Another Reason to get OUT of California >>>

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Preparing in advance for retirement, I couldn't afford a nice place in Southern California overlooking the ocean so I bought a place in Costa Rica. Four hour flight from Dallas, the Pacific is warm all year round, beautiful women, ride your dirt bike right out of the garage into the mountains, everyone rides motorcycles and ATVs, surfing and fishing year round, they love Americans, prices for fresh meat, vegetables and fruit is cheap, laid back lifestyle without traffic and more. Most likely my primary residence in the retirement years.
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9/29/2020 12:59pm
Oh please! If everyone in Cali was driving a 60's muscle car you guys would be bitching about California messing up your pristine air. The Alta was already pretty damn good, if the Japanese brands and KTM can't make a better bike than that in 15 years that's pretty sad.
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9/29/2020 1:14pm
Motoxdoc wrote:
Electric by 2035?.... Sounds good to me! Some states just don’t give a shit about their environment. I wish we could fast forward 15 years and...
Electric by 2035?.... Sounds good to me! Some states just don’t give a shit about their environment. I wish we could fast forward 15 years and see the expression on your face when you’re the only one burning fossil fuels. The times are changing old man (I am assuming) and California is on the forefront. It would behoove you to embrace new technology rather than fight it.... and if that means quieter bikes and a cleaner environment, why would you? Unsure
JM485 wrote:
I would absolutely love to hear your plan of how a rapid changeover in such a short period is even remotely feasible. I’ll wait. ....
I would absolutely love to hear your plan of how a rapid changeover in such a short period is even remotely feasible. I’ll wait. . .

This is a political stunt that sounds great on paper, nothing more. As awesome as it would be to have a switch over, we can’t even handle the current draw on our grid let alone an additional 10 million electric cars so unless we’re going to spend obscene amounts of money updating our grid over the next 15 years (with what money I have no idea) then this is just a pipe dream at best. If someone’s got a great solution to the lack of infrastructure then I’ll gladly jump on board, but there needs to be at least some sense of rationality here rather than just circumventing our governments checks and balance system to propose a completely irrational plan with nothing to back it up.

I don’t have a plan for that...but then again, I didn’t have a plan for computers, TVs, combustion engines, riding a rocket to the moon or even electricity. As you know, there were doubters with all of those advancements...Nikola Tesla would’ve told you that...and now here you are. YOU or I don’t have to have a plan for someone smarter than us to figure it out. You seem to have little faith in people...It makes me think about being asked, “How can you live without faith?”...when I tell people I don’t believe in organized religion. Some people embrace advanced technology, and have faith in the human race....and then there’s others like you.
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9/29/2020 1:44pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2020 3:37pm
Missouri and Texas are both full. Trust me.
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I'm a Realtor in Orange County and a good third of my clients that sold homes relocated out of state, Texas being the number one destination. Of those that relocated most are leaving because their employer moved to Texas.
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The worst part about people fleeing CA is that they take their BS idea's with them and ruin another perfectly good state/city.
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9/29/2020 4:38pm
Motoxdoc wrote:
Electric by 2035?.... Sounds good to me! Some states just don’t give a shit about their environment. I wish we could fast forward 15 years and...
Electric by 2035?.... Sounds good to me! Some states just don’t give a shit about their environment. I wish we could fast forward 15 years and see the expression on your face when you’re the only one burning fossil fuels. The times are changing old man (I am assuming) and California is on the forefront. It would behoove you to embrace new technology rather than fight it.... and if that means quieter bikes and a cleaner environment, why would you? Unsure
JM485 wrote:
I would absolutely love to hear your plan of how a rapid changeover in such a short period is even remotely feasible. I’ll wait. ....
I would absolutely love to hear your plan of how a rapid changeover in such a short period is even remotely feasible. I’ll wait. . .

