New Bike sales

Rawly wrote:

Bought my 2019 350XC-F from Thousand Oaks Powersports , they matched the best deal that I could find , so price was good and they were...

Bought my 2019 350XC-F from Thousand Oaks Powersports , they matched the best deal that I could find , so price was good and they were local . Hour meter had 1.7 hours on it. I questioned the salesman and he said it was because they start them up and run em occasionally. Then I looked closer at the bike , no tits on the rear tire and dirt in various places that they missed. They were trying to sell me a demo as a new bike. I switched it with a brand new bike and left pissed off. Came back two weeks later for decals that were pealing off of the new bike , and guess what bike was still for sale as a new bike. I asked a different salesman about the bike and he also said it was a new bike. I realize that the time on the bike was minimal , but their lack of honesty has lost them a customer for life.

Rawly wrote:

Bought my 2019 350XC-F from Thousand Oaks Powersports , they matched the best deal that I could find , so price was good and they were...

Bought my 2019 350XC-F from Thousand Oaks Powersports , they matched the best deal that I could find , so price was good and they were local . Hour meter had 1.7 hours on it. I questioned the salesman and he said it was because they start them up and run em occasionally. Then I looked closer at the bike , no tits on the rear tire and dirt in various places that they missed. They were trying to sell me a demo as a new bike. I switched it with a brand new bike and left pissed off. Came back two weeks later for decals that were pealing off of the new bike , and guess what bike was still for sale as a new bike. I asked a different salesman about the bike and he also said it was a new bike. I realize that the time on the bike was minimal , but their lack of honesty has lost them a customer for life.

Kennyfreemoney wrote:

New means never sold or titled. There are plenty fo cars sold every day that are "new" with 3000 miles on them. New means never titled...

New means never sold or titled. There are plenty fo cars sold every day that are "new" with 3000 miles on them. New means never titled. Factory warranty has not started yet. They weren't being dishonest. It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours.

Rawly wrote:

Bought my 2019 350XC-F from Thousand Oaks Powersports , they matched the best deal that I could find , so price was good and they were...

Bought my 2019 350XC-F from Thousand Oaks Powersports , they matched the best deal that I could find , so price was good and they were local . Hour meter had 1.7 hours on it. I questioned the salesman and he said it was because they start them up and run em occasionally. Then I looked closer at the bike , no tits on the rear tire and dirt in various places that they missed. They were trying to sell me a demo as a new bike. I switched it with a brand new bike and left pissed off. Came back two weeks later for decals that were pealing off of the new bike , and guess what bike was still for sale as a new bike. I asked a different salesman about the bike and he also said it was a new bike. I realize that the time on the bike was minimal , but their lack of honesty has lost them a customer for life.

Kennyfreemoney wrote:

New means never sold or titled. There are plenty fo cars sold every day that are "new" with 3000 miles on them. New means never titled...

New means never sold or titled. There are plenty fo cars sold every day that are "new" with 3000 miles on them. New means never titled. Factory warranty has not started yet. They weren't being dishonest. It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours.

cdncombatmedic wrote:

You are the problem if you think that's ok.

Kennyfreemoney wrote:

New means never sold or titled. There are plenty fo cars sold every day that are "new" with 3000 miles on them. New means never titled...

New means never sold or titled. There are plenty fo cars sold every day that are "new" with 3000 miles on them. New means never titled. Factory warranty has not started yet. They weren't being dishonest. It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours.

cdncombatmedic wrote:

You are the problem if you think that's ok.

Iridereallyslow wrote:

Quarantine getting to you? Kenny isn’t the problem, nor did he say it’s okay, just stating facts. If you want a bike that only you and...

Quarantine getting to you? Kenny isn’t the problem, nor did he say it’s okay, just stating facts.

If you want a bike that only you and the mechanic doing the PDI touch once it leaves that crate, you can buy that, but you’re probably not going to get the best deal. Want the best deal, well then you’re probably going to end up with the unit that is a little older, or has a few scratches, or has a couple hours. The bikes aren’t plastic wrapped in the dealership after they’re put together, they get ran, bumped into, etc.

