Things I took away from the pulp interviews..

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The kids credibility is shot because he didn’t mention the engines, but Deegans and Slow old Guys isn’t when they didn’t initially mention that he said no to Deegan talking to the kid, only agree ling when he said he “would be nice” lol
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8/16/2022 12:32pm
Pakoyz250f wrote:
wow.. exactly the point! Nothing of what happened after the claim is right! So you are saying "either" so could you elaborate? Apart of the kid...
wow.. exactly the point! Nothing of what happened after the claim is right!

So you are saying "either" so could you elaborate?

Apart of the kid who hasn´t been 100% upfront? names?
Matthes wrote:
Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never...
Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never brought up the two motors in the first interview, isn't that a key part of this story? Like, he said he backed his claim off from pressure from his dealer and wait, didn't the two motors have something to do with this possibly?

Keep in mind, his dealer has said no one from Yamaha called him.

He told me he lost his ride because of this, his dealer is saying that's not true, that he's always had to get the bikes back.

Completely agree that Brennen should have mentioned the motors. In effect, Yamaha, et al, admit through the engine offer that the investment in Deegan’s 250F is far beyond what 2X MSRP could recover. It’s essentially a pay-off to rescind the claim, and keep Star’s technology in-house.

So we’re back to what started this entire fiasco: the rule book, stating any rider can claim another rider’s bike in the same class for double the MSRP. It does not make an exception for highly-funded, high-visibility teams. Few racers would have the financial means to counter a claim, but Star/Yamaha does. And did.

Regardless of the nuances in what Brennen said and others contradicted, once the dust settles it’s clear that Brennen was muscled into rescinding the claim. Offering free motors flies in the face of the claiming rule’s spirit: to keep the playing field somewhat level. Yet all we’ve learned is that nothing is level, on or off the field.
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8/16/2022 12:32pm
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Where I’m getting at is this. You come across as very passionate about taking care of the privateers in our sport. And rightfully so, you do...
Where I’m getting at is this. You come across as very passionate about taking care of the privateers in our sport. And rightfully so, you do a lot for these guys that are all struggling. I think the hardest part is I don’t hear you pulling for a small time guy like Brennan in the same respect.

I don’t think I’m alone when I say that you are in a position to help with some positive changes so this never happens again. I think you could be a voice to make this right with Brennan. Why can’t star and Brennan work something out so he can maybe get a full amateur prepped bike from the team?

Yeah it’s not gonna have a engine with secret parts, but it’s step in the direction of making this right again.
Matthes wrote:
I'm pulling for Brennen in saying 14X that he should have this bike. A rule is a rule but he pulled his claim down and the...
I'm pulling for Brennen in saying 14X that he should have this bike. A rule is a rule but he pulled his claim down and the ins and outs of that are up for debate.

I don't think ruining a companies name (Yamaha) a long time industry guy (Luce) and maybe, maybe not lying about what someone told you (dealer) is cool unless that's actually what happened and it doesn't seem that it did happen the way he told it.
That’s not what I’m saying. A handful of people stepped over the lines that shouldn’t be crossed. I’m not saying people should be fired at all. In the future, people shouldn’t be allowed to have any kind of interaction with someone making a claim. That’s a positive step forward. I’m saying you, matthes, the biggest mouth in the industry could bring 2 parties together so that Brennan gets something out of the deal (maybe a star amateur bike for a good price) and everyone moves on? Be the mediator you could be. Put your purse down and get shit done, we have faith 👍
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Typical good old boys club . Bullies and cowards . All of them .
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8/16/2022 12:40pm
People ask why the screen shot of Brennen talking shit at Southwick is important.... Over and Over people say how much of a nice mature well...
People ask why the screen shot of Brennen talking shit at Southwick is important....

Over and Over people say how much of a nice mature well spoken kid he is etc...


By the post he made talking shit to Deegan clearly shows he's not the nice mature kid that he portrays in the video.

