Why so much playoff hate?

8/25/2025 2:28pm
No, I don’t think they came up with 10mil, new format, and a new TV deal in a few months. SMX might have been pushed along...

No, I don’t think they came up with 10mil, new format, and a new TV deal in a few months. SMX might have been pushed along quicker because of WSX, but I don’t think it exists because of WSX

I don't think you're a business person, nor have you ever been. The moves that you see in public are the fourth or fifth chess moves that...

I don't think you're a business person, nor have you ever been. 

The moves that you see in public are the fourth or fifth chess moves that have already been played out behind the scenes. 

So you agree that SMX was planned well before WSX 😂😂😂

Nope. Okay, here's business lesson 101 for you. 

Adam Bailey and the other WSX honchos were openly working the pits amongst the teams at Anaheim in order to gage the team's and rider's interest in a possible WSX series. 

It didn't  take a Rocket Surgeon for the US promoters to figure out there was an emerging threat. 

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I don't think you're a business person, nor have you ever been. The moves that you see in public are the fourth or fifth chess moves that...

I don't think you're a business person, nor have you ever been. 

The moves that you see in public are the fourth or fifth chess moves that have already been played out behind the scenes. 

So you agree that SMX was planned well before WSX 😂😂😂

Nope. Okay, here's business lesson 101 for you. Adam Bailey and the other WSX honchos were openly working the pits amongst the teams at Anaheim in order...

Nope. Okay, here's business lesson 101 for you. 

Adam Bailey and the other WSX honchos were openly working the pits amongst the teams at Anaheim in order to gage the team's and rider's interest in a possible WSX series. 

It didn't  take a Rocket Surgeon for the US promoters to figure out there was an emerging threat. 

Okay chief, thanks for the lesson, not sure what you taught but I appreciate it.

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8/25/2025 3:28pm Edited Date/Time 8/25/2025 4:24pm
I don't think you're a business person, nor have you ever been. The moves that you see in public are the fourth or fifth chess moves that...

I don't think you're a business person, nor have you ever been. 

The moves that you see in public are the fourth or fifth chess moves that have already been played out behind the scenes. 

So you agree that SMX was planned well before WSX 😂😂😂

Nope. Okay, here's business lesson 101 for you. Adam Bailey and the other WSX honchos were openly working the pits amongst the teams at Anaheim in order...

Nope. Okay, here's business lesson 101 for you. 

Adam Bailey and the other WSX honchos were openly working the pits amongst the teams at Anaheim in order to gage the team's and rider's interest in a possible WSX series. 

It didn't  take a Rocket Surgeon for the US promoters to figure out there was an emerging threat. 

Here is an instruction video to help you out….

 

https://youtu.be/-Qre59HpriY?si=PenMCkJ4_Wgv97zM

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8/25/2025 3:37pm
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Calling them "Playoffs" is such a miss and it really goes to show how tone deaf the powers that be really are. This ain't a game...

Calling them "Playoffs" is such a miss and it really goes to show how tone deaf the powers that be really are. This ain't a game! It's a race!! They should be called the FINALS and that's it. SMX Finals sounds way better than SMX Playoffs.

Also, none of these races should ever be a day race. If we are putting this mini series on a pedestal and calling them the finals they need to be under the lights with all the prestige and hype that they deserve. The day race just doesn't have that and for the fans being able to fire up the grill and have a few brews as the night show ramps up is what it's all about IMO.

Those two points and the gimmicky point system are really my only gripes though. Other than that, I really like what it's been adding to the season. More of a storyline all the way through each series with more guys coming back earlier from injury to try and be ready for the big show. Different tracks and a different twist with such a short series. All good things. Hopefully they keep improving and we have an even better show this year. I'm excited for it!

Couldn’t agree more with having it under the lights.


1. I ride on the weekends so I’d love to be able to watch it live after riding.


2. No heat


3. Like you said, it’s more epic under the lights.

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8/25/2025 3:43pm
mxaddicted wrote:
How could a true moto fan not appreciate having 3 more races?? And the fact that it keeps riders coming back from injury to still ride...

How could a true moto fan not appreciate having 3 more races?? And the fact that it keeps riders coming back from injury to still ride the nationals.

People kept clamoring to make MX more like NASCAR, be careful what you wish for. 

Too many riders sit out the Out Doors as the emphasis is no longer on that series. To me, the field is thin for the out doors. Less competition on the track and thus, less actual racing. Just my opinion

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8/25/2025 4:22pm

WSX has a poorly chosen name (Women's Supercross?) and only has around 3 rounds. Nobody seems to mention Tomac's WSX championship when talking about his accomplishments. It just isn't the same accomplishment as enduring a long MXGP, SX, or AMA outdoor season. SMX has a lot of similarities, although the level of competition is much higher. Both are an invitation only 3 race series.

