dafuq is everyone so pissy about? He got penalized exactly what the rulebook states. Instead of a 7 point gap it stays at 14. You guys wants him hung and quartered? Or you just want to make up rules for the guy you don't like?
Exactly.

Here is the rule change explained, and the sentence is consistent, so I have no complain, just bummed;
https://motocrossactionmag.com/did-you-know-the-amas-jumping-the-red-cr…

Personally I am mad too because 7 points is a lot. There is so much technology these days that this info could be easily transmitted to the helmets, which is the most important as it would be safer for the attended rider and the medical crew.

Also, the previous rule was a bit less strict, When Dungey got penalized (well it was a differention situation too), he got docked 2 spots, so 5 points. At the end of the championship 2 points can be big, even if it is just to keep applying the pressure. https://racerxonline.com/2016/03/19/ryan-dungey-penalized-jason-anderso…

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Question 3/24/2019 2:14am
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Jeopardizing track crew, downed riders and medical crew. Apparently worth 7 points.

Seems legit. Not.
So what would be legit ?

For your info, he was the first to come on the incident, so maybe if you lead a 450 sx race you watch your lines more than anything, especially when you know the track crew often wave yellow flags everywhere for no reason. It was a mistake, but it costs him a lot of points !!!
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Motofinne 3/24/2019 2:24am
3/24/2019 2:24am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 3:27am
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year.

And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting the "win". Have you all forgot the absolute outrage that came from when they took a win from Dungey when he jumped on the red cross flag? That is probably the reason why they have decided to go with this penalty the last couple of years.
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Crush 3/24/2019 2:45am
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Crush wrote:
Marv missed the flag, which means he didn’t mean it which means he shouldn’t be penalised.
DFWracefan wrote:
So why did he single the first two? I mean I missed the 75 mph speed limit sign but the officer gave me a ticket for...
So why did he single the first two? I mean I missed the 75 mph speed limit sign but the officer gave me a ticket for 84mph......I didn’t mean it so he should not have penalized me.
Exactly bro. Intent doesn't matter.
fullfloater 3/24/2019 3:18am
3/24/2019 3:18am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 3:20am
Tough night for quite a few riders. and the AMA!

Heats were so good and the mains a bit of a snooze -- until this drama. Which turned out to be a snooze too.

Whoop Monster Wilson was a highlight.

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