This is a political stunt that sounds great on paper, nothing more. As awesome as it would be to have a switch over, we can’t even handle the current draw on our grid let alone an additional 10 million electric cars so unless we’re going to spend obscene amounts of money updating our grid over the next 15 years (with what money I have no idea) then this is just a pipe dream at best. If someone’s got a great solution to the lack of infrastructure then I’ll gladly jump on board, but there needs to be at least some sense of rationality here rather than just circumventing our governments checks and balance system to propose a completely irrational plan with nothing to back it up.

Motoxdoc wrote:
I don’t have a plan for that...but then again, I didn’t have a plan for computers, TVs, combustion engines, riding a rocket to the moon or...
I don’t have a plan for that...but then again, I didn’t have a plan for computers, TVs, combustion engines, riding a rocket to the moon or even electricity. As you know, there were doubters with all of those advancements...Nikola Tesla would’ve told you that...and now here you are. YOU or I don’t have to have a plan for someone smarter than us to figure it out. You seem to have little faith in people...It makes me think about being asked, “How can you live without faith?”...when I tell people I don’t believe in organized religion. Some people embrace advanced technology, and have faith in the human race....and then there’s others like you.
I’m giving an honest effort here to understanding your thought process and coming up empty, you’re going to have to help me out here. All of the examples you just gave are completely inapplicable to what’s being discussed here, all of those things mentioned were emerging technologies with the potential to change our lives greatly, what’s being discussed here is a borderline illegal government mandate that has no rational to back it up. This isn’t about “believing” or “having faith in the human race”, it’s about being a realist and understanding that technology and progress doesn’t just fall from the sky and bless us with the answer to all of our problems like the government evidently thinks it does.

The change over to electric absolutely can and should happen, however the complexities and intricacies of completely changing how we power our vehicles is way too vast to set some arbitrary timeline to. In order to meet that timeline we would need to see the collective efforts of the public and private sectors on a scale that’s probably never been seen before in history, and while vaguely possible I just don’t see that happening for obvious reasons (most notably the glacial pace and incredible lack of efficiency when it comes to government). I’d be more than happy to change over to electric, the Alta was far and away the best motorcycle I’ve ridden to this day and I did everything I could to buy one before they were all gone, but there’s serious concerns that need to be addressed if we were going to adopt on a broad scale. As an engineer it’s my job to think about the “what if”, maybe it isn’t yours but it is mine and that’s how I’m wired to think, every grand plan needs to have a grander path for execution or else it’s just a pipe dream. Very few can marry those two things, take Elon Musk for example, and Newsom sure as hell isn’t the one who’s going to be able to do it and he won’t accomplish it by making outrageous proclamations then circumventing checks and balances to put it into law via executive order.

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9/29/2020 5:08pm
JM485 wrote:
I’m giving an honest effort here to understanding your thought process and coming up empty, you’re going to have to help me out here. All of...
I’m giving an honest effort here to understanding your thought process and coming up empty, you’re going to have to help me out here. All of the examples you just gave are completely inapplicable to what’s being discussed here, all of those things mentioned were emerging technologies with the potential to change our lives greatly, what’s being discussed here is a borderline illegal government mandate that has no rational to back it up. This isn’t about “believing” or “having faith in the human race”, it’s about being a realist and understanding that technology and progress doesn’t just fall from the sky and bless us with the answer to all of our problems like the government evidently thinks it does.

The change over to electric absolutely can and should happen, however the complexities and intricacies of completely changing how we power our vehicles is way too vast to set some arbitrary timeline to. In order to meet that timeline we would need to see the collective efforts of the public and private sectors on a scale that’s probably never been seen before in history, and while vaguely possible I just don’t see that happening for obvious reasons (most notably the glacial pace and incredible lack of efficiency when it comes to government). I’d be more than happy to change over to electric, the Alta was far and away the best motorcycle I’ve ridden to this day and I did everything I could to buy one before they were all gone, but there’s serious concerns that need to be addressed if we were going to adopt on a broad scale. As an engineer it’s my job to think about the “what if”, maybe it isn’t yours but it is mine and that’s how I’m wired to think, every grand plan needs to have a grander path for execution or else it’s just a pipe dream. Very few can marry those two things, take Elon Musk for example, and Newsom sure as hell isn’t the one who’s going to be able to do it and he won’t accomplish it by making outrageous proclamations then circumventing checks and balances to put it into law via executive order.

lol...I have to be honest, I didn't even read your entire last reply. You are willing to spend more time on this than I am. To sum it up with less typing, the government is encouraging advancements in technology, and a cleaner more sustainable future and environment...you seem to be against it...me, for it. Correct?
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9/29/2020 5:31pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2020 5:32pm
...so, have all you"Grass is Greener" guys left the state yet?