Herb Eaversmells wrote:

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TeamGreen wrote:

That's kinda disappointing...for a lot of old school SoCal racing reasons on-top of the BS that the ad has turned out to be... If I'm recalling...

That's kinda disappointing...for a lot of old school SoCal racing reasons on-top of the BS that the ad has turned out to be...

If I'm recalling correctly, Thousand Oaks Yamaha was balls deep in the MX racing scene...back in the day...using that very same "Thousand Oaks" logo. They were awesome & supported a lot of racers. Now, I know the dealer has been sold & I think it's 'car folks' that bught it?

The GOOD NEWS about all that is that the same kind of support that Thousand Oaks once had, and...I believe...some of the same people, are now at Simi Valley Cycles. I think it's Mike Gilstrap that's at the heart of all their Yamaha Moto Support...just like he was at the "old" Thousand Oaks.

So, GIlly has moved on and he's STILL HELPING RACERS!

As for that Thousand Oaks ad?
Well, THAT...the lying BS advert that says one thing and ends up with "FEES" from HELL that make the ad out to be PURE BULLSHIT?!

NOT COOL!

As a communtiy of wound-up moto-heads, we need to steer our freinds towards dealers like:

Simi Valley Cycles - They sell more than just Yamaha (Simi is in Simi...in Cali)

Donnell's Cycles, Indepedence, MO - Honda, Suzuki, Husky, KTM

Fator's Husqvarna-KTM-Suzuki - Redding, Ca

AEO Powersports-KTM/HQV - Murrieta, Ca (I think there's a store in AZ?)

3 Bros KTM - Costa Mesa/Newport Beach, Ca (There are other locations)

These dealers have had parts, bikes, gear...etc. when I or my friends have needed them and at good prices.

Any other local shop that any of you care to add? please, do it!

RichieW13 wrote:

I heard that the new owners of Thousand Oaks Powersports are/were owners at The Guitar Center.

cdncombatmedic wrote:

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours" I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's...

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours"
I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's a new bike.

cdncombatmedic wrote:

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours" I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's...

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours"
I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's a new bike.

Iridereallyslow wrote:

In the case here, the context of the word NEW was/is in regards to the status of ownership. Not usage.

cdncombatmedic wrote:

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours" I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's...

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours"
I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's a new bike.

Iridereallyslow wrote:

In the case here, the context of the word NEW was/is in regards to the status of ownership. Not usage.

spimx wrote:

I tried to buy a 2018 crf110 a few days ago. Literally 900$ in fees on a 1900 bike. Those numbers mean nothing.

Herb Eaversmells wrote:

Just called


Only 1 left


Only extra $2400 to sale price.


That’s $9300.00. OTD

Huckster wrote:

$2400 in Fees? How is that even allowed? Such BS.

40acres wrote:

For starters, you can't sell a current year model bike for under MSRP minus rebates (MAP). But you can sure as shit make that up with...

For starters, you can't sell a current year model bike for under MSRP minus rebates (MAP). But you can sure as shit make that up with fees!

2and, a dealer is not going to sell a bike for under dealer invoice and lose money, so advertise super low and jack up the fees to break even or make a little money.

A quick calculation you can do on your own. Take the MSRP of a bike and subtract 10% from that as well as any applicable rebates. If the advertised price is anything lower, then expect to get smacked with crazy fees. This should cause you much less frustration in the long run. As the old saying goes, if a deal sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

The sooner you all figure this out and stop expecting there to be huge margins on motorcycles for dealers to work with, we can essentially move on from these bike pricing conversations.

Rawly wrote:

Bought my 2019 350XC-F from Thousand Oaks Powersports , they matched the best deal that I could find , so price was good and they were...

