SMX Gimmick

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9/7/2025 5:51am

Anyone else feel like society is just getting dumber and dumber and everyone is so on edge that they have emotional meltdowns/lash out to deal with all the anger they're feeling? Because a dirt bike race ran 2 motos instead of 4 due to logistics?

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9/7/2025 5:55am
Talon wrote:
Same can be said for this thread. You dont like my opinion? Fuck off and move on. The promoters could just as easily dedicate that money to...

Same can be said for this thread. You dont like my opinion? Fuck off and move on.

 

The promoters could just as easily dedicate that money to the standings of the grand national champion type thing. The only reason this series exists is to get your ticket money so they can give peanuts to the riders

lostboy819 wrote:
The only reason the SMX exists is because the WSX was taking a bunch of the riders who would rather race SX than the nationals so...

The only reason the SMX exists is because the WSX was taking a bunch of the riders who would rather race SX than the nationals so Feld got together with MX sports to save the outdoors. As soon as the WSX is gone for good so will the SMX races. How the hell dont you know that?

So confidently wrong lol

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9/7/2025 6:08am

The sport is a business, no shit Feld and MX Sport did this for money. You guys are acting like they're embezzling money from a charity. The races suck, sure, but if that's what they had to do to package the series together for the NBC deal as they've said then so be it, it did result in more money for the riders and better TV coverage for fans. They've got a million kinks to work out but that doesn't mean they're purposely scheming up ways to fuck everyone. So many people talking out their asses on here it's unbelievable. 

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9/7/2025 6:10am
Robgvx wrote:

I hate these SMX tracks. It’s like they combined the worst aspects of motocross and supercross. 

Amen 

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9/7/2025 6:23am
Robgvx wrote:

I hate these SMX tracks. It’s like they combined the worst aspects of motocross and supercross. 

I don’t have a problem with the tracks, I like the Daytona-ish tracks and venues since the modern bikes has grown out the regular stadiums.


But it would be refreshing to see a larger variety of tracks at the SMX. Like a shortened national track with SX obstacles built in to it. 

I feel that the current SMX tracks has become more and more the same when it should be the place to build some really exciting stuff.

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9/7/2025 6:24am

There is a vocal minority in this forum who complain about everything and they do not represent majority of moto fans..it’s the same members who constantly bash all the riders..etc..

Nothing gimmicky about SMX, it’s more racing, the mix of sx and mx tracks are cool, the rider payout it great, it’s a legit title, the racers like it, fans like it..all that. 

What depresses me is the thought that only two more weekends of this racing plus mx on nations and then nothing until Jan ‘26.

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Robgvx wrote:

I hate these SMX tracks. It’s like they combined the worst aspects of motocross and supercross. 

Amen 

It’s like, imagine the worst Supercross track, then combine it with the worst motocross track you can think of. 

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The sport is a business, no shit Feld and MX Sport did this for money. You guys are acting like they're embezzling money from a charity...

The sport is a business, no shit Feld and MX Sport did this for money. You guys are acting like they're embezzling money from a charity. The races suck, sure, but if that's what they had to do to package the series together for the NBC deal as they've said then so be it, it did result in more money for the riders and better TV coverage for fans. They've got a million kinks to work out but that doesn't mean they're purposely scheming up ways to fuck everyone. So many people talking out their asses on here it's unbelievable. 

Yea it’s just a bunch of grown men bitching that don’t know what an emotion is. 

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9/7/2025 6:29am
Robgvx wrote:

I hate these SMX tracks. It’s like they combined the worst aspects of motocross and supercross. 

Amen 

Robgvx wrote:

It’s like, imagine the worst Supercross track, then combine it with the worst motocross track you can think of. 

I think he got it the first time, no need to repeat yourself 😆

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9/7/2025 6:47am

I just hope the promoters make an effort to somehow compensate the fans in  attendance who didn't get what they paid for.

Not gonna happen. They don’t care about the fans

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9/7/2025 6:57am
Robgvx wrote:

I hate these SMX tracks. It’s like they combined the worst aspects of motocross and supercross. 