Maybe so, the freeway seemed a lot less crowded today, thanks!

Send us a post card this winter when your tracks are covered in snow, bitches...
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sumdood wrote:
My problem with solar is even if I generate my own electricity through solar panels or a wind turbine or a bicycle powered generator for that...
My problem with solar is even if I generate my own electricity through solar panels or a wind turbine or a bicycle powered generator for that matter and store the power in batteries, it's still "Illegal" for me to go off grid. I have an issue with that. Years ago I had a retail pool store and had to pay for trash pickup even though my cans were empty or not even put out. I couldn't "Not" have a service even though I didn't need it.
Where do you live that "off grid" is illegal?
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9/29/2020 6:15pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2020 6:18pm
Janko630 wrote:
I followed the advice and 'got out while I could'. Now I'm stuck living beside hillbillies, rednecks, and meth-heads.

Do what's best for you.
Dude, you live in Villa Park. What did you expect? It's sure not typical of the Midwest!
My buddy just moved back here after spending 15 years living in LA. He said lots of areas there are shitholes.
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9/29/2020 7:51pm
JM485 wrote:
I would absolutely love to hear your plan of how a rapid changeover in such a short period is even remotely feasible. I’ll wait. ....
I would absolutely love to hear your plan of how a rapid changeover in such a short period is even remotely feasible. I’ll wait. . .

This is a political stunt that sounds great on paper, nothing more. As awesome as it would be to have a switch over, we can’t even handle the current draw on our grid let alone an additional 10 million electric cars so unless we’re going to spend obscene amounts of money updating our grid over the next 15 years (with what money I have no idea) then this is just a pipe dream at best. If someone’s got a great solution to the lack of infrastructure then I’ll gladly jump on board, but there needs to be at least some sense of rationality here rather than just circumventing our governments checks and balance system to propose a completely irrational plan with nothing to back it up.

Motoxdoc wrote:
I don’t have a plan for that...but then again, I didn’t have a plan for computers, TVs, combustion engines, riding a rocket to the moon or...
I don’t have a plan for that...but then again, I didn’t have a plan for computers, TVs, combustion engines, riding a rocket to the moon or even electricity. As you know, there were doubters with all of those advancements...Nikola Tesla would’ve told you that...and now here you are. YOU or I don’t have to have a plan for someone smarter than us to figure it out. You seem to have little faith in people...It makes me think about being asked, “How can you live without faith?”...when I tell people I don’t believe in organized religion. Some people embrace advanced technology, and have faith in the human race....and then there’s others like you.
JM485 wrote:
I’m giving an honest effort here to understanding your thought process and coming up empty, you’re going to have to help me out here. All of...
I’m giving an honest effort here to understanding your thought process and coming up empty, you’re going to have to help me out here. All of the examples you just gave are completely inapplicable to what’s being discussed here, all of those things mentioned were emerging technologies with the potential to change our lives greatly, what’s being discussed here is a borderline illegal government mandate that has no rational to back it up. This isn’t about “believing” or “having faith in the human race”, it’s about being a realist and understanding that technology and progress doesn’t just fall from the sky and bless us with the answer to all of our problems like the government evidently thinks it does.