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8/25/2025 4:35pm Edited Date/Time 8/25/2025 4:37pm

The points and reward system needs revising. 

Its a playoff for LCQers. Not anyone of the top seeds. 

The triple points in the final round is ridiculous. Makes the previous two races almost irrelevant. 

There also needs to be some form of reward for making top 3 or whatever leading into the playoffs. I think Jcoop and Malcom finished 1st and 3rd in total points and were the only two riders to make every SX and MX race? And they get nothing for it? 

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8/25/2025 4:43pm
Ooh, ooh, pick me !  I know the answer !  We take the top 20 from the 250 class , then we get the top 20...

Ooh, ooh, pick me !  I know the answer !  We take the top 20 from the 250 class , then we get the top 20 from the 450 class, and we put them all on 350’s. Best man after 3 races wins the one SMX championship and $4M prize. 

McG194 wrote:

I don't hate you for that idea, it would force all manufacturers to make a 350 which I am a fan of. 

       Damn fine job reading between the lines there McG, Damn fine !

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8/25/2025 4:53pm

Just call it the Finals. Its not a playoff. Please and thanks. 

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My gripes...

- As some other posters have said, "playoffs" is inaccurate branding that suggests some type of tournament elimination that doesn't even apply. Just call it "Finals" or "Final Championship Series"/"FCS".

- I don't believe 3 races is enough to ever evolve into a legitimate championship (6 is probably the bare minimum). The powers that be should replace a few of the SX rounds with SMX. This would also have the added benefit of evening out the balance between MX & SX rounds. 

- The points are too slanted towards MX (22 races versus 17). They should even up the number of rounds for SX & MX, then award SMX points by overall finish in MX (MX championship points could still be accrued per moto as it is now).

- I get what they are trying to do with the graduating points, but it's going to blow up in their faces at some point when the SMX champion ends up being a rider who wasn't in contention in either MX or SX (see Jordon Smith nearly doing this in the inaugural season).

- I agree with Lewis that there should not be LCQs for the SMX championship. You are top 20 in "regular season" or you are out. The AMA can call up alternates as needed if attrition is an issue.

- The lighting at most of the venues (so far) is not well suited to night racing (for dirt bikes, anyway).

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8/25/2025 6:22pm

Burnout for the teams but the promoter does not care. How long is the football or soccer season?

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8/25/2025 6:33pm Edited Date/Time 8/25/2025 6:36pm

If the series is to stick around...

-Find a better name
-Take 2-3 rounds off the SX schedule. 14 SX, 11 MX, 3 SMX. Something like that. I also like the idea of matching up indoor/outdoor rounds, but it will NEVER happen. Make each main of SX Triple crowns count toward SMX to help even it up.
-Have one of the SMX rounds on an actual outdoor track. Spice it up a bit if you want, but let's go somewhere with elevation!
-Do something better with the points system. I get it, it has to be interesting, but there's gotta be a better way

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8/25/2025 7:40pm Edited Date/Time 8/25/2025 7:42pm

This place complains about everything and for the most part it’s always the usual cast of characters complaining..

Too many races, not enough races, I don’t like the name, 250 sx not a legit title, every commentator sucks, ticket prices too high, no bottled water, tracks too dry, track too wet, ripped too deep, not ripped deep enough..blah..blah..find a better name (no suggestion, just better), do something different with the points (again no suggestion, just do it different)…

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I definitely don't hate them, I just think the series is trying a bit too hard to make them something they're not. A 3-race series isn't a legit championship, but it is a phenomenal payday for the majority of the field. My suggestion is to treat it like a MEC series with the winner running the #1 in next year's series, but no reason to pump it up with the blue and gold number plates that need to be explained to new viewers every week at the beginning of SX season.

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8/25/2025 8:06pm
mx317 wrote:

Anything that puts more money in the rider's pockets and gives the fans more racing to watch is OK in my book.

Why not just promote the last round of sx and mx better, then give the cash to the privateers

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8/25/2025 8:53pm
dsc131 wrote:
In the Weege Show wrapup, he makes a great point about the positive impact that SMX has made on the outdoor series, which makes me a...

In the Weege Show wrapup, he makes a great point about the positive impact that SMX has made on the outdoor series, which makes me a fan. 

That part starts at 10:53.

Agreed.  The last three need some work, but its badass how much attention is has brought the outdoors

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Not my problem to fix a series I don’t own. But here is a quick suggestion, it’s really easy because many other sports do it much...

