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mxtech1
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11/10/2020 2:37pm Edited Date/Time 11/10/2020 5:15pm
This has to be discussed from both perspectives

In all honesty, convince me that JGR is worth more than $300K per year. Can you? What do they bring to the table for Suzuki that they aren't already getting out of the HEP team & the numerous privateer riders in both classes?

Cuz from my perspective, JGR hasn't had the results the last several years to be in any sort of position to leverage for a bigger contract from Suzuki. Martin has been the standout....maybe the Suzuki offer would have been bigger with a 250 championship, but the JGR team is infamous for all of the shoulda-coulda-woulda seasons with all of the talent they have had.

The 2021 SX schedule looks sketchy (at best) due to COVID, TV market/exposure is already going to be reduced compared to a normal year.

Suzuki didn't pull the rug from under JGR - they made them an offer commensurate with the economic/market conditions in addition to JGR's results from the last few years, JGR made the final call that they couldn't do the deal. Why can't JGR re-scale their operation to $300K? They could go racing for $300K if they focused on only supporting 1 rider/bike and a leaner support staff.
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11/10/2020 2:37pm
CPR wrote:
Unfortunately sounds like they’re done: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/11/10/458487/s1200_EBEBA3B3_F6F5_4724_B9D2_08BC8C00E3D2.jpg[/img]
Unfortunately sounds like they’re done:

crockett wrote:
But it’s nov,10th??
Aus time
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11/10/2020 2:44pm
Good job Suzuki....as a former Suzuki dealer I’m very disappointed....anybody getting factory equipment? HEP?
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11/10/2020 2:51pm
yz133rider wrote:
This puts a mart way behind the 8 ball. Hopefully he’s been riding and training, wonder if anyone will make room for him.
Hopefully he gets on a Yami 250 and will no doubt do better than the JGR bike anyway.
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11/10/2020 2:57pm Edited Date/Time 11/10/2020 3:15pm
After all these years and all the money spent on stewart, barcia etc there is a reason they failed. Lets talk about that.
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I know its a long shot.
But id love to see Reed take on the full factory effort Suzuki team as a manager.
hes run a successful team before and stubborn enough to know what needs to be done.
knows how to set up a bike and has the connections.


Sad times to see JGR go.
Suzuki needs to get invest some money into the sport and get back to its full factory effort days.





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11/10/2020 3:01pm
The writing has been on the wall for both suzuki and jgr. They pushed and pushed for 12 years. They got race wins and some awesome TV exposure and coverage through the years. They gave guys homes and seemed to take good care of their guys. Its sad but it was pretty easy to see it coming.
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11/10/2020 3:10pm
It's entirely possible that the new SMAI president wanted to bring the race team in-house and start over from scratch with a Yoshimura Factory Suzuki effort... except that I'm almost certain that isn't the case.

If I had to guess, the US arm of Suzuki motorcycles is in money-saving mode right now. Perhaps we'll see a revitalized race effort from them in years to come. I hope so.
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11/10/2020 3:13pm
JGR has been a vital punching bag for years...don’t pretend like you care now..
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11/10/2020 3:15pm
So what are suzuki gonna do for promotion this time next year when the all new, all conquering 2022 RMZ450 hits dealer floors?

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11/10/2020 3:19pm
The end of the cursed team...
Which has been predicted here every winter for years...
Guess only the strong survive.
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Still, found some good news on Suzuki's website: "The 2021 RM-Z450 remains the champion’s choice"!
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11/10/2020 3:30pm
ZOBITO wrote:
Still, found some good news on Suzuki's website: "The 2021 RM-Z450 remains the champion’s choice"!
Whistling
Much more recently than Honda at least...
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11/10/2020 3:34pm
Damn, this is bad. Not good at all.
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11/10/2020 3:35pm
Don’t want to take this political- but I think the business climate is sliding over to a more “don’t spend” mindset considering the possibility of more lock downs on the horizon, and the governments inability to get stimulus done.
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11/10/2020 3:39pm Edited Date/Time 11/10/2020 6:49pm
They should fire one of the 5 NASCAR drivers for some funding...
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11/10/2020 3:45pm
I hope J-Bone lands somewhere in the industry.
It sucked to see two major teams go under this year- yikes!
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11/10/2020 3:45pm
ZOBITO wrote:
Still, found some good news on Suzuki's website: "The 2021 RM-Z450 remains the champion’s choice"!
Whistling
Much more recently than Honda at least...
Well Honda snagged a world championship 6 days ago...
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11/10/2020 3:51pm
...A huge thank you to the Gibbs Family for putting a team out there for the last 15 years or so.