The change over to electric absolutely can and should happen, however the complexities and intricacies of completely changing how we power our vehicles is way too vast to set some arbitrary timeline to. In order to meet that timeline we would need to see the collective efforts of the public and private sectors on a scale that’s probably never been seen before in history, and while vaguely possible I just don’t see that happening for obvious reasons (most notably the glacial pace and incredible lack of efficiency when it comes to government). I’d be more than happy to change over to electric, the Alta was far and away the best motorcycle I’ve ridden to this day and I did everything I could to buy one before they were all gone, but there’s serious concerns that need to be addressed if we were going to adopt on a broad scale. As an engineer it’s my job to think about the “what if”, maybe it isn’t yours but it is mine and that’s how I’m wired to think, every grand plan needs to have a grander path for execution or else it’s just a pipe dream. Very few can marry those two things, take Elon Musk for example, and Newsom sure as hell isn’t the one who’s going to be able to do it and he won’t accomplish it by making outrageous proclamations then circumventing checks and balances to put it into law via executive order.

JM485, I hear you on being realistic about big scale changes. Realistically though, 15 years is an eternity in technology. 15 years ago most people had a humungous low res TV that you couldn't see diddly on, and a cell phone that could only handle calls and texts.

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9/29/2020 7:53pm
Grew up dreaming of Cali and moto. Seeing RJ jump those cliffs was always amazing. That was the 80’s.
Finally visited Orange to see A1 in 2016. I enjoyed the few days there but I’m sure glad I don’t live there. Could not get over the amount of traffic all day every where we went.
The weather is probably the number one draw for people. The temps are just consistent in SoCal from day to day. I definitely think there are better places to live but it’s not like Cali is in the bottom 10.
I like the seasons and I think 2-3 months of cold weather is acceptable. Makes you appreciate the days when it is warm outside much more.
Had a co-worker move out there to work in the “Industry”.
He has 4 roommates and I doubt in his current position he could ever afford a home there. To each their own.

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9/29/2020 8:48pm
My yearly car tags on 7 family vehicles are starting to wear on me.
RMT wrote:
I think that would happen in any state!
Yeah.. nope. My 1 ton diesel $1500/ year , Idaho $55
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9/29/2020 8:57pm
usp4u wrote:
Its all good as long as you don't vote for the type of shit you had in the first place.

If you plan to, stay put.
^ E X A C T L Y ^

I had this talk with a few friends. I mentioned on the note of, "look, you're leaving because of something. Something where you're from changed and you got what you saw as a better opportunity to move. If you don't like where you're at, why would you vote in a way that turns the thing you're using to have a better life into the thing that made your life harder and more painful?

Do as the natives do. There's a reason something is nicer. Keep doing whatever is currently being done to maintain that nice thing you have."
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9/29/2020 9:48pm
Many Californians leaving, especially the riders, were not the reason why these changes came.
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9/29/2020 11:01pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2020 12:45am
sumdood wrote:
My problem with solar is even if I generate my own electricity through solar panels or a wind turbine or a bicycle powered generator for that...
My problem with solar is even if I generate my own electricity through solar panels or a wind turbine or a bicycle powered generator for that matter and store the power in batteries, it's still "Illegal" for me to go off grid. I have an issue with that. Years ago I had a retail pool store and had to pay for trash pickup even though my cans were empty or not even put out. I couldn't "Not" have a service even though I didn't need it.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Where do you live that "off grid" is illegal?
So Cal. Everything’s illegal here
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9/30/2020 11:30am
SrfNdirt wrote:
Funny how if you make one little comment about politics your response gets clicked. But yet some of the replies in this thread do not.
I’ve been a little busy this week, shooting at WW Ranch ( yeah, it kinda kicked my ass), and making the drive to Denver.
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9/30/2020 11:38am
These are the good olden days, the sport will go electric just like the world will. Take it in while you can.
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9/30/2020 12:00pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2020 12:07pm
sumdood wrote:
So Cal. Everything’s illegal here
Not really. In Kalifornia the illegals are legal...

And, they get lots of free shit from truly legal citizens who have to work to give the legal illegals free shit.
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JamesReed wrote:
JM485, I hear you on being realistic about big scale changes. Realistically though, 15 years is an eternity in technology. 15 years ago most people had...
JM485, I hear you on being realistic about big scale changes. Realistically though, 15 years is an eternity in technology. 15 years ago most people had a humungous low res TV that you couldn't see diddly on, and a cell phone that could only handle calls and texts.