So how creditable is his side of the story?
If Dangerboy's gonna be the next big thing in pro MX he better be ready for more heat than those couple screenshots.
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8/16/2022 12:41pm
This entire mess would have been avoided if the Claiming rule had a clause that you must be 18yo or accompanied by a legal guardian when making a claim. Make the claim, fill out a form, give the money, get the bike. No talking about it. Way too much talking.
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8/16/2022 12:45pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 1:21pm
Brennan could completely fabricate what was discussed with Deegan and Cotter behind closed doors, and it wouldn’t change the fact that it shouldn’t have happened in the first place. He paid his money, the AMA should have retrieved and delivered the bike to him without any “discussion” with the Star/Deegan camp. But no emphasis on that, let’s dwell on whether or not the dealership was actually getting threatened, and use that minor detail to question Brennan’s whole story.

These attempts at character assassination by questioning Brennan’s honesty aren’t doing anything besides showing how deep in Yamaha’s pocket he is, lol. You either get the respect from the moto community as a journalist, or tall ceilings courtesy of Yamaha, but good luck trying for both.
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8/16/2022 12:46pm
Matthes wrote:
Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never...
Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never brought up the two motors in the first interview, isn't that a key part of this story? Like, he said he backed his claim off from pressure from his dealer and wait, didn't the two motors have something to do with this possibly?

Keep in mind, his dealer has said no one from Yamaha called him.

He told me he lost his ride because of this, his dealer is saying that's not true, that he's always had to get the bikes back.

So Steve, here is the question nobody has asked. If he always had to give the bikes back and he was losing his support, then how could said dealer convince him to drop the claim? He would have no leverage over the kid as he already was taking back the bikes? Also, why would he need motors from Yamaha if the bikes were going back to the dealer? Wouldn't he now need new complete bikes?
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8/16/2022 12:47pm
Matthes wrote:
Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never...
Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never brought up the two motors in the first interview, isn't that a key part of this story? Like, he said he backed his claim off from pressure from his dealer and wait, didn't the two motors have something to do with this possibly?

Keep in mind, his dealer has said no one from Yamaha called him.

He told me he lost his ride because of this, his dealer is saying that's not true, that he's always had to get the bikes back.

GPrider wrote:
So Steve, here is the question nobody has asked. If he always had to give the bikes back and he was losing his support, then how...
So Steve, here is the question nobody has asked. If he always had to give the bikes back and he was losing his support, then how could said dealer convince him to drop the claim? He would have no leverage over the kid as he already was taking back the bikes? Also, why would he need motors from Yamaha if the bikes were going back to the dealer? Wouldn't he now need new complete bikes?
Guess we will know soon ML is dropping interview with dealer today
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8/16/2022 12:48pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 12:49pm
I think the biggest thing here that people are missing is that whatever Yamaha did here, WAS LEGAL. The rule does not outline any things that a team/sponsor/parent cannot do in terms of trying to sway the kid to drop the claim. If anyone is to blame, it is the AMA for allowing some of the meetings and other things to happen. I never seem to remember people being up in arms when multiple sponsors/parents would follow up with more claims to lower the chance of the original claimee getting the bike. But, because you all now feel bad for a kid who ultimately WITHDREW the claim, you're all mad. Offering engine services to the kid, support, etc, is not even closing to breaking the rule. In fact, if I was Yamaha, I'd do the same. So, you all can continue crying about this and fail to realize the facts of the matter. Poor Brendan.
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8/16/2022 12:55pm
I think the biggest thing here that people are missing is that whatever Yamaha did here, WAS LEGAL. The rule does not outline any things that...
I think the biggest thing here that people are missing is that whatever Yamaha did here, WAS LEGAL. The rule does not outline any things that a team/sponsor/parent cannot do in terms of trying to sway the kid to drop the claim. If anyone is to blame, it is the AMA for allowing some of the meetings and other things to happen. I never seem to remember people being up in arms when multiple sponsors/parents would follow up with more claims to lower the chance of the original claimee getting the bike. But, because you all now feel bad for a kid who ultimately WITHDREW the claim, you're all mad. Offering engine services to the kid, support, etc, is not even closing to breaking the rule. In fact, if I was Yamaha, I'd do the same. So, you all can continue crying about this and fail to realize the facts of the matter. Poor Brendan.
We weren't up in arms about previous claims because we just created our vital accounts today, just like you
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8/16/2022 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 1:06pm
That cleared up a lot. Thanks Steve.