Bought my 2019 350XC-F from Thousand Oaks Powersports , they matched the best deal that I could find , so price was good and they were local . Hour meter had 1.7 hours on it. I questioned the salesman and he said it was because they start them up and run em occasionally. Then I looked closer at the bike , no tits on the rear tire and dirt in various places that they missed. They were trying to sell me a demo as a new bike. I switched it with a brand new bike and left pissed off. Came back two weeks later for decals that were pealing off of the new bike , and guess what bike was still for sale as a new bike. I asked a different salesman about the bike and he also said it was a new bike. I realize that the time on the bike was minimal , but their lack of honesty has lost them a customer for life.

Kennyfreemoney wrote:

New means never sold or titled. There are plenty fo cars sold every day that are "new" with 3000 miles on them. New means never titled...

New means never sold or titled. There are plenty fo cars sold every day that are "new" with 3000 miles on them. New means never titled. Factory warranty has not started yet. They weren't being dishonest. It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours.

mac3-d wrote:

Last 4 new bikes I bought i asked the dealer to get his son to run them in for me, worked a treat as I always...

Last 4 new bikes I bought i asked the dealer to get his son to run them in for me, worked a treat as I always hated that part.

cdncombatmedic wrote:

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours" I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's...

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours"
I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's a new bike.

Iridereallyslow wrote:

In the case here, the context of the word NEW was/is in regards to the status of ownership. Not usage.

cdncombatmedic wrote:

Don't care...

cdncombatmedic wrote:

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours" I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's...

"It was a new bike with 1.7 demo hours"
I don't care, that is not a new bike. You are not going to tell me that's a new bike.

Iridereallyslow wrote:

In the case here, the context of the word NEW was/is in regards to the status of ownership. Not usage.

Indy mxer wrote:

That's BS. Any mx bike with 1.7 hours on it is a demo plain and simple. Not new by any stretch. My brother is a long...

That's BS. Any mx bike with 1.7 hours on it is a demo plain and simple. Not new by any stretch.

My brother is a long time Kaw/Polaris dealer and has had a few KX's he's demo'd. He advertises them as such. Trying to say they're new is just being dishonest.

2 years ago my wife bought a Lexus suv. She was looking new, but the salesman mentioned they had one just like she wanted with 1500 miles on it. It was used as a loaner when people had their vehicles is for service. It had never been titled and was all but new. He made it crystal clear it was a demo and never even implied it was new.

PJRAUS wrote:

Ummm....no...go do some study on the repo market collapse...it started in September 2019...the Fed has had it on life support ever since.. This virus buisness is...

Ummm....no...go do some study on the repo market collapse...it started in September 2019...the Fed has had it on life support ever since..
This virus buisness is a catylist for sure...but the financial meltdown of 2008 has never been resolved....our western world is nothing more than a house of cards built on a mountain of crumbling toxic debt....the only thing preventing it all from imploding has been never ending central bank quantitative easing ( money printing) it's been going on like a freight train down a steep hill since 2008...and it came unstuck again in September 2019...
We are all about to find out if printing money to infinity will actually save the day..

Huckster wrote:

$2400 in Fees? How is that even allowed? Such BS.

40acres wrote:

For starters, you can't sell a current year model bike for under MSRP minus rebates (MAP). But you can sure as shit make that up with...

For starters, you can't sell a current year model bike for under MSRP minus rebates (MAP). But you can sure as shit make that up with fees!

2and, a dealer is not going to sell a bike for under dealer invoice and lose money, so advertise super low and jack up the fees to break even or make a little money.

A quick calculation you can do on your own. Take the MSRP of a bike and subtract 10% from that as well as any applicable rebates. If the advertised price is anything lower, then expect to get smacked with crazy fees. This should cause you much less frustration in the long run. As the old saying goes, if a deal sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

The sooner you all figure this out and stop expecting there to be huge margins on motorcycles for dealers to work with, we can essentially move on from these bike pricing conversations.

Dirtysmile56 wrote:

You actually can buy a 2020 KX250f for $4,999 in Oregon at Power Motorsports. I buy one just about every 18 months. No sales tax and...