Yes, sometimes there are large scale projects that the private sector just can't make happen on its own, and a governmental nudge is needed to make these things happen.

I'm not sure if there is any reasonable argument against converting our transportation system from primarily internal combustion-based to electric based.

Building the electrical infrastructure to handle that shift is a big hurdle. But when the government says it has to be done, it creates more of an incentive for private (and quasi-private) organizations to spend the money to engineer the solutions.
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E vehicles are not emissions free. The electricity to charge the batteries comes from sources that emit emissions. Are they as a whole cleaner than internal combustion engines? Possibly and even probably. How much more efficient? 5%? 20,30? What is going to be the infrastructure cost to change over? Is that worth the gain in efficiency? Neither technology is standing still either. IC engines are much cleaner than older ones and it seems they keep getting cleaner. Battery tech is improving also. The problem comes when the government mandates a winner. Is the objective cleaner air by any means or cleaner air by my favorite technology. Until now the government set standards of efficiency and it did not matter how you got there. That has to be the better way. Set standards and let the engineers figure out the means.
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9/30/2020 2:57pm
Also not mentioned is all the mining required and production necessary for the batteries. Fuel, Labor and the byproducts are horrendous.
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9/30/2020 3:12pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2020 3:19pm
Personally I think hybrids are the future. Combing both technologies. Smaller engines and fewer and smaller batteries. There is so much IC tech left to tap and a lot already exists. For example eliminating cams. Let solenoids operate valves. On cars once you get more batteries you can run all the parasitic loads off them..water pump, air conditioning ect...so much power to be gained and running much smaller engines. Locomotives have been hybrids for decades now. The diesel engine runs the generator for the electric power. I think almost anyone could get behind a hybrid PU capable of towing 30,000 lbs and getting great fuel mileage.
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9/30/2020 3:19pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2020 3:23pm
I have a friend that works at KTM in Murrieta, and I've been told that they are making some big advances in their e motorcycle project, apparently are going to make a big splash in this technology in 2022 for the off road line.
9/30/2020 4:44pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2020 4:51pm
Electric alone CANNOT happen as CA is suggesting WITHOUT major costs involved. Lets think about this a little.... what happened recently in CA when it was HOT and the electric grid COULDN"T handle the loads and power was SHUTOFF to avoid blackouts. An average EV to charge for 20 minutes is the same load on the grid that (3) average households use during peak usage. Have to factor in the many more non-native people settling in too. Sorry you can't drive/ride now because we have an electricity drought, or yes you can have electricity at a high tier cost. Someone has to pay for the upgraded infrastructure. Unlike Texas where there is competitive markets for electricity providers (yes you can choose who you want like cable TV). Great SCE & PG&E will control your cost. Your riding won't be measured in Gallons of Fuel or Mileage, rather time and a payment card for the electrical infrastructure. Maybe you can get your name on the 480kV tower??

I wonder how many electric motors that run hot will ignite the unmanaged brush in CA and WhyTF can't we buy more fire-fighting planes and have better plans in place to avoid these yearly fires. I'm certain that my exhaust w/o spark arrestor on my offroad bike would kill me if I had to rely on it for a source of fire.

But as logic goes out the window, maybe I should buy stock in Duracel and Energizer who might power these things that some call dirtbikes. Ecigs too! Nothing like riding an electric motorcycle down the road with an e-cig in your mouth with the fake tata woman on the back.
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Electric alone CANNOT happen as CA is suggesting WITHOUT major costs involved. Lets think about this a little.... what happened recently in CA when it was...
Electric alone CANNOT happen as CA is suggesting WITHOUT major costs involved. Lets think about this a little.... what happened recently in CA when it was HOT and the electric grid COULDN"T handle the loads and power was SHUTOFF to avoid blackouts. An average EV to charge for 20 minutes is the same load on the grid that (3) average households use during peak usage. Have to factor in the many more non-native people settling in too. Sorry you can't drive/ride now because we have an electricity drought, or yes you can have electricity at a high tier cost. Someone has to pay for the upgraded infrastructure. Unlike Texas where there is competitive markets for electricity providers (yes you can choose who you want like cable TV). Great SCE & PG&E will control your cost. Your riding won't be measured in Gallons of Fuel or Mileage, rather time and a payment card for the electrical infrastructure. Maybe you can get your name on the 480kV tower??

