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Everything is in a "price reset" since Covid that are considered luxuries our hobbies, Classic cars, everything outdoors, new cars, Sprinter Vans etc.
The problem is things we actually NEED are screwed due to all kinds of things (staying out of politics), mostly which is entry level wages continuing to rise for absolutely no reason.
I love when people post stupid takes like this. I'll let you in on a little secret, the S&P500 has been essentially dead flat for the last 15-20 years factoring in monetary debasement. You're not really getting "richer" because your 401k and home value have shot up, you're just seeing a rebalancing of the numerator to match the new denominator of debased currency. You might want to figure that basic dynamic out before you start calling people "broke whining mother effers", stupid takes like this are the exact reason they keep getting away with theft year after year.
The sad irony is that the way to reverse it is to increase taxes and take money out of the economy to pay down the debt. Nobody wants that.
More taxes would just mean more dumbass projects and dumbass humanitarian aid to more people who fucking hate us.
so yeah no, more taxes isn’t the answer, less dumbass sending trillions everywhere but where it makes sense
So sad, all of it. Just do your best to carve out your piece of the pie and ride dirtbikes when you can. Is all we can do it seems.
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Spot on! made me sick seeing what people got that had booming businesses at the time.
This is officially a non fucking moto thread .
Lot of people thought like that in early 2008
Can you guys take it to non moto before this thread gets nuked
It's like buying a spare set of Monopoly money for your game and distributing it to all the players - it doesn't mean everyone is now rich, it means that everything on the board just doubled in price because your money now buys half of what it did before you doubled the money supply. More money to represent the same amount of goods means the goods go up in price to balance the equation with the money supply.
But some people don't understand that and end up paying a steeper price in life.
I wish I could print money out of thin air and pay for real goods and services with it; that would the life... but I'm not a government.
Raising taxes would not lower the debt a effectively as growing the economy. And ironically higher taxes slow the economy. The real answer is less government spending.
Gosh this is so frustrating, how you guys get so sidetracked. Can't you see we don't need lower priced dirt bikes?
"The future of motocross", as declared by AgileMike right here on VitalMX, is comprised of $13,900 (plus taxes & fees) electric bikes, and $90,000 e-trucks to haul and charge them. No generator needed, as long as you don't mind stopping for a charge and Tofu every 90 miles or so.
And might as well redo your ManBun while you're waiting.
After ww2 gold was 30.00 an Oz. 2007 was 800.00 now its 2300.00. That's not corporations gouging anything.
Back to the bikes...I'm currently only seeing $750 rebates on kx250/kx250x.... when will that increase? (Assuming the 25 will be new like the 24 450's were this year)
I looked myself too. I found a dealer that doesn't add bs fees and sells bikes at msrp or less. He has them 250's for $1,500 off msrp.
They’re not rumors. Very many notable/educated industry people agree that kawis reliability is always in question.
You can blame the government bailouts all you want, but money is liquid but unlike water, this liquid flows uphill. What we saw with the money being dolled out is THE POWER OF A STRONG MIDDLE CLASS.
But what happened is that short term burst of money that boosted the buying power of the middle class and in turn the viability of sport like ours, well that money flowed up to the rich. And now it sits there with their only goal to turn it into more money at the expense of the middle class.
Covid was a boom for the middle class and therefore a boom for motocross and for small businesses
But because regulation doesn’t recognize need, it only recognizes lobbying dollars, the middle class gets gutted and the liquid money stops flowing and becomes toxic stagnant water in the hands of the mega wealthy.
Motocross booms when there’s strong unions, a high wealth tax, single payer health care, a strong middle class, decent public transport and walkable cities to avoid urban sprawl closing riding areas… it’s pretty logical and COVID showed how important it is for this sport AND that it has so much room to grow.
https://fortune.com/2022/05/23/pandemic-billionaire-wealth-oxfam-povert…
Through a strong wealth tax and strong unions all of the money handed out should have recirculated either back to the government or in the form of increased wages to the middle class. But it didn’t, it now sits with the rich.
governance saves in the good times and spends in the bad times… if pre COVID was good times Trumps policies of spending in the good times was at that time in history raising national debt at record levels… not saving during the good times… it’s bad lobbyist led policy that means America has nothing left to spend during the bad times. It’s not the poors it’s the fucking lobbyists. Every time all the time
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You know why rich people are rich, right?
If you gave everyone in the world the ability to have $1 million, nearly every person would end up where they are now. Some would blow all $1 million, some would invest it and make big gains... I heard this today on youtube and I believe it 100%. Think about if you were given $1 million right now, what would you do with it?
The more of a wealthy mindset you have the less compulsive you will be, you will control your emotions better. You would think about what you want to do with the money rather than just act instictively and buy that house you always wanted, or the car, etc.
I'm not wealthy, but I'm not broke either. Trying to claw my way into the upperclass.
The point wasnt just the debt. The point was to take out money from the economy that was printed during covid, causing price deflation while strengthening the dollar against other currencies so actual buying power isn't affected.
Of course this causes people that have loans to be screwed, and rewards those with liquid cash. It's similar to going to a gold standard.
Theoretically this would allow easing of interest rates that would further reduce the debt.
But like I said originally it won't happen for a bunch of reasons.
Individual versus society level.
banning lobbying and increasing unions doesn’t discount hard work at all, it’s just ensure people can start from a more equatable level AND during the come up participate in amazing sports like motocross.