Not my problem to fix a series I don’t own. But here is a quick suggestion, it’s really easy because many other sports do it much better. But here is an option.


A name - Just call it “SMX Playoffs” leave out the superdoopercross stuff. 

Points system - cumulative carryover and reset bonus. 
- Riders keep all regular season points (SX and MX combined), but before the playoff you “reset” them with a gap (think PGA like this past weekend). 
- 1st place starts with 25 pts, 2nd with 22 pts, 3rd with 20 pts, etc. This rewards consistency of both regular season series but tightens the field so SMX actually matters. 
- Then in the 3 race playoff series standard race points apply per race. After the three race series the combined total is crowned SMX champ. 

But even that doesn’t fix it all really. It’s just a quick 5 minute option given. 


 




 

PGA got rid of the strokes to start the tournament. Everyone started even par. 
 

I did an experiment and Hunter would have won by one point last year if standard scoring was used. 25 points for win. 

Not sure what you are saying about starting points. I think what you laid out is what they do. 

8/26/2025 12:33am

Honestly wish they’d get rid of smx. I think it’s been a total fail, as others have said it devalues the races and series we’ve already had. There’s so many races now it barely matters if you miss one. Riders are all hurt by the time it’s done and most of the ones that are left ride well within their limits so they can at least get some of the money. I’ll watch if there’s nothing going on but when outdoors ends real racing is over imo, mxon is the only race I wanna see before A1.

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8/26/2025 12:45am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2025 1:06am

So you agree that SMX was planned well before WSX 😂😂😂

Nope. Okay, here's business lesson 101 for you. Adam Bailey and the other WSX honchos were openly working the pits amongst the teams at Anaheim in order...

Nope. Okay, here's business lesson 101 for you. 

Adam Bailey and the other WSX honchos were openly working the pits amongst the teams at Anaheim in order to gage the team's and rider's interest in a possible WSX series. 

It didn't  take a Rocket Surgeon for the US promoters to figure out there was an emerging threat. 

DonM wrote:
Here is an instruction video to help you out…. https://youtu.be/-Qre59HpriY?si=PenMCkJ4_Wgv97zM

Here is an instruction video to help you out….

 

https://youtu.be/-Qre59HpriY?si=PenMCkJ4_Wgv97zM

Dude, you must have way too much time on your hands.

Go outside and holler at the clouds. 

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30minmotos wrote:

I think it gets really gimmicky with the points doubling and tripling at each round, and the name is dumb as fuck.

McG194 wrote:
The doubling and tripling of points is far from perfect but it gives most weight to the final race in true Superbowl fashion. Any sport would...

The doubling and tripling of points is far from perfect but it gives most weight to the final race in true Superbowl fashion. Any sport would love to have half the attention the Superbowl gets. 

Lets make 'Football' more interesting, where you get more points for a touchdown in the last quarter , than if you score in the first. 

You see how fucking dumb that sounds?  

Any sport that cant just have a regular season and declare a winner is doing it wrong. 

NASCAR is done, whats the point of 33 races , when most of them are irrelevant? 

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Good on these guys for having the opportunity to make some more money. I just want 12 rounds of outdoors again. 

Losing the 12th national is the worst part for me

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mx317 wrote:

Anything that puts more money in the rider's pockets and gives the fans more racing to watch is OK in my book.

Why not just promote the last round of sx and mx better, then give the cash to the privateers

Two reasons:

1) The money wouldn't exist without the playoffs; NBC wanted them and is paying for them. 

2) Nobody cares about privateers. Most of us love that guys like Mitchell Harrison are chasing their dream and getting solid results but the reality is how many tickets do you think he sold this year? Sure, I'd love to see those guys make a bit more money, but all professional sports are star driven. 

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8/27/2025 5:54am

Mix the 250 and 450 classes, top 11 points scoring riders from each class racing together, lets see who is all talk.

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McG194 wrote:
Listening to Pulp among other media members and the Twitterati and everyone acts like the SMX Playoffs are a gimmick and a joke because 3 races...

Listening to Pulp among other media members and the Twitterati and everyone acts like the SMX Playoffs are a gimmick and a joke because 3 races don't make a season. 

I totally agree if that's what they were saying but if you look at it as a true playoff (Raceoff maybe?) then it's totally legit. I believe they are trying to make it like other sports and if you compare it to NFL Football, last year my Lions went 15-2 and were the champs of the regular season. They had a bye week so they had a 3 game season to see if they were the actual champions and they lost the first round and didn't get another chance. Nobody cares that they were the regular season champions, it is irrelevant. With the points increasing each race they are trying to do the same thing with SMX. 