Tumic wrote:
I don’t have a problem with the tracks, I like the Daytona-ish tracks and venues since the modern bikes has grown out the regular stadiums.But it...

I don’t have a problem with the tracks, I like the Daytona-ish tracks and venues since the modern bikes has grown out the regular stadiums.


But it would be refreshing to see a larger variety of tracks at the SMX. Like a shortened national track with SX obstacles built in to it. 

I feel that the current SMX tracks has become more and more the same when it should be the place to build some really exciting stuff.

In my opinion Daytona should be part of the Playoff. One of the biggest problems they have is the venues and atmosphere and Daytona SX is one of the few rounds of the year that is prestigious all on it's own, so figure out a way to have another race in the speedway as 1 of the 3, maybe even the Final. They don't really have any major events in September that would be a conflict as all of the football and baseball stadiums do so it should be feasible. Make the middle round just a regular motocross race that rotates between the 10 non-Pala national tracks, and then I guess Vegas for the other one and I feel like the whole thing would be way better.

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9/7/2025 7:21am
I was pumped to watch the racing today and thought the track was an awesome layout.  But I dont know how you legitimize a race where...

I was pumped to watch the racing today and thought the track was an awesome layout.  But I dont know how you legitimize a race where you only get one moto because they chose an outdoor venue with no lights and a track that was considered too dangerous to race if rained.

 

There's $1.5m on the line and they just cancel half the event.  I understand there were weather circumstances but this just seems extremely amateur.

agn5008 wrote:
It wasn’t considered too dangerous to ride after the rain. The race has to be suspended if lightening is within a certain amount of miles. That’s...

It wasn’t considered too dangerous to ride after the rain. The race has to be suspended if lightening is within a certain amount of miles. That’s not FELD, AMA or anyone having absolutely anything to do with racing making that decision. That’s the policy for literally every single stadium in the country (which is a requirement through their insurance companies). Literally any event taking place at that venue would have been suspended due to the lightening. 

I don’t like that there was only one moto per class either. But if you’re going to be upset, at least be upset with the correct people. You know damn well that if it was possible to have the remaining motos they would have. Sunday may not have been realistic. These venues are rented for certain dates and times. FELD can’t just decide on a whim that they’re going to reschedule the races for Sunday. They don’t own the venue and they don’t get to make just make those types of decisions. It’s almost like you renting out a venue for your wedding on Saturday then you catch a stomach bug and decide you’re going to have your wedding on Sunday. Now you expect the venue to allow you to use it as you please, all the caterers to adjust their schedules to fit yours, the photographer, the DJ, the bartenders, the cleaning crew, the attendees, so on and so forth to just be available to attend your wedding on Sunday because you decided to change it Saturday halfway through the evening. It’s not realistic and it’s absolutely absurd to even think that it is. 

Unless they had a really big close pile of dry dirt close by, they could have never got that track ready to ride today. 

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9/7/2025 7:23am
Talon wrote:
As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand...

As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand national champ with Webb and Jett taking their individual titles. 

Imagine doing the grind of this schedule without getting hurt, being consistent and getting the most points out of anyone... your reward? A measly 3 point advantage and a cancelled race out of the 3 races. What a joke. 

This series is about Feld and Mx sports greed and thats it. 

kxf250f176 wrote:
If you don't like it, don't watch it. That was one of the most difficult tracks we've seen the top athletes ride. A gimmick is Field...

If you don't like it, don't watch it. That was one of the most difficult tracks we've seen the top athletes ride. A gimmick is Field running a series that doesn't benefit anyone but them selves. The riders racing actually have a chance for good money. Let's watch the racing and stop complaining. 

Tumic wrote:
Most of us don’t have a problem with the SMX tracks or the racing that is provided.But we have a problem with the fake hype that...

Most of us don’t have a problem with the SMX tracks or the racing that is provided.

But we have a problem with the fake hype that we get shoved down our throats the whole year by Weege and RC. You know the crap with the ”most prestigious title in the world” the race that was invented and before one race even was held it got a world championship status, I mean you can’t make that shit up. 