I don't understand why people think Matt Walker was in the wrong. Apparently he has no connection with Yamaha or Star, but has trained Brennan for 3+ years, so cares about the guy and in his opinion thinks claiming a bike will hurt his future in the sport. Some factory Kawi rep who is responsible for hiring riders called in after Matt and said the same thing about it being a bad idea for Brennan's future in the sport. That of course then brings up the question of why even have the rule if the industry is going to black ball you like JT said.
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Matthes wrote:
I think it's clear that the kid has "misremembered" things, he hasn't had a straight story either. He seems nice, but he hasn't been 100% upfront...
I think it's clear that the kid has "misremembered" things, he hasn't had a straight story either. He seems nice, but he hasn't been 100% upfront with this whole thing either.
I can see how he might jumble things up when one of the biggest promoters is pulling him into a room with one of the biggest names in the sport to be questioned. Then one of the factory teams is pulling him into a meeting with his riding coach.

I can see how the kid would get disoriented and have trouble making distinctions and understanding the gravity of what is happening.

And that Steve is exactly why they did it.
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I think the biggest thing here that people are missing is that whatever Yamaha did here, WAS LEGAL. The rule does not outline any things that...
I think the biggest thing here that people are missing is that whatever Yamaha did here, WAS LEGAL. The rule does not outline any things that a team/sponsor/parent cannot do in terms of trying to sway the kid to drop the claim. If anyone is to blame, it is the AMA for allowing some of the meetings and other things to happen. I never seem to remember people being up in arms when multiple sponsors/parents would follow up with more claims to lower the chance of the original claimee getting the bike. But, because you all now feel bad for a kid who ultimately WITHDREW the claim, you're all mad. Offering engine services to the kid, support, etc, is not even closing to breaking the rule. In fact, if I was Yamaha, I'd do the same. So, you all can continue crying about this and fail to realize the facts of the matter. Poor Brendan.
That applies only if the claimed bike was still in play. From what we can ascertain (although not definitively proven) is that the offer was “the engines or nothing”. By that point the heat had been applied, and Brennen was feeling the burn.

It’s difficult to imagine, with the multiple players involved and the level of escalation, that the Star bike was ever leaving their pits.
8/16/2022 1:03pm
I think the biggest thing here that people are missing is that whatever Yamaha did here, WAS LEGAL. The rule does not outline any things that...
I think the biggest thing here that people are missing is that whatever Yamaha did here, WAS LEGAL. The rule does not outline any things that a team/sponsor/parent cannot do in terms of trying to sway the kid to drop the claim. If anyone is to blame, it is the AMA for allowing some of the meetings and other things to happen. I never seem to remember people being up in arms when multiple sponsors/parents would follow up with more claims to lower the chance of the original claimee getting the bike. But, because you all now feel bad for a kid who ultimately WITHDREW the claim, you're all mad. Offering engine services to the kid, support, etc, is not even closing to breaking the rule. In fact, if I was Yamaha, I'd do the same. So, you all can continue crying about this and fail to realize the facts of the matter. Poor Brendan.
early wrote:
We weren't up in arms about previous claims because we just created our vital accounts today, just like you
I managed to stay off the forums this long... figured I'd dive in today for some fun!
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GPrider wrote:
So Steve, here is the question nobody has asked. If he always had to give the bikes back and he was losing his support, then how...
So Steve, here is the question nobody has asked. If he always had to give the bikes back and he was losing his support, then how could said dealer convince him to drop the claim? He would have no leverage over the kid as he already was taking back the bikes? Also, why would he need motors from Yamaha if the bikes were going back to the dealer? Wouldn't he now need new complete bikes?
Kid needed the bikes for Walton amateur national in canada last week