Is it perfect? No but as far as I'm concerned it is a legit championship because the racers have to perform under the most pressure the further it gets in the playoffs. 

After reading through all the comments and then back to your original comment, I have one thing to say...

Go Pack Go!

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30minmotos wrote:

I think it gets really gimmicky with the points doubling and tripling at each round, and the name is dumb as fuck.

McG194 wrote:
The doubling and tripling of points is far from perfect but it gives most weight to the final race in true Superbowl fashion. Any sport would...

The doubling and tripling of points is far from perfect but it gives most weight to the final race in true Superbowl fashion. Any sport would love to have half the attention the Superbowl gets. 

philG wrote:
Lets make 'Football' more interesting, where you get more points for a touchdown in the last quarter , than if you score in the first. You see...

Lets make 'Football' more interesting, where you get more points for a touchdown in the last quarter , than if you score in the first. 

You see how fucking dumb that sounds?  

Any sport that cant just have a regular season and declare a winner is doing it wrong. 

NASCAR is done, whats the point of 33 races , when most of them are irrelevant? 

"Lets make 'Football' more interesting, where you get more points for a touchdown in the last quarter , than if you score in the first."

You argue against yourself in this post. 

Touchdowns are always worth 6 points but the game 8 of the regular season sure doesn't mean as much as the Superbowl. 

"Any sport that cant just have a regular season and declare a winner is doing it wrong." 

Does that mean my Detroit Lions are NFL Champs of 2024?

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McG194 wrote:
Listening to Pulp among other media members and the Twitterati and everyone acts like the SMX Playoffs are a gimmick and a joke because 3 races...

Listening to Pulp among other media members and the Twitterati and everyone acts like the SMX Playoffs are a gimmick and a joke because 3 races don't make a season. 

I totally agree if that's what they were saying but if you look at it as a true playoff (Raceoff maybe?) then it's totally legit. I believe they are trying to make it like other sports and if you compare it to NFL Football, last year my Lions went 15-2 and were the champs of the regular season. They had a bye week so they had a 3 game season to see if they were the actual champions and they lost the first round and didn't get another chance. Nobody cares that they were the regular season champions, it is irrelevant. With the points increasing each race they are trying to do the same thing with SMX. 

Is it perfect? No but as far as I'm concerned it is a legit championship because the racers have to perform under the most pressure the further it gets in the playoffs. 

MX Culture wrote:

After reading through all the comments and then back to your original comment, I have one thing to say...

Go Pack Go!

Good luck this season, hope the fans don't turn on them for starting 0-1 😉

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If it is going to be a gimmick championship, 1st race MX, 2nd race Sx, 3rd race super moto at night in Vegas somewhere on the strip.
 

 

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😂 This place has nothing to complain about compared to the tracks drag racers!

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McG194 wrote:
Listening to Pulp among other media members and the Twitterati and everyone acts like the SMX Playoffs are a gimmick and a joke because 3 races...

Listening to Pulp among other media members and the Twitterati and everyone acts like the SMX Playoffs are a gimmick and a joke because 3 races don't make a season. 

I totally agree if that's what they were saying but if you look at it as a true playoff (Raceoff maybe?) then it's totally legit. I believe they are trying to make it like other sports and if you compare it to NFL Football, last year my Lions went 15-2 and were the champs of the regular season. They had a bye week so they had a 3 game season to see if they were the actual champions and they lost the first round and didn't get another chance. Nobody cares that they were the regular season champions, it is irrelevant. With the points increasing each race they are trying to do the same thing with SMX. 

Is it perfect? No but as far as I'm concerned it is a legit championship because the racers have to perform under the most pressure the further it gets in the playoffs. 

I like the playoffs, just because of the extra entertainment.


But I think the issue is that in motocross, we are used to a championship being a 10+ race series based on attrition, success and consistency.  It's just a different mindset for us to get used to a championship being based on 3 races (plus seeding points).

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Went to Charlotte the first two years.  Not going again.  Track or promoters got greedy.  Last year the vibe was killed when they started charging for...

Went to Charlotte the first two years.  Not going again.  Track or promoters got greedy.  Last year the vibe was killed when they started charging for an additional pass to get in on Friday.  Was over $100 for my wife and I.  Year 1 your event ticket for Saturday got you in.  I also don’t like how it’s ended up being the least important, almost throw away round of the “playoffs” because of the retarded double, triple points gimmick.  We’re in AZ and thought about going to Vegas this year instead, but the potential for extreme heat and the ticket and hotel prices make it a no-go.

The greed isn't just an SMX problem.  I was debating whether to go to Anaheim this year, but the ticket prices just seemed too high to be worth it, so I stayed home.

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