I promise that I heard Weege, RC and JT say the phrase ”SMX World Champion” like 50 times during the broadcast before the first gate drop and then a couple of hundred times more during the two motos.

The constant blabber of double and triple points system JUST to be able to have a winner takes all scenario in the last race, that automatically takes away the edge of the first two races. 

If they treated this for what it is: a monster energy cup on steroids, then they would not get the same criticism that they get now. But at this point they are selling sand and calling it gold…

It’s not prestigious, it’s lucrative and while Feld and their trained monkeys continue to hype up this circus it’s just feels like an insult to both the riders and the fans that knows what it actually is. 

So most of us will watch it since we love motocross, but we don’t like to get treated like idiots while paying to watch it.

Truth.


Even in Kenny’s interview last night he was saying something along the lines that a poor result in the first race location doesn’t really matter because of the amount of points you get in the next two race locations. Series is a gimmick. 

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9/7/2025 7:25am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2025 7:26am
Robgvx wrote:

I hate these SMX tracks. It’s like they combined the worst aspects of motocross and supercross. 

Tumic wrote:
I don’t have a problem with the tracks, I like the Daytona-ish tracks and venues since the modern bikes has grown out the regular stadiums.But it...

I don’t have a problem with the tracks, I like the Daytona-ish tracks and venues since the modern bikes has grown out the regular stadiums.


But it would be refreshing to see a larger variety of tracks at the SMX. Like a shortened national track with SX obstacles built in to it. 

I feel that the current SMX tracks has become more and more the same when it should be the place to build some really exciting stuff.

Agreed, go to a national caliber MX location that isn’t on the current summer MX schedule and add in a supercross section for at least one of the locations. 

Right now it’s just a larger version of Daytona. It’s not MX at all it is just longer lap SX. 

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9/7/2025 7:36am
I was pumped to watch the racing today and thought the track was an awesome layout.  But I dont know how you legitimize a race where...

I was pumped to watch the racing today and thought the track was an awesome layout.  But I dont know how you legitimize a race where you only get one moto because they chose an outdoor venue with no lights and a track that was considered too dangerous to race if rained.

 

There's $1.5m on the line and they just cancel half the event.  I understand there were weather circumstances but this just seems extremely amateur.

agn5008 wrote:
It wasn’t considered too dangerous to ride after the rain. The race has to be suspended if lightening is within a certain amount of miles. That’s...

It wasn’t considered too dangerous to ride after the rain. The race has to be suspended if lightening is within a certain amount of miles. That’s not FELD, AMA or anyone having absolutely anything to do with racing making that decision. That’s the policy for literally every single stadium in the country (which is a requirement through their insurance companies). Literally any event taking place at that venue would have been suspended due to the lightening. 

I don’t like that there was only one moto per class either. But if you’re going to be upset, at least be upset with the correct people. You know damn well that if it was possible to have the remaining motos they would have. Sunday may not have been realistic. These venues are rented for certain dates and times. FELD can’t just decide on a whim that they’re going to reschedule the races for Sunday. They don’t own the venue and they don’t get to make just make those types of decisions. It’s almost like you renting out a venue for your wedding on Saturday then you catch a stomach bug and decide you’re going to have your wedding on Sunday. Now you expect the venue to allow you to use it as you please, all the caterers to adjust their schedules to fit yours, the photographer, the DJ, the bartenders, the cleaning crew, the attendees, so on and so forth to just be available to attend your wedding on Sunday because you decided to change it Saturday halfway through the evening. It’s not realistic and it’s absolutely absurd to even think that it is. 

This is Vital. Stop using logic and reason. 😁

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Every move this sport executes makes it look even more amateur than it did - if that’s even possible. 

SMX came about because of WSX. Everyone knows this.

Zero originality or thought went in to its development just a “we can’t let those guys one up us” knee jerk reaction with no thought at all. 