You actually can buy a 2020 KX250f for $4,999 in Oregon at Power Motorsports. I buy one just about every 18 months. No sales tax and no set up fees. This couldn't happen in Kommiefornia. I just checked their website and it looks like the 250's are sold out already but the 450's are still $6,999. This can be your OTD price if you pay cash. I don't work for them , I live 2.5 hrs away and I honestly would have never owned a Kawi but at the prices you can get them for it's hard not to keep going back. My '19 is the 4th Kx250f I've had and they have all been super reliable with no problems.
2020 KX450

Iridereallyslow wrote:

In the case here, the context of the word NEW was/is in regards to the status of ownership. Not usage.

cdncombatmedic wrote:

Don't care...

SLAPAHO wrote:

You can stomp your feet and be super real mad, and "not care", but it doesn't change anything. In the U.S., if the vehicle (motorcycle, car...

You can stomp your feet and be super real mad, and "not care", but it doesn't change anything. In the U.S., if the vehicle (motorcycle, car, truck, boat, motorhome, atv, pwc, etc..) has never been registered, it is considered a NEW vehicle.
Personally, i think the dealer should have disclosed this in the ad, but he doesn't have to.... but when it comes down to signing paperwork, it is 100% something that has to be disclosed to the buyer and there's also a form that has to be signed by the buyer stating that they have been told...

Iridereallyslow wrote:

In the case here, the context of the word NEW was/is in regards to the status of ownership. Not usage.

Indy mxer wrote:

That's BS. Any mx bike with 1.7 hours on it is a demo plain and simple. Not new by any stretch. My brother is a long...

That's BS. Any mx bike with 1.7 hours on it is a demo plain and simple. Not new by any stretch.

My brother is a long time Kaw/Polaris dealer and has had a few KX's he's demo'd. He advertises them as such. Trying to say they're new is just being dishonest.

2 years ago my wife bought a Lexus suv. She was looking new, but the salesman mentioned they had one just like she wanted with 1500 miles on it. It was used as a loaner when people had their vehicles is for service. It had never been titled and was all but new. He made it crystal clear it was a demo and never even implied it was new.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Loaner cars are a bit different, as the dealer and the manufacturer treat those as a “sold” vehicle even though the manufacturer warranty usually doesn’t start...

Loaner cars are a bit different, as the dealer and the manufacturer treat those as a “sold” vehicle even though the manufacturer warranty usually doesn’t start until it’s actually sold to a retail customer. Some of it is actually illegal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/business/why-monthly-auto-sales-numb…

PJRAUS wrote:

Ummm....no...go do some study on the repo market collapse...it started in September 2019...the Fed has had it on life support ever since.. This virus buisness is...

Ummm....no...go do some study on the repo market collapse...it started in September 2019...the Fed has had it on life support ever since..
This virus buisness is a catylist for sure...but the financial meltdown of 2008 has never been resolved....our western world is nothing more than a house of cards built on a mountain of crumbling toxic debt....the only thing preventing it all from imploding has been never ending central bank quantitative easing ( money printing) it's been going on like a freight train down a steep hill since 2008...and it came unstuck again in September 2019...
We are all about to find out if printing money to infinity will actually save the day..

JustMX wrote:

Print your way out of debt, is that modern monetary theory in a nutshell?

cdncombatmedic wrote:

Don't care...

SLAPAHO wrote:

You can stomp your feet and be super real mad, and "not care", but it doesn't change anything. In the U.S., if the vehicle (motorcycle, car...

You can stomp your feet and be super real mad, and "not care", but it doesn't change anything. In the U.S., if the vehicle (motorcycle, car, truck, boat, motorhome, atv, pwc, etc..) has never been registered, it is considered a NEW vehicle.
Personally, i think the dealer should have disclosed this in the ad, but he doesn't have to.... but when it comes down to signing paperwork, it is 100% something that has to be disclosed to the buyer and there's also a form that has to be signed by the buyer stating that they have been told...

Indy mxer wrote:

What if the bike had 10 hours on it? Is it still new because it's never been titled? lmao. Used is used, whether it's a little...