And yeah, he's got some motors coming for Yamaha's, not sure what he's going to do with them
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8/16/2022 1:08pm
Landshark wrote:
This is what I learned: Top talent with big time sponsorship are ALLOWED TO CHEAT! Not allowing up and coming superstars to cheat can get you...
This is what I learned:

Top talent with big time sponsorship are ALLOWED TO CHEAT!
Not allowing up and coming superstars to cheat can get you BLACKBALLED in our sport.

GrapeApe wrote:
Where did you hear someone cheated?
He's a slow learnerer.
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8/16/2022 1:10pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2022 1:22pm
Matthes wrote:
The kid said dealer pressured him to pull the claim because of Yamaha. Kid never mentioned motors except to me. Somewhere along the way (this part...

The kid said dealer pressured him to pull the claim because of Yamaha. Kid never mentioned motors except to me.

Somewhere along the way (this part is unclear) motors were offered to the kid because earlier in the week he did go to Yamaha saying he keeps blowing up motors..

Even if Luce says "Hey man, drop the claim and we'll give you motors"..what's wrong with that as long as it wasn't under threat of intimidation or whatever and IF IT WAS, why did kid say it was his dealer pressuring him to drop claim? Why not just say that?

Why did dealer deny anyone from Yamaha ever saying they were pulling support from him and why would any reasonable person think an amateur support guy has the power to do that to a dealer in another country?

Again, if you're going scorched earth like this kid did, why throw innocent dealer under the bus and not the threat of Yamaha and taking motors?
Define what the kid did to "Going Scorched Earth" ?

The issue seems, someone brought a hi-end machine to an amateur race, that has rules in place to keep that from happening.

Instead of blaming, blackballing the kid, and raising the cost of a claim, how about we stop trying to kill the sport with unobtanium at the Am level, and hold any TEAM" accountable when they step on that grenade

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8/16/2022 1:11pm
For everyone asking about this and that, here's some reality that needs no backing to see that this is Shitty all around and there is HUGE FUCKERY afoot.

-- Claim was made. People with no business in the claim got involved.
-- Pressure and bribes were made to withdraw the claim.
-- Claim was withdrawn

No oversight or accountability was made on the entire situation. You do not need anyone that was there, you do not need to quote anyone.
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8/16/2022 1:16pm
Pakoyz250f wrote:
This was presented to you by Yamaha, Unlimited parts, Thor, Twisted tea bla bla bla
Matthes wrote:
This is what someone says that doesn't have any reasonable counterpoint to an explanation. You could have just sent me a GIF of a baby with...
This is what someone says that doesn't have any reasonable counterpoint to an explanation. You could have just sent me a GIF of a baby with his fingers in his ears.
This is what a last gasp post from a fraud sounds like. Brought to you by Yamaha of course. Nothing to see here.
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8/16/2022 1:19pm
People ask why the screen shot of Brennen talking shit at Southwick is important.... Over and Over people say how much of a nice mature well...
People ask why the screen shot of Brennen talking shit at Southwick is important....

Over and Over people say how much of a nice mature well spoken kid he is etc...


By the post he made talking shit to Deegan clearly shows he's not the nice mature kid that he portrays in the video.

So how creditable is his side of the story?
early wrote:
If Dangerboy's gonna be the next big thing in pro MX he better be ready for more heat than those couple screenshots.
I can’t believe Brian fucking Deegan stooped to the level of posting those screenshots on his Instagram story 🤦🏻‍♂️
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8/16/2022 1:24pm
Pakoyz250f wrote:
wow.. exactly the point! Nothing of what happened after the claim is right! So you are saying "either" so could you elaborate? Apart of the kid...
wow.. exactly the point! Nothing of what happened after the claim is right!

