Tomac's triple jump passes

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Mossy 2/23/2020 8:08am
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Kenny was okay with it, I'm 99% positive El Hombre was okay with it. It's racing, they all know this.
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ATKpilot99 2/23/2020 8:09am
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The only place this seems to be an issue is in this forum.
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aees wrote:
So cross jumping is fine then according to you.
It is never "ok".. But at that level, where 7 digit checks are ultimately on the line, it is more commonly being used as a way of securing a pass... when it becomes more common at that level, you have to defend against it.... and when trying to make the statement of "this is MY title this year", I can absolutely see why tomac is doing it.... Et3 is taking sx seriously this year, serious enough that he is willing to send the message to his competitors of "I can and will cross jump your ass at any time"... Passing et3 is hard enough, let alone when he is in Viking mode (destroy'em ALL)...
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Excaliburbmx 2/23/2020 8:20am
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Hopefully they can cut down all the obstacles and ride single file so all you whiners will like it better.
Tomac is by far the cleanest racer out there heck the 250 class just keeps taking turn cleaning each other out and that’s just racing.
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davis224 wrote:
I like Tomac but that was borderline sketchy. I wouldn't have been happy if it were me. I never want to hear anybody complain about Musquin's...
I like Tomac but that was borderline sketchy. I wouldn't have been happy if it were me. I never want to hear anybody complain about Musquin's alleged cross jumping again, he's never moved over that close to someone, and he got skewered for it. I'll give Tomac a pass because he's never been that aggressive before now.
soggy wrote:
I dont think you understand the difference between cross jumping, and taking someones line away that you are in front of.
davis224 wrote:
I never said Eli cross jumped. Moving over that hard, whether it was the racing line or not, that close to someone looked sketchy to me...
I never said Eli cross jumped. Moving over that hard, whether it was the racing line or not, that close to someone looked sketchy to me. Obviously Ken and Jason knew enough to check up. But Musquin moves over with a several bike length lead and gets torn apart for "cross jumping", and Tomac does the same thing less than a foot away from them and it's fine. I'm a fan of both riders, but it's hard to ignore the hypocrisy/change in logic from rider to rider.
You know why your logic is flawed? Because Musquin crosses over in the air and Tomac moved over on the ground. Also, other riders have complained about Musquin crossing over. No rider has accused Eli of that. In fact, he's one of the most respected riders for how cleanly he races.
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You've got to be fucking kidding me with these threads.
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bvm111 2/23/2020 8:33am
2/23/2020 8:33am
Watch the press conference... Kenny specifically stated that he shook his hand after the race to congratulate him and that they always race clean with each other, so not sure what all the griping is here.
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feelit2morrow 2/23/2020 8:34am
2/23/2020 8:34am
Lol you dip shits never cease to amaze me.

Riders involved: good clean racing

Vital: so dirty, cross jump, dangerous, rabble rabble rabble...



You guys would argue that the sky wasn't blue if you thought it would make your favorite rider win the race.
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davis224 2/23/2020 8:37am
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soggy wrote:
I dont think you understand the difference between cross jumping, and taking someones line away that you are in front of.
davis224 wrote:
I never said Eli cross jumped. Moving over that hard, whether it was the racing line or not, that close to someone looked sketchy to me...
I never said Eli cross jumped. Moving over that hard, whether it was the racing line or not, that close to someone looked sketchy to me. Obviously Ken and Jason knew enough to check up. But Musquin moves over with a several bike length lead and gets torn apart for "cross jumping", and Tomac does the same thing less than a foot away from them and it's fine. I'm a fan of both riders, but it's hard to ignore the hypocrisy/change in logic from rider to rider.
NateDawg wrote:
You know why your logic is flawed? Because Musquin crosses over in the air and Tomac moved over on the ground. Also, other riders have complained...
You know why your logic is flawed? Because Musquin crosses over in the air and Tomac moved over on the ground. Also, other riders have complained about Musquin crossing over. No rider has accused Eli of that. In fact, he's one of the most respected riders for how cleanly he races.
Have an example? The only ones I can remember were pretty similar to what Tomac did, just with more space between riders.