What if the bike had 10 hours on it? Is it still new because it's never been titled? lmao. Used is used, whether it's a little or a lot.

I don't know where the hell you came up with that, maybe where you live dealers pull that shit. My family has been in the business since 1974 and I've never seen a dealer call a demo bike "new".

Herb Eaversmells wrote:

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TeamGreen wrote:

That's kinda disappointing...for a lot of old school SoCal racing reasons on-top of the BS that the ad has turned out to be... If I'm recalling...

That's kinda disappointing...for a lot of old school SoCal racing reasons on-top of the BS that the ad has turned out to be...

If I'm recalling correctly, Thousand Oaks Yamaha was balls deep in the MX racing scene...back in the day...using that very same "Thousand Oaks" logo. They were awesome & supported a lot of racers. Now, I know the dealer has been sold & I think it's 'car folks' that bught it?

The GOOD NEWS about all that is that the same kind of support that Thousand Oaks once had, and...I believe...some of the same people, are now at Simi Valley Cycles. I think it's Mike Gilstrap that's at the heart of all their Yamaha Moto Support...just like he was at the "old" Thousand Oaks.

So, GIlly has moved on and he's STILL HELPING RACERS!

As for that Thousand Oaks ad?
Well, THAT...the lying BS advert that says one thing and ends up with "FEES" from HELL that make the ad out to be PURE BULLSHIT?!

NOT COOL!

As a communtiy of wound-up moto-heads, we need to steer our freinds towards dealers like:

Simi Valley Cycles - They sell more than just Yamaha (Simi is in Simi...in Cali)

Donnell's Cycles, Indepedence, MO - Honda, Suzuki, Husky, KTM

Fator's Husqvarna-KTM-Suzuki - Redding, Ca

AEO Powersports-KTM/HQV - Murrieta, Ca (I think there's a store in AZ?)

3 Bros KTM - Costa Mesa/Newport Beach, Ca (There are other locations)

These dealers have had parts, bikes, gear...etc. when I or my friends have needed them and at good prices.

Any other local shop that any of you care to add? please, do it!

TeamGreen wrote:

That's kinda disappointing...for a lot of old school SoCal racing reasons on-top of the BS that the ad has turned out to be... If I'm recalling...

That's kinda disappointing...for a lot of old school SoCal racing reasons on-top of the BS that the ad has turned out to be...

If I'm recalling correctly, Thousand Oaks Yamaha was balls deep in the MX racing scene...back in the day...using that very same "Thousand Oaks" logo. They were awesome & supported a lot of racers. Now, I know the dealer has been sold & I think it's 'car folks' that bught it?

The GOOD NEWS about all that is that the same kind of support that Thousand Oaks once had, and...I believe...some of the same people, are now at Simi Valley Cycles. I think it's Mike Gilstrap that's at the heart of all their Yamaha Moto Support...just like he was at the "old" Thousand Oaks.

So, GIlly has moved on and he's STILL HELPING RACERS!

As for that Thousand Oaks ad?
Well, THAT...the lying BS advert that says one thing and ends up with "FEES" from HELL that make the ad out to be PURE BULLSHIT?!

NOT COOL!

As a communtiy of wound-up moto-heads, we need to steer our freinds towards dealers like:

Simi Valley Cycles - They sell more than just Yamaha (Simi is in Simi...in Cali)

Donnell's Cycles, Indepedence, MO - Honda, Suzuki, Husky, KTM

Fator's Husqvarna-KTM-Suzuki - Redding, Ca

AEO Powersports-KTM/HQV - Murrieta, Ca (I think there's a store in AZ?)

3 Bros KTM - Costa Mesa/Newport Beach, Ca (There are other locations)

These dealers have had parts, bikes, gear...etc. when I or my friends have needed them and at good prices.

Any other local shop that any of you care to add? please, do it!

Spergen wrote:

Good post and I like your thinking, what would be good is to have a trusted dealer section on the forum. Many, many benefits but the...

Good post and I like your thinking, what would be good is to have a trusted dealer section on the forum. Many, many benefits but the only downside I see is that one transaction that always goes bad no matter how good the company/dealer is.