I wonder how many electric motors that run hot will ignite the unmanaged brush in CA and WhyTF can't we buy more fire-fighting planes and have better plans in place to avoid these yearly fires. I'm certain that my exhaust w/o spark arrestor on my offroad bike would kill me if I had to rely on it for a source of fire.

But as logic goes out the window, maybe I should buy stock in Duracel and Energizer who might power these things that some call dirtbikes. Ecigs too! Nothing like riding an electric motorcycle down the road with an e-cig in your mouth with the fake tata woman on the back.
One of the solutions is that electric vehicles can be used as a battery to send power back into the system when they aren't being used.

"Under this relatively new concept, electric cars would store and dispatch electrical energy stored in networked vehicle batteries which together act as one collective battery fleet for ‘peak shaving’ (sending power back to the grid when demand is high) and ‘valley filling’ (charging at night when demand is low)

When the electric utility would like to buy power from the network, it holds an auction. The car owners or leasing companies would be able to define the parameters under which they will sell energy from their battery pack."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/vehicle-to-grid
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9/30/2020 4:57pm
Electric alone CANNOT happen as CA is suggesting WITHOUT major costs involved. Lets think about this a little.... what happened recently in CA when it was...
Electric alone CANNOT happen as CA is suggesting WITHOUT major costs involved. Lets think about this a little.... what happened recently in CA when it was HOT and the electric grid COULDN"T handle the loads and power was SHUTOFF to avoid blackouts. An average EV to charge for 20 minutes is the same load on the grid that (3) average households use during peak usage. Have to factor in the many more non-native people settling in too. Sorry you can't drive/ride now because we have an electricity drought, or yes you can have electricity at a high tier cost. Someone has to pay for the upgraded infrastructure. Unlike Texas where there is competitive markets for electricity providers (yes you can choose who you want like cable TV). Great SCE & PG&E will control your cost. Your riding won't be measured in Gallons of Fuel or Mileage, rather time and a payment card for the electrical infrastructure. Maybe you can get your name on the 480kV tower??

I wonder how many electric motors that run hot will ignite the unmanaged brush in CA and WhyTF can't we buy more fire-fighting planes and have better plans in place to avoid these yearly fires. I'm certain that my exhaust w/o spark arrestor on my offroad bike would kill me if I had to rely on it for a source of fire.

But as logic goes out the window, maybe I should buy stock in Duracel and Energizer who might power these things that some call dirtbikes. Ecigs too! Nothing like riding an electric motorcycle down the road with an e-cig in your mouth with the fake tata woman on the back.
RichieW13 wrote:
One of the solutions is that electric vehicles can be used as a battery to send power back into the system when they aren't being used...
One of the solutions is that electric vehicles can be used as a battery to send power back into the system when they aren't being used.

"Under this relatively new concept, electric cars would store and dispatch electrical energy stored in networked vehicle batteries which together act as one collective battery fleet for ‘peak shaving’ (sending power back to the grid when demand is high) and ‘valley filling’ (charging at night when demand is low)

When the electric utility would like to buy power from the network, it holds an auction. The car owners or leasing companies would be able to define the parameters under which they will sell energy from their battery pack."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/vehicle-to-grid
Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving you the same price per unit as what they would charge you. I'd rather walk than drive an EV.
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Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving...
Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving you the same price per unit as what they would charge you. I'd rather walk than drive an EV.
Well, the point isn't for people to get rich selling their electricity, but to just encourage people to send power back to the grid when they don't need it. Though, since it's an auction, it's quite possible that you could be paid quite a bit for your electricity in times of high demand.

"I'd rather walk than drive an EV."

Sure you would.
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