Calling it playoffs . Seriously ? “ let’s just copy every single other major league sporting body because we can’t be bothered to be original “

World Championship. Seriously ? Three races is a “World championship “ ? OK then…….

I can imagine each winner of this clown show is happy with the extra cash it provides but nothing else about it.

 

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Robgvx wrote:

I hate these SMX tracks. It’s like they combined the worst aspects of motocross and supercross. 

Tumic wrote:
I don’t have a problem with the tracks, I like the Daytona-ish tracks and venues since the modern bikes has grown out the regular stadiums.But it...

I don’t have a problem with the tracks, I like the Daytona-ish tracks and venues since the modern bikes has grown out the regular stadiums.


But it would be refreshing to see a larger variety of tracks at the SMX. Like a shortened national track with SX obstacles built in to it. 

I feel that the current SMX tracks has become more and more the same when it should be the place to build some really exciting stuff.

vdrsnk04 wrote:
Agreed, go to a national caliber MX location that isn’t on the current summer MX schedule and add in a supercross section for at least one...

Agreed, go to a national caliber MX location that isn’t on the current summer MX schedule and add in a supercross section for at least one of the locations. 

Right now it’s just a larger version of Daytona. It’s not MX at all it is just longer lap SX. 

It would be cool to make a track at a location like Millville or Glen Helen to incorporate a couple of steep hills and do something cool with them and then build SX stuff at the bottom of the hill.

But it might be my old motocross madness 2 dreams that shines through right now. 

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englishman wrote:
Every move this sport executes makes it look even more amateur than it did - if that’s even possible. SMX came about because of WSX. Everyone knows...

Every move this sport executes makes it look even more amateur than it did - if that’s even possible. 

SMX came about because of WSX. Everyone knows this.

Zero originality or thought went in to its development just a “we can’t let those guys one up us” knee jerk reaction with no thought at all. 

Calling it playoffs . Seriously ? “ let’s just copy every single other major league sporting body because we can’t be bothered to be original “

World Championship. Seriously ? Three races is a “World championship “ ? OK then…….

I can imagine each winner of this clown show is happy with the extra cash it provides but nothing else about it.

 

Does it need some work, yea. 

But some of the options in here are insane. I swear if Feld gave some of y’all a briefcase of cash you’d complain because you had to carry it. 

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9/7/2025 9:33am

I’ll take the monster energy cup and Red Bull straight rhythm over this bullshit any day

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9/7/2025 9:48am
Robgvx wrote:

I hate these SMX tracks. It’s like they combined the worst aspects of motocross and supercross. 

I agree, and frankly these types of venues during daylight make it look like a two-bit state fair race.    

The concept of these playoff races is good and has a lot of potential, not against that at all, but the execution isn't optimal.

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9/7/2025 11:18am
davis224 wrote:
Anyone else feel like society is just getting dumber and dumber and everyone is so on edge that they have emotional meltdowns/lash out to deal with...

Anyone else feel like society is just getting dumber and dumber and everyone is so on edge that they have emotional meltdowns/lash out to deal with all the anger they're feeling? Because a dirt bike race ran 2 motos instead of 4 due to logistics?

It’s definitely a different world these days. Born in 60 , there was no cable when I grew up. Wide World of Sports was all we had back then. 90% of that was recorded. Motorcycle Racing of any kind if we were lucky,  was shown once a year, if you missed it, there was no rerun. So I’m grateful for what we have today….. even if it was just half the racing. The beauty of it is…….it’s on next week!!!!! WOOHOO!

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9/7/2025 11:41am
Talon wrote:
As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand...

As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand national champ with Webb and Jett taking their individual titles. 

Imagine doing the grind of this schedule without getting hurt, being consistent and getting the most points out of anyone... your reward? A measly 3 point advantage and a cancelled race out of the 3 races. What a joke. 

This series is about Feld and Mx sports greed and thats it. 

bigk218 wrote:
Been saying this from day one.  It’s a joke.  J coop.  Congrats.  You raced every race and had a points lead.  As a reward you go...