I know, Tomac is usually very clean unless provoked, which is why those moves surprised me a bit. I don't see them becoming a habit, it was borderline out of character for Eli. Either way, I'd be happy to see either him or Roczen pull the championship off, which is what looks like it will come down to.
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byke 2/23/2020 8:48am
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I don't like the idea of putting another rider in a possible Canard/Morais position just to stamp a pass that's already been made by a faster rider.
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MOTO1313 2/23/2020 8:55am
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Everybody watching the race knew Tomac was going to pass Roczen. Roczen knew Tomac was coming. This was no sneak attack. Tomac was clearly faster and there was zero Roczen was going to do about it. The next right hander Tomac was doing needed to be set up by riding the triples on the left. This was not dirty in any way.
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gregyou 2/23/2020 8:55am
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Creiz wrote:
WTF is Tomac thinking? Lost A LOT of respect for him after seeing this...Not cool under any circumstances to obviously trying to hurt other riders
Put the crack pipe down .
Oh and I’m pretty sure he couldn’t care less about your respect for him. Who are you?
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KurtJ99 2/23/2020 8:57am
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Swerving in front of a competitors line in front of a triple is sketchy. If Marvin had done that to Eli we’d have signature “cross jumping Marv” pitchforks out. Yes, Eli was setting up for the next corner but he knew that he was as intentionally cutting Kenny off. Kenny had the racecraft to see it and check up. Had it been a less aware rider besides Kenny it may have been a problem.
While Kenny may not have had a problem with the move publicly, I bet he didn’t think it was OK.
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jorgechavez 2/23/2020 8:59am
2/23/2020 8:59am Edited Date/Time 2/23/2020 9:35am
jemcee wrote:
I wasn't really cool with either one but it seems people don't care cause it's Tomac

Well that’s just not true seeing as there is a thread about it and quite a few are expressing their displeasure with it.

Edit: In fact I’d say the reaction wouldn’t be half as bad if he didn’t do it to Kenny.
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toroP 2/23/2020 9:02am
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BobPA wrote:
If it were Moosecan he would have been pitch forked and lit on fire by now.
It certainly depends who makes the move.
Humans have issues. Irate or look the other way? It depends.
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MXMattii 2/23/2020 9:04am
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jemcee wrote:
I wasn't really cool with either one but it seems people don't care cause it's Tomac

Indeed, I've mentioned this questioning action in a other thread, because if their is a light contact you've seriously desastreus crashes.
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Black Diesel Bomber 2/23/2020 9:05am
2/23/2020 9:05am
It sounds like a lot of people don’t know the difference between cross jumping and taking the line away before the jump
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steve_97060 2/23/2020 9:08am
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
It sounds like a lot of people don’t know the difference between cross jumping and taking the line away before the jump
this..
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Excaliburbmx wrote:
Hopefully they can cut down all the obstacles and ride single file so all you whiners will like it better. Tomac is by far the cleanest...
Hopefully they can cut down all the obstacles and ride single file so all you whiners will like it better.
Tomac is by far the cleanest racer out there heck the 250 class just keeps taking turn cleaning each other out and that’s just racing.
😂
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GoggleFiend904 2/23/2020 9:29am
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texasmoto423 wrote:
Yet everyone thinks it’s awesome when Barcia throws a massive whip over someone’s front wheel or cleans someone out on press day. There is no standard...
Yet everyone thinks it’s awesome when Barcia throws a massive whip over someone’s front wheel or cleans someone out on press day. There is no standard at this place.
motokawi818 wrote:
Just a bunch of Eli homers. Go through their post history and see they all hate ferrandis. Which is stupid because while it looked crazier, his...
Just a bunch of Eli homers. Go through their post history and see they all hate ferrandis. Which is stupid because while it looked crazier, his move was a corner take out which is generally much safer. This was going for the front wheel on the face of a triple. Not cool at all.
You actually go through others post history?
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lawson34 2/23/2020 9:41am
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KurtJ99 wrote:
Swerving in front of a competitors line in front of a triple is sketchy. If Marvin had done that to Eli we’d have signature “cross jumping...
Swerving in front of a competitors line in front of a triple is sketchy. If Marvin had done that to Eli we’d have signature “cross jumping Marv” pitchforks out. Yes, Eli was setting up for the next corner but he knew that he was as intentionally cutting Kenny off. Kenny had the racecraft to see it and check up. Had it been a less aware rider besides Kenny it may have been a problem.
While Kenny may not have had a problem with the move publicly, I bet he didn’t think it was OK.
Tomac got there first that was his line