So you are saying "either" so could you elaborate?

Apart of the kid who hasn´t been 100% upfront? names?
Matthes wrote:
Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never...
Well, he said that Yamaha threatened his dealer in the first interview, then he says well he's not sure who told his dealer that. He never brought up the two motors in the first interview, isn't that a key part of this story? Like, he said he backed his claim off from pressure from his dealer and wait, didn't the two motors have something to do with this possibly?

Keep in mind, his dealer has said no one from Yamaha called him.

He told me he lost his ride because of this, his dealer is saying that's not true, that he's always had to get the bikes back.

yak651 wrote:
Get the bikes back in the middle of the season?
Of course that was the deal. Cuz thats what the dealership says. Dealerships never lie. Hahaha
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I can’t believe Brian fucking Deegan stooped to the level of posting those screenshots on his Instagram story 🤦🏻‍♂️
I can’t believe a 50 something year old asked a teenager if he was trying to defame him on YouTube.

WTF is the world coming too.
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Why would Brennan agree to accepting two motors if he knew he had to return the bikes after next race? And why are Yamaha motors so bad that “ I won’t just give you one, how about two?” Luce was sweetening a deal to drop the claim.
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Pakoyz250f wrote:
This was presented to you by Yamaha, Unlimited parts, Thor, Twisted tea bla bla bla
Matthes wrote:
This is what someone says that doesn't have any reasonable counterpoint to an explanation. You could have just sent me a GIF of a baby with...
This is what someone says that doesn't have any reasonable counterpoint to an explanation. You could have just sent me a GIF of a baby with his fingers in his ears.
FlaNard wrote:
This is what a last gasp post from a fraud sounds like. Brought to you by Yamaha of course. Nothing to see here.
Sorry I interrupted you grabbing the torches and pitch forks to actually talk to all the sides involved in this.
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wolf18 wrote:
I think what bothered me was matthes kept saying, I don’t know why this kid would put this out there. Or something like that. Basically, matthes...
I think what bothered me was matthes kept saying, I don’t know why this kid would put this out there. Or something like that. Basically, matthes was saying Brennan was lying without saying Brennan was lying.
Matthes wrote:
Well, Brennan (who seems like a good kid), said in his initial video interview that his dealer (Chris from Motoplex) told him Yamaha said they were...
Well, Brennan (who seems like a good kid), said in his initial video interview that his dealer (Chris from Motoplex) told him Yamaha said they were going to pull the dealers support and/or franchise if he went through with this claim. The dealer is saying did not say this.

Brennen said that it was Cotter and Deegan with him in a room, we know now Mike from AMA was in there also.

Brennen never mentioned the motors from Yamaha in his initial video interview, first time was to me. That seems rather important fact no?

To me, THE most effed up thing in this was Brennen saying that Yamaha was threatening this dealer..if true, that's absolutely terrible. Brennen admitted to me he didn't know WHO told his dealer that AND the dealer said no one from Yamaha said anything to him about that.

Brennan, who again SHOULD have this bike, has not been consistent in his side of the story. That's 100% true.
Some responses to your questions:

Well, Brennan (who seems like a good kid), said in his initial video interview that his dealer (Chris from Motoplex) told him Yamaha said they were going to pull the dealers support and/or franchise if he went through with this claim. The dealer is saying did not say this.

