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The lights were obviously on for Brown and Bennick.
The issue is that usually its just a points penalty, which effectively penalizes Shimoda because even if Brown/Bennick get docked, Shimoda misses out on the 3 points he would've had from the win.
The issue here is that, it is only a POSITION penalty (which would give Shimoda the 3 points), if Shimoda gets passed while others jump. But here, he got passed on the next jump which he couldn't jump because of the loss in momentum.
So it's a gray area. You technically can't say he got passed on the jump where the violation occurred, thereby justifying a points penalty (not position).
But you could also argue (if you're Honda), the only reason he got passed was because he had to roll and didn't have speed for the finish line, so he technically did get passed because of the red lights, thereby justifying the position penalty (giving Jo the full points).
It is a gray area, but IMO the Race Director needs to make the call, and give Jo the full points, because the pass occurred because of the red lights even if it wasn't on that exact jump.
Jo won last night in Arlington, but Brown certainly was fast. And how bout Bennick?
Sucks this race was stained by Feld and the AMA
I would say their social media people jumped out ahead of the people who finalize the results. Social media is not the official record. The official results are still provisional. It may end up being a total screw job, but until it’s official nobody can draw any conclusions. While the Brown-Shimoda piece seems relatively straight forward, I think sorting ALL the riders is the challenge.
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I’m not disagreeing with you on that part, the person running the IG doesn’t finalize the results. This was more in regard to your pitchfork comment, when the official IG states Pierce is the winner (and continues to, as they haven’t taken it down), of course people will be up in arms thinking that it is the official result.
Apparently AMA is saying because the situation was clear, Jo should’ve ignored the lights and jumped anyways, thus Brown and Bennick won’t get penalized.
That is a complete 180 on precedence. In the past even if the situation was clear, riders would get penalized as long as there was red lights or flags (when they should’ve stopped) to ensure absolute precaution and safety. Believe this is what happened with the Dean Wilson situation in the past.
That is a complete joke for AMA to switch up their positions after years of the other ruling. Completely unfair to the riders because there is no way you can expect riders to scan for riders off the track to see if the situation is clear. They need to keep their eyes ahead of them to focus on the jumps they are doing so they don’t get cross rutted.
This is simple. Pierce Brown made a pass for the lead when the red lights were flashing and he jumped when he shouldn't have.
You're not allowed to win like that. Jo deserves redemption.
That post was also from Field correct? They are the promoters, and only care about hype, this helps them. If the results get turned over due to AMA, so be it, but in their eyes, they probably need to make a post that night. They can't wait 3 days due to the AMA's inability to make a decision
That is plain stupid, their basically telling the riders to make a judgment call, on a red light. Many will go for it if they think they can thread the needle.
So, in this case, for the 450 main, if the rider wasn't near the finish line jump, no penalties should be given out either. Red cross flag... Judgment call. Insane.
It’s a shit show for sure. We just don’t yet know exactly how the shit show plays out.
If that’s really the AMA’s stance - that since there wasn’t really an incident warranting the light it’s ok to jump despite the light - then their position is absurd. The point of the light is to give the riders clear direction about what to do - the light is on, you don’t jump. If it’s now a matter of the light is on so you determine whether the light needs to be on and either jump or not depending on the situation, then the light is useless. You want to take that safety decision out of the rider’s hands and that’s what why they have the light. It’s a “don’t jump” light, not a “use your discretion” light. The rider has his focus on his race and it’s absurd to expect them to start assessing whether or not a caution light should be obeyed.
So fucking stupid just to save face because they got it wrong. This giving the go ahead to set a precedent that any rider encountering a red light in the future can just dismiss it and claim they made a judgment call.
If that's actually AMA's position on this then they are sending a pretty clear signal on how they view rider safety......
Ummm, Dungey!
Got a win taken away.
What a shit show and for RacerX to post that without questioning the decision is crazy. How can they justify penalizing someone in the future after setting this precedent, they might as well get rid of the lights
I just can't believe it...
They (the ama) have ALWAYS stuck to their guns on this. Its always been "sorry, but this is the rule, we HAVE to hold a hard line on this".
Which, at times has sucked, but at least they held their stance....
THIS is when the media needs to flex hard on the ama.
This is absolutely ridiculous if they don't penalize Bennick and Brown. I don't know how it could possibly be any more clear what the decision should be. They nailed Hunter on this a year or two ago, didn't they? Red light was on but the hazard was gone, Hunter jumped and they penalized him. It was the right call then, and will always be the right call. It's not up for discretion.
Ezra and J-Bone have some 'splaining to do
Pit Row
I usually dont weigh in much when the AMA shows their ass. But, holy shit, is this completely fucked. Jo should have ignored the lights?! I'm sorry, what?! Setting a precedent that the riders needs to calculate whether to ignore the red lights in split second instances in the future? Bravo AMA. Bravo
Damar Hamlin game.
The NFL has officiating controversies all the time but you are correct regardless of result everything is decided by the time the game is over.
I’m not sure if there is a provision in the AMA rulebook but they should have caught the mistake mid race and Pierce should have given the spot back and then game on. That’s how F1 operates and then we don’t have this dumb situation.
Why is anyone surprised by any of this? The AMA is a complete joke and has been for along time. Has anyone ever paid attention to how useless they are at the races. The rule above jumping on a red light is clear as day in the rule book and they are not enforcing there own rules. If not for offering insurance to local tracks why this clown show still have a spot in this sport.
That's gonna get Brown and Bennick some dockage of points, my bros.
Cough cough fixed as fukkk.... cough cough...
Can't watch this chit anymore because of the split screen... and even what's on the spilt screen isn't what we should be seeing..
Can't listen to this chit anymore cause rc talks like a non schooled practice track bruh....
And none of the fuking rules seem to matter anymore... so it's not even fair....
Unfuking watchable....
And...
Honda just gonna let this chit stand???? Wow... just wow.... feld be pissing on everybody (except star who gets special attention)....
Fixed fixed fixeddddd
Honda said the ama is going to let Jo bank the incident. Before end of east sx Jo is able to jump on red one time with out being penalized.
My guess is they want to involve some kind of AMA appeal committee for input and they haven't been available for review decision.
Normally, at race day, the race director can make decisions, that rider can appeal to supervisor or jury assigned for that race within the 30min time slot, and that decision in turn can be appealed to AMA racing committee.
This should however be quiet clear cut. Lights on, no jumping. No matter the reason. Riders didn't know there wasn't a reason.
Dont have the energy to ask Claud if SX is run the same way.
This is even funnier since you know they would really pull some shit like this
So to be clear, you guys are suggesting a full course caution situation, correct? Do you let the field bunch back up or do you make them keep the same gap? That would be a total game changer.
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