Been saying this from day one.  It’s a joke.  J coop.  Congrats.  You raced every race and had a points lead.  As a reward you go into SMX with a whole three point lead over Jett.  It’s pathetic 

soggy wrote:

Quick without looking who are the last 5 grand national champs before smx started?  

There was only 1 I believe, and it was David Bailey. In 83. 

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9/7/2025 11:45am
Talon wrote:
As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand...

As a fan. Sure i love watching racing but this 3 race series is such a gimmicky pile of crap. IMO, Justin Cooper is your grand national champ with Webb and Jett taking their individual titles. 

Imagine doing the grind of this schedule without getting hurt, being consistent and getting the most points out of anyone... your reward? A measly 3 point advantage and a cancelled race out of the 3 races. What a joke. 

This series is about Feld and Mx sports greed and thats it. 

kxf250f176 wrote:
If you don't like it, don't watch it. That was one of the most difficult tracks we've seen the top athletes ride. A gimmick is Field...

If you don't like it, don't watch it. That was one of the most difficult tracks we've seen the top athletes ride. A gimmick is Field running a series that doesn't benefit anyone but them selves. The riders racing actually have a chance for good money. Let's watch the racing and stop complaining. 

Talon wrote:
Same can be said for this thread. You dont like my opinion? Fuck off and move on. The promoters could just as easily dedicate that money to...

Same can be said for this thread. You dont like my opinion? Fuck off and move on.

 

The promoters could just as easily dedicate that money to the standings of the grand national champion type thing. The only reason this series exists is to get your ticket money so they can give peanuts to the riders

Knee jerk reaction as they were worried about the WSX.

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9/7/2025 11:48am

The split lane start is a gimmick, there was no close up of the first corner action, and some of the camera angles were too far from the action. Not there best.

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9/7/2025 11:57am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2025 11:59am
sandman768 wrote:

SMx is the “burning man” of Mx…..

Hahaha 😆 quote of the weekend, it was almost as bad of disaster when the ORGY dome at burning man was destroyed! 😲🤣😂

Burning Man 'Orgy Dome' Destroyed by Storms - Newsweek https://share.google/V1Ycud56XU88z12dO

 

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9/7/2025 12:45pm

I’ll take the monster energy cup and Red Bull straight rhythm over this bullshit any day

100% chance you’d complain about both those too…

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I’m not throwing the baby out with the bath water. Yeah, this weather cancelation sucks but shit happens. I’m sure everyone saying the SMX rounds are...

I’m not throwing the baby out with the bath water. Yeah, this weather cancelation sucks but shit happens. I’m sure everyone saying the SMX rounds are lame will be glued to the broadcast the next two weekends and will fill this board with their commentary. 

Yeah, it’s gimmicky but it’s fun and gives these guys an opportunity to make some good money. Sounds like the organizers listened to the riders/teams and did what everyone agreed upon. 

And if you prefer it the way it used to be, you can still watch it that. Just don't watch the smx races. I look at them as a nice little bonus. 

Yeah it sucks we lost a moto yesterday, but I didn't lose any sleep over it. It is what it is. Blows my mind how bent out of shape some people are over this. Find some more hobbies my guys, or some other things to do on the weekend. Don't be so reliant on being a consumer of sports entertainment to keep you occupied.

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What amazes me is all the money and effort that went in to this race….with zero contingency thought or planning.  I look at weather for an airport the day before I fly there, and already know if thunderstorms are a strong possibility.  Moving forward they need to 1.  Contract contingencies with the venue to include sliding a day, 2.  Have a plan to shift early or late to make the races, all the races, happen. 3.  Check the damn forecast, which can be really pretty precise nowadays, so you can excersize #2.   Or…4.  Use covered stadiums with an outdoor portion that can hold up to heavy rain.  It is unfair to the riders and fans to let this crap happen.  The cancelation yesterday may have been justified given the circumstances…but only because they did not have a what if plan b.  For all the hype they put in to trying to legitimize a 3 race Championship, they sure looked illegitimate yesterday.

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Yes less racing would be better. The riders don’t need the money..

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