It makes a lot of sense to a ton of people that there could have likely been a coalition between Walker and Luce to bully Brennan into changing his mind. Why the hell would Luce text Walker late at night and call him back to the track for an important meeting? If the Yamaha side was “ready to let the bike go” there would be no late night call to Walker to return to the track for a private meeting. Their coalition would have likely resulted in Walker telling the Dealer that Yamaha will pull support for his dealers if Brennan didn’t retract his claim. Walker obviously did the talking to keep Luce out of it, but used Luce’s presence as a threat to the Dealer. As a result, don’t you think it’s very possible that the Dealer told Brennan’s father they need to pull their claim for this reason (for fear of losing support from Yamaha)? If yes then Brennan isn’t lying, but instead relaying the information he learned from his Dad’s discussion with the Dealer. IMO, it would be very VERY likely for a Dealer to communicate this to the Dad during their private conversation. Why? Because it takes the Dealer’s opposing stance/opinions/emotion out of the equation and makes it a much more comfortable conversation to have with the Dad in order to justify the need for the claim to be removed. And just because you claim his Dealer said he didn’t say that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen…anyone of these guys can be bluffing, so maybe keep an open mind to both sides.

Brennen said that it was Cotter and Deegan with him in a room, we know now Mike from AMA was in there also.
There was a lot of talk from Cotter on the layout of the trailer. Isn’t it possible that the layout of the trailer had Brennan facing the direction of Cotter and Deegan but he didn’t see Burkeen had entered the room or was standing in the back corner listening? Regardless whether Burkeen was in the room or not, or in front of Brennan’s face or not, 3-5 minutes of this, or 6 minutes according to Cotter, is 6 minutes way too long. It shouldn’t have happened, at ALL. This is a huge violation. Cotter seemed to care a lot about whether Brennan’s engine builder was his Dad while talking outside, but he didn’t seem to care about Brennan’s age when he took him inside by himself. Cotter said something along the lines of “I thought he was 18”. Well, unfortunately in the real world where there’s accountability, he could be terminated for this assumption no matter how good of a guy he might be.

Brennen never mentioned the motors from Yamaha in his initial video interview, first time was to me. That seems rather important fact no?

Isn’t it more important that it’s known Brennan approached Yamaha earlier in the week about those motors but didn’t get any support. But then after Brennan claimed the bike he gets a special late night meeting with Yamaha and they roll out the red carpet (a.k.a bribe) right after being threatened by the interrogation team? Just because Walker was doing the yelling, doesn’t mean Luce wasn’t part of the strongarming. Luce said, “I let Matt take the lead”. So if Luce is sitting there, going along with all the threats and yelling and he didn't object in any way, then he’s part of the bullying team too. Also, does Yamaha give two motors to all amateurs who ask for them? You made it seem like Yamaha was doing such a good gesture by taking care of his motors. Why weren’t his motors taken care of before he made the claim?

To me, THE most effed up thing in this was Brennen saying that Yamaha was threatening this dealer..if true, that's absolutely terrible. Brennen admitted to me he didn't know WHO told his dealer that AND the dealer said no one from Yamaha said anything to him about that

Read above for a logical explanation of where that came from. It’s very likely that Walker was used as the conduit for the Yamaha strongarming.

Brennan, who again SHOULD have this bike, has not been consistent in his side of the story. That's 100% true.

It’s very easy for you to say 14 times “He should have the bike” when he doesn’t actually have the bike. FYI – it’s not making you appear to be neutral in this situation when you are completely blind to any form of bullying or coalition from the guys who pay some of your bills.

A couple more things. The fact that you discussed the beef between these two kids shows intent to bash his character and paint a bad picture for his motivation/intent. His motivation or intent is completely irrelevant.

Finally, you seem to question Brennan's credibility due to his age....well, how old was that kid you let join your show to bash Brennan (friend of the Deegan's coincidentally)? Why would you let such a young kid who's not credible due to his age come onto the show and bash another kid? Seems like you had it all planned out.
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wolf18 wrote:
Where I’m getting at is this. You come across as very passionate about taking care of the privateers in our sport. And rightfully so, you do...
Where I’m getting at is this. You come across as very passionate about taking care of the privateers in our sport. And rightfully so, you do a lot for these guys that are all struggling. I think the hardest part is I don’t hear you pulling for a small time guy like Brennan in the same respect.