Fuck it it's a lost cause, carry on people
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soggy 2/23/2020 9:44am
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texasmoto423 wrote:
Yet everyone thinks it’s awesome when Barcia throws a massive whip over someone’s front wheel or cleans someone out on press day. There is no standard...
Yet everyone thinks it’s awesome when Barcia throws a massive whip over someone’s front wheel or cleans someone out on press day. There is no standard at this place.
motokawi818 wrote:
Just a bunch of Eli homers. Go through their post history and see they all hate ferrandis. Which is stupid because while it looked crazier, his...
Just a bunch of Eli homers. Go through their post history and see they all hate ferrandis. Which is stupid because while it looked crazier, his move was a corner take out which is generally much safer. This was going for the front wheel on the face of a triple. Not cool at all.
GoggleFiend904 wrote:
You actually go through others post history?
like a scorned ex.
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gasser303 2/23/2020 9:48am
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A lot of guys on here need to grow some nuts or move on to an easier sport....
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gregyou 2/23/2020 10:17am
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soggy wrote:
he was already in front of roczen, who saw it coming. bunch of snowflakes. If Kenny's not upset you shouldnt be.
jjavaman wrote:
Sorta like when Eli t boned MM and MM was booed? Nah, it’s ET , he can do no wrong....
When has et ever t bones Mm ?
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MOTO1313 2/23/2020 10:24am
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Ok...well, other riders have the option of pulling off the track to let Tomac by. Because when Tomac is charging, you just better get the hell out of the way. He's gonna pass you no matter what.
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Momus 2/23/2020 10:28am
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KurtJ99 wrote:
Swerving in front of a competitors line in front of a triple is sketchy. If Marvin had done that to Eli we’d have signature “cross jumping...
Swerving in front of a competitors line in front of a triple is sketchy. If Marvin had done that to Eli we’d have signature “cross jumping Marv” pitchforks out. Yes, Eli was setting up for the next corner but he knew that he was as intentionally cutting Kenny off. Kenny had the racecraft to see it and check up. Had it been a less aware rider besides Kenny it may have been a problem.
While Kenny may not have had a problem with the move publicly, I bet he didn’t think it was OK.
Tomac was safe with the move: he knew that Roczen would double easily.

Shit, they shook hands on track after the race; Kenny pulled up to do it.
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Downunder 2/23/2020 10:28am
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KurtJ99 wrote:
Swerving in front of a competitors line in front of a triple is sketchy. If Marvin had done that to Eli we’d have signature “cross jumping...
Swerving in front of a competitors line in front of a triple is sketchy. If Marvin had done that to Eli we’d have signature “cross jumping Marv” pitchforks out. Yes, Eli was setting up for the next corner but he knew that he was as intentionally cutting Kenny off. Kenny had the racecraft to see it and check up. Had it been a less aware rider besides Kenny it may have been a problem.
While Kenny may not have had a problem with the move publicly, I bet he didn’t think it was OK.
Kenny is one rider who is not afraid to speak his mind publicly and has done so many times in the past. If he wasn't OK with the move I have no doubt he would have voiced his opinion.
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Harv379 2/23/2020 10:41am
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He's also scrubbing the jump very hard. Which causes him to carve off the lip as if his direction is headed off track, which puts him more in front of the rider behind him. He wasn't that far over at the base of the jump. He may not even had known it was that close until he watches the playback. It wasn't moving over mid air, it was taking the line away before the jump. It's no different than when there is a triple right out of a corner and someone goes completely inside, missing the whole corner taking the line away from the rider in front of them, causing them to both miss the triple. The rider in front sees it coming.
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Ozy 2/23/2020 10:54am
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disbanded wrote:
You've got to be fucking kidding me with these threads.
Disbanded, this is exactly what I thought, Eli is one of the cleanest rider
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