Yamaha reports few riders connect their phones to change maps

R&D money well spent!

I think most people don’t care as much as we think. If we’re on this forum, we’re already more involved in moto than most riders. What’s normal to us isn’t normal to everyone 

Because your buddies can’t see that you changed your maps but they can see that $1200 exhaust, the sick Dubya wheel set you just got and the sick bling parts that don’t do anything but look cool. 

Also, Jazzy has a point. Only us hardcore moto guys are the ones messing with maps. The average guys aren’t doing that. 

Most people don't even adjust their clickers!

I’ve never switched maps on my bike. Not even to try. 

Connecting your phone sometimes is a PITA!

Motocross is a great way to escape from your phone. I did change maps a few times when I bought my bike but now it's been on the most aggressive map for a few years. 

Having "another app" for everything kinda sucks...

I bought a YAMAHA Tenere 700, Why? Because it has almost zero tech. 

Its not intuitive

I think it still sells bikes. whether most buyers use it or not, they want the possibility. Most drivers probably never put their car in Sport mode, but every test drive will surely feature the salesman pointing it out.

The old handheld Yamaha communicator was hard to beat……plug it in.  I doubt many people used them either.

The reason most people don’t use the phone app to change mapping, they don’t want to screw anything up.  Buttons on the bars are fool proof.  

The app is one of the best features of the yz compared to other bikes.  The stock map is fine but being able to easily tune the throttle and power response to your preference is such a nice feature.  Its also nice to have the exact hours without having to add anything to keep track.  Plus you can monitor coolant temp, battery voltage, etc.  The app is incredible in my opinion.

Every bike except the Honda (even Suzuki!) has a wireless tuner app. The KTM is an optional accessory, though. (Comes with factory editions).

Just turn it up to full send, then forget about it.

The computer nerd has an advantage even on a fart bike.  I would get the 2 modes going low to mid for starts. Then mid to top for the track.  Why do these riders get a bike when there not getting anything out of the bike.  I still like to think it’s my natural abllity that beats them & not there lack of knowledge to set a bike up. 

  I was bleeding my forks and setting pressure the last time I was at the track and a guy came over that had the same FC450 but a year newer came up and asked what I was doing. He said he’s never checked his forks and never tried clicker adjustment's. I asked if he wanted me to check his and replied he was good. 
  I backed map one way down, left the spark arrester in, use the closed airbox side cover plus I have a sand cover over the air filter. That with gearing the bike down gets me in the old man range I want. If I’m feeling frisky I hit map two.

I love the powertuner app! I love messing with maps, trying different stuff and use it to keep track of maintenance as well. It's one of my favorite things about my YZ 450

The app sucks, so much fiddling, and screen time, one of the reasons I sold my yz250f, I want to ride and not sit on my phone. I can rejet a carb quicker. And now owning a TBI KTM, I'm thinking, damn a YZ with a keihin sounds nice, slap in my go to jetting and ride, no remaps, no dongle, no resets, no codes. 

Most people don’t even bleed their forks either! 

Funny.. it’s kind of ironic when you tell someone about bleeding their forks and it ends end up losing them a bleeder screw and ending their day when they can’t find it in the dirt once it shoots out like a nerf gun dart. The difference they would have felt in the harshness after though!! 😂

The only map I use on my YZ is Google Maps

This was me.

Click..feels the same

Click click...feels the same

Click  click click click click click click click click click click click click....feels the same.  /tells buddies feels heaps better/worse.

But I could tell the difference night and day between the CR 250 1995 and 1996 forks easily.  Those 95's were jack hammers.

I'm sure those same people laugh at an RMZ because it has kickstart. These stock bikes are developing beyond what most weekend warriors even need so it's not that surprising to me. People will think I'm cool if I have he latest and greatest!

I was a motorcycle technician for 10 years doing everything from the insides of S1000rr engines to the shim stacks of every type of fork known to man. I have now spent the last 5 years in tech. I never adjust my map, nor my clickers even though I have a better than average idea of what is happening. I have cone valves, and a set up I'm happy with, I just don't wanna bother with it. I recently got a Vortex from XPR and told them I wanted 2 maps not 10 because that's stupid but I got 10 maps anyway and have no plans of trying the other 9 maps out. I have a family and it's a fucking battle with the wife just to get out and ride, I don't wanna mess with it. Lol

I find this kind of interesting but at the same time I can see it being the case. I feel like on the older-gen with the handheld tool I really just found a map that I liked and left it unless it was a mud race or something, then I'd swap to a smoother one. Otherwise, the tool made me not feel like messing with it much (even though it was cool at the time.)

Once I got a bike with the app, it was fun to mess with but I sort of settled in on the maps that I liked and typically always loaded a top end type map and a low end torque map. Occasionally load in a smooth map if they day called for it. Now I have a Vortex and hardly ever touch it. Map 1 in the first spot and whatever the smooth one is on the dial (2 or 3) in the 2nd spot. I just assumed that was the normal. Play with it until you find what you like and then mostly leave it, unless the rare occasion that the terrain calls for a change.

I have a friend who has now had 3 YZFs since we've been riding together and he hasn't ever even connected his bike to the phone. I always thought that was kinda funny/weird, but maybe I'm the weird one and what he does, is the norm lol.

On my 2019 Honda CRF 450 the engine maps make a huge difference to the power. Nothing to do with Yamaha I know, but I'm only saying this because I'm surprised people are saying they never change it.

It also made a big difference on the KTM 250 SX-F when I had one. 

I use it for an hour/maintenance meter, works pretty good for that. Don’t know why you would go away from it.

How are they measuring use?  

1.Are people finding a map they like and then not changing it often? 

2.Or is it a low rate of people connecting initially?

Could it be that the stock map is good enough for most people?


Initially I thought the turning app was a marketing gimmick, but after spending time to learn it, I became a fan.  However, if an app requires training then it's designed poorly. 

The UX of the app is not great. The example maps offered, specifically from Keefer and TP became more sophisticated year after year, even when the bikes stayed virtually the same.......This is a clue that it took time to learn the functionality and that the UX is not good.    

Side note, I think the map switch coming new with the same map for both settings is to nudge riders into adopting the mapping tool.

I think half the kids I rode with didn’t change the oil on their bikes or clean the filters I doubt they’d ever tune them, as long as they could do sketchy jumps in the high dez they are good to go 😂