That was a great socialist utopian diatribe void of all reality. If handing out $7K to the “middle class” was so great, why don’t we do $10K? $15? How about we give everyone $20k a month basic income and everything will be sunshine and rainbows. Hell let’s forcibly confiscate all wealth from the top 1% and I think that will cover a few months of our expenses. After those greedy pricks are broke, the single payer health system will be running like a top with all this extra tax revenue the middle class will be paying in. Let’s make minimum wage $50/hr so the Wendy’s order will be $85 for a few double stacks. Unbelievable.
FYI…my union I belong to is one of the biggest lobbying organizations in the construction industry.
I agree the new and used market has softened. But not all dealers and private sellers got the memo. For every reasonably priced dirt bike in my area, Houston Texas there are Suzuki 250 and 450’s listed at crazy prices both new and used. Same for used KTM prices. It’s like do ya really think your going to recover dealer fees and taxes on your new scooter you financed and can’t make the strokes each month.
A well managed economy is not a ‘socialist utopia’
Government policy is not socialism. Tax policy is not socialism. Banning lobbyist is not socialism. Banning companies from spending billions of dollars a year on union busting is not socialism. Public transport is not socialism. single payer healthcare is not socialism. Taxes aren’t socialism. Public aren’t socialism. Walkable livable cities minimising endless urban sprawl encroaching on motocross land is not socialism.
Why has wealth inequality risen drastically massively in the last 2 decades?
Hint: It’s not because of socialism.
But yeah keep using the socialist boogeymen’s to avoid actually Making American Great Again.
You didn’t answer the question. If the stimulus checks were the best thing for the economy, why don’t we do that every month?
19.00 for a tiny sandwich at a Jersey turnpike plaza, 24.00 in Mass. we can’t afford to eat at fast food places out here either. In what was a cheap st. To live in like the se. I talk to people in every state . They all say the same thing, they can’t afford anything in life anymore. They work 2 full time jobs to make ends meet. During c19 millions of bums collecting unemployment plus extra from the gov . And they didn’t hv to pay rent. Now rent is not 500 it’s 1,400 for a studio and more for a reg apartment. No one can afford it. Alot of people loosing there jobs, blue for illegals and white collar for military for the big gov hand out or Eastern Europeans , all medical positions including drs. Supply chain ha , they Really got that 1 wrong. There’s thousands of huge warehouses built & never used. Big buisness thought everyone would run out and buy from stores again after c19 was ovr. Way off , the trucking industry crashed the day after biden fired missles at the taliban trying to get the war going again. Not everybody is a war mongler. The day after everything crashed. Trucking wages people with master degrees forced to take furlows, pay cuts, cut matching 401k, etc. drivers wages cut in 1/2. No one can afford to b in a truck. 50,000 bankruptcy’s a week. The mega carriers r operating off of low interest gov loans . It’s a disaster much worse than in 2008. That’s from the largest carrier in America. The word is it’s long term. I sold my 05 super clean 05 cr125 for 3,400 the shop took 200. I lost a lot of money on that . And it’s the only bike that brings a good price . Remember the 07 cr125 that sold for 13,500 from mecum ? Chicago was a disaster today ovr 80 details of crap. Some Eastern European goes nuts because he expects a 53ft speed axle to run 7 cars out of a lane to let him on. He’s doing the run the shoulder & cut the trk off. I let the dick in and he’s waving his arms & doing pistol I,m gonna blow your azz away. I pointed to the shoulder with my whole arm . Pussy of course won’t but he wants to keep slamming his brakes on. The crazy people doing insane stuff to trks don’t realize there on camera. And majority of drivers don’t hv a problem running them ovr especially if it’s a rich person. Just stab the brakes at the last second you run them ovr ecm has data of emergency braking event. Chicago is adding speed bumps in the only st going to a alley where I pu. A ld that pays nothing. I talked to the workers & the city guy. He said he didn’t know why there putting speed bumps in and why they hv to use a tiny roller because. The 1st trk will flatten them. Just Chicago wasting money. A political person wanted to win a stupid bet on how can I piss money away. And fuck traffic up on the south side near midway airport . Anyone want to buy a Super rare DBP 125 18,500 . Millville had rare nice weather may 5 and had a low turnout. Only 9 in 50A so there no way to cover 1/2 of the expenses. Getting 2nd Mike Luoma is in the class now a x natl guy .
If you think and I copied it and pasted what you typed. Government policy is not socialism. Then you went to the airport and missed your boat. Who the hell determines the policies in a socialist country or republic. As in Cuba, Russia etc, please enlighten us simple minded Americans.
Spend in the bad times, save in the good times.
So one thing can be good at certain times while not being good all the time.
If I have an injury and take OxyContin to deal with the pain, that would be fine, if I keep taking it forever… well…. That would be bad…
but you know this, it’s not the ‘gotcha’ you think it is…
Demand for CR500s will keep going down, few riders who first started on 4-strokes are interested, many vet riders want something easier to ride, and there are only so many collectors, prices will keep going down.
Government policy is government policy, capitalist countries have government policy, socialist countries have government policy
people who are anti government policy repeatedly use the ‘socialism’ boogeymen to be anti government policy as if policy = socialism. It doesn’t.
‘Policy’ is not socialism. Policy takes many forms, and policy is the reason we have catalytic converters in our cars and don’t choke on fumes in every city. Policy did that, and it’s not socialist to not choke on fumes in every city. Believe it or not many socialist countries have worse fume issues because the policies are less stringent in that regard. Don’t be afraid of policy sir.
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