TeamGreen wrote:

About the "Bad Transaction"...even at a good shop...sure, it happens. People are people and shit happens; but, these Mega-Mall Retail "Automall" based set-ups are pretty terrible...

About the "Bad Transaction"...even at a good shop...sure, it happens. People are people and shit happens; but, these Mega-Mall Retail "Automall" based set-ups are pretty terrible. Finding that good local dealer that's gonna get ya what ya need so you can get to the track? That's who we need to support.

Yup...now that ya mention it...

If we need another thread...we should let it evolve into a "List of Good Dealers" based on our own experiences. Btw, EVERY dealer I listed, I've bought from or I've worked with -closley- and got to know the people involved.

Examples:
I've bought many motorcycles & LOTS of parts from Fator's. They've sold many, many bikes to family and friends.

Plenty of parts and accessories from Donnell's that THEY'VE SHIPPED as well or better than the dot-coms. Many friends, even out here in Cali, have bought bikes from them...again, shipped smoothly!

I've bought last-minute parts on the way to the track, ridden bikes set-up by, "worked" at a dealer signing & attended demo's with 3 Bro's. Amazing people. Amazing family.

AEO? Well, the dude that own's the place was our "Husky Tech" during ML's 250 Shoot-Out. He was gracoius & knowlwedgeable. So, I sent a few friends that way. They're STOKED on the guy!

Simi Valley Cycles? Have ya raced Mammoth lately? (2019) Did ya see the Yamaha folks right by the podium & pitted with Twisted Development? Yup. That's the Simi Valley "Gilly" Possie. They're awesome peeps and I've seen them be ridiculously generous with their time...and parts.

While we're here: A shout out to Chaparral. I've seen plenty of people get great deals there, they've got parts...in stock, they put A LOT OF $$$ back into racing.

Herb Eaversmells wrote:

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TeamGreen wrote:

That's kinda disappointing...for a lot of old school SoCal racing reasons on-top of the BS that the ad has turned out to be... If I'm recalling...

That's kinda disappointing...for a lot of old school SoCal racing reasons on-top of the BS that the ad has turned out to be...

If I'm recalling correctly, Thousand Oaks Yamaha was balls deep in the MX racing scene...back in the day...using that very same "Thousand Oaks" logo. They were awesome & supported a lot of racers. Now, I know the dealer has been sold & I think it's 'car folks' that bught it?

The GOOD NEWS about all that is that the same kind of support that Thousand Oaks once had, and...I believe...some of the same people, are now at Simi Valley Cycles. I think it's Mike Gilstrap that's at the heart of all their Yamaha Moto Support...just like he was at the "old" Thousand Oaks.

So, GIlly has moved on and he's STILL HELPING RACERS!

As for that Thousand Oaks ad?
Well, THAT...the lying BS advert that says one thing and ends up with "FEES" from HELL that make the ad out to be PURE BULLSHIT?!

NOT COOL!

As a communtiy of wound-up moto-heads, we need to steer our freinds towards dealers like:

Simi Valley Cycles - They sell more than just Yamaha (Simi is in Simi...in Cali)

Donnell's Cycles, Indepedence, MO - Honda, Suzuki, Husky, KTM

Fator's Husqvarna-KTM-Suzuki - Redding, Ca

AEO Powersports-KTM/HQV - Murrieta, Ca (I think there's a store in AZ?)

3 Bros KTM - Costa Mesa/Newport Beach, Ca (There are other locations)

These dealers have had parts, bikes, gear...etc. when I or my friends have needed them and at good prices.

Any other local shop that any of you care to add? please, do it!

RMT wrote:

Nice post and very timely. I don’t know Fator, but Simi and Donell’s are very similar. I thought i was the only goofball that knew KC...

Nice post and very timely. I don’t know Fator, but Simi and Donell’s are very similar. I thought i was the only goofball that knew KC dealers as well as Socal dealers! Let’s throw in Tam T @ Mark IV in VA and we have the country covered!