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11/10/2020 4:10pm
Shit! Better grab a few hard parts before they close it down
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11/10/2020 4:11pm
After all these years and all the money spent on stewart, barcia etc there is a reason they failed. Lets talk about that.
Here comes the Vital cavalry to shit all over JGR.

I'd prefer to remember all the guys they gave an opportunity to, either as full-time riders or as fill-ins when needed. Off the top of my head: Justin Brayton and Weston Peick had great seasons on JGR. Brayton went to KTM with BBMX and did worse. Both Josh Grant and Davi Millsaps had some of their best overall seasons on JGR, and I'm pretty sure JG didn't win on a 450 with any other team. Stewart didn't work out as planned, but he won 2 races for them and I think any of us here would admit that 2010-2014 era James was about as erratic as it could be. Barcia was also pretty erratic, but was he any better or worse than with Honda or factory Yamaha? Seems to me like Justin's biggest obstacle has always been his own ability to set up a bike.
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11/10/2020 4:17pm
Where is that list of JGR riders that somebody wrote down last year? It had to be over 30 guys riding for that team...
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11/10/2020 4:20pm
This may be dumb question but could JGR run with a different brand? Or smaller sized team?
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11/10/2020 4:29pm
Brent wrote:
Where is that list of JGR riders that somebody wrote down last year? It had to be over 30 guys riding for that team...
I forget the thread, but I think I jokingly asked someone to name every rider and then ML512 got pretty much all of them.
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11/10/2020 4:34pm
mxtech1 wrote:
This has to be discussed from both perspectives In all honesty, convince me that JGR is worth more than $300K per year. Can you? What do...
This has to be discussed from both perspectives

In all honesty, convince me that JGR is worth more than $300K per year. Can you? What do they bring to the table for Suzuki that they aren't already getting out of the HEP team & the numerous privateer riders in both classes?

Cuz from my perspective, JGR hasn't had the results the last several years to be in any sort of position to leverage for a bigger contract from Suzuki. Martin has been the standout....maybe the Suzuki offer would have been bigger with a 250 championship, but the JGR team is infamous for all of the shoulda-coulda-woulda seasons with all of the talent they have had.

The 2021 SX schedule looks sketchy (at best) due to COVID, TV market/exposure is already going to be reduced compared to a normal year.

Suzuki didn't pull the rug from under JGR - they made them an offer commensurate with the economic/market conditions in addition to JGR's results from the last few years, JGR made the final call that they couldn't do the deal. Why can't JGR re-scale their operation to $300K? They could go racing for $300K if they focused on only supporting 1 rider/bike and a leaner support staff.
Perhaps they looked at the numbers to re-scale and still could not make it work.

This announcement sucks but it is not unexpected.....I thought this team was more likely not to be around in 2021 than the Geico team for example.
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11/10/2020 4:36pm
CPR wrote:
Unfortunately sounds like they’re done: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/11/10/458487/s1200_EBEBA3B3_F6F5_4724_B9D2_08BC8C00E3D2.jpg[/img]
Unfortunately sounds like they’re done:

Matthes spouted something off knowing the issue and then wouldn’t confirm a thing...which in itself is shitty. He should have kept his mouth shut until the actual news was out.
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11/10/2020 4:39pm
dsmith wrote:
They should fire one of the 5 NASCAR drivers for some funding...
A Joe Gibbs Toyota gets more prime airtime during one race than the whole JGR team gets all year.
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11/10/2020 4:46pm
CPR wrote:
Unfortunately sounds like they’re done: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/11/10/458487/s1200_EBEBA3B3_F6F5_4724_B9D2_08BC8C00E3D2.jpg[/img]
Unfortunately sounds like they’re done:

Matthes spouted something off knowing the issue and then wouldn’t confirm a thing...which in itself is shitty. He should have kept his mouth shut until the...
Matthes spouted something off knowing the issue and then wouldn’t confirm a thing...which in itself is shitty. He should have kept his mouth shut until the actual news was out.
You should leave him a voicemail. Race Tech rant. (Pulpmx20 to save 20% on Race Tech products and service)
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11/10/2020 4:54pm
JGR needed to change team managers about five years ago. Things haven’t been working at that team for years. The only constant through it all was the team manager. Good or bad. After years of futility a change should have been made. I get it he’s a great guy but man sometimes you need to shake things up when it’s been year after year after year of the same ho-hum results.
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11/10/2020 4:58pm
Hartraft on HEP 450s. Was supposed to be on JGR

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