I don’t think I’m alone when I say that you are in a position to help with some positive changes so this never happens again. I think you could be a voice to make this right with Brennan. Why can’t star and Brennan work something out so he can maybe get a full amateur prepped bike from the team?

Yeah it’s not gonna have a engine with secret parts, but it’s step in the direction of making this right again.
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I'm pulling for Brennen in saying 14X that he should have this bike. A rule is a rule but he pulled his claim down and the...
I'm pulling for Brennen in saying 14X that he should have this bike. A rule is a rule but he pulled his claim down and the ins and outs of that are up for debate.

I don't think ruining a companies name (Yamaha) a long time industry guy (Luce) and maybe, maybe not lying about what someone told you (dealer) is cool unless that's actually what happened and it doesn't seem that it did happen the way he told it.
First it was Matt Walker doing Luce's dirty work and now you. Good job Steve, maybe Matt will give you some free riding lessons.
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8/16/2022 1:29pm
Matthes wrote:
The kid said dealer pressured him to pull the claim because of Yamaha. Kid never mentioned motors except to me. Somewhere along the way (this part...

The kid said dealer pressured him to pull the claim because of Yamaha. Kid never mentioned motors except to me.

Somewhere along the way (this part is unclear) motors were offered to the kid because earlier in the week he did go to Yamaha saying he keeps blowing up motors..

Even if Luce says "Hey man, drop the claim and we'll give you motors"..what's wrong with that as long as it wasn't under threat of intimidation or whatever and IF IT WAS, why did kid say it was his dealer pressuring him to drop claim? Why not just say that?

Why did dealer deny anyone from Yamaha ever saying they were pulling support from him and why would any reasonable person think an amateur support guy has the power to do that to a dealer in another country?

Again, if you're going scorched earth like this kid did, why throw innocent dealer under the bus and not the threat of Yamaha and taking motors?
Steve, it sounds like you’re hung up on the idea that because new details/clarifications have come out of the 57 hours of interviews that have happened since the original conversations, that somehow must mean that Brennan wasn’t truthful in the beginning. Isn’t it entirely plausible that his dealer/sponsor DID say to Brennan and/or his dad that he could lose his access to bikes or otherwise imply some sort of retaliation from Yamaha? Just because the dealer has since clarified that nobody from Yamaha contacted him doesn’t mean that Brennan fabricated the story. It could have been presented as a hypothetical that was misunderstood. Hell, that slimeball Matt Walker said that he and the dealer dude (when they met at the front gate) both didn’t want the claim to happen and that it could look bad on them since they were affiliated with Brennan. They then made their positions known (Walker’s tent) in an effort to convince Brennan to drop the claim. Hmmm, wonder what they could have said? All of that to say, with the exception of SoreLoser, the cigarettecaviar dork, and now you, the entire community seems to find Brennan’s statements to be believable and consistent. Maybe recognize that additional details coming out doesn’t mean homeboy is lying. You ok back there?
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8/16/2022 1:32pm
Matthes wrote:
Sorry I interrupted you grabbing the torches and pitch forks to actually talk to all the sides involved in this.
Let’s grab our Mulisha shirts out of our closets and start a fuckin riot.
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GPrider wrote:
So Steve, here is the question nobody has asked. If he always had to give the bikes back and he was losing his support, then how...
So Steve, here is the question nobody has asked. If he always had to give the bikes back and he was losing his support, then how could said dealer convince him to drop the claim? He would have no leverage over the kid as he already was taking back the bikes? Also, why would he need motors from Yamaha if the bikes were going back to the dealer? Wouldn't he now need new complete bikes?
Matthes wrote:
Kid needed the bikes for Walton amateur national in canada last week And yeah, he's got some motors coming for Yamaha's, not sure what he's going...
Kid needed the bikes for Walton amateur national in canada last week

And yeah, he's got some motors coming for Yamaha's, not sure what he's going to do with them
So steve, your going to point blank believe a dealership when they say yami corporate never contacted them, and the bikes were going back all along?
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