John Tomac and DC

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Speak up MXB2- I can't hear you with your head so far up Eli's butt!

mxb2 wrote:

Naw, you just hate facts. Are you mad at webb? D wilson, kroc. Marv, ferrandis. You sound like a spoiled 10 year old that didnt get...

Naw, you just hate facts. Are you mad at webb? D wilson, kroc. Marv, ferrandis. You sound like a spoiled 10 year old that didnt get what they wanted at christmas. Stomp my feet. Boohoo. Get over it. I want the best guys to go that want to go. Simple Are you even going to assen? Are you from usa ,are you paying their their bills? If the answer to all is no. Why do you give a shit

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Yes I’m equally mad at Webb & KRoc. What makes you think I’m not? Although at least they have the minerals to admit it’s their choice...

Yes I’m equally mad at Webb & KRoc. What makes you think I’m not? Although at least they have the minerals to admit it’s their choice, not blame their employer.

Wilson, Marv & Ferrandis are irrelevant- their teams have better riders to choose from. If they didn’t, yes I’d be equally mad at them too.

tttrailhunter wrote:

if you could have 1 trophy, (note trophy, not $) would you pick a mxdn or a mec? that should, tell you something. in 20 years...

if you could have 1 trophy, (note trophy, not $)
would you pick a mxdn or a mec?

that should, tell you something.

in 20 years, there will most likely still be a mxdn, who thinks there will be a mec?

inthebadboycorner wrote:

What fucking ever, I am just bewildered how in the early days riders used to race sx then there were some outdoors, back to SX, jump...

What fucking ever,
I am just bewildered how in the early days riders used to race sx then there were some outdoors, back to SX, jump up to 500,s, throw in the mx des nations, and what was it Trans Am series.
Spose that when men were men and not whinny little boys.

zehn wrote:

The entitlement is real

Excaliburbmx wrote:

Those guys didn’t train like they do now. Not even close.

ando wrote:

If individual riders choose not to ride MXoN for personal reasons or training/prep whatever that’s OK. Just don’t start dribbling about how it’s too hard. That’s...

If individual riders choose not to ride MXoN for personal reasons or training/prep whatever that’s OK.

Just don’t start dribbling about how it’s too hard. That’s an arrogant slap in the face to the dozens of countries that send riders who don’t get paid, have to pay their own way or raise funds, arrange borrowed bikes etc. Lots of teams have further to travel with far less resources to compete.

If they truly hold the attitude that it’s too hard, there could be no greater act of humility than a rider going and buying his own bikes, pay for them to be set up and shipped, travel to the MXoN and essential ride as a privateer.

theprizefighter wrote:

No one ever said it was easy. A person who you would all see as an icon in the sport said that he went and sacrificed...

No one ever said it was easy. A person who you would all see as an icon in the sport said that he went and sacrificed his time, risked getting hurt, and got paid nothing, but still went because it was an honor to do so. The logistics have always been there but were never used as reasons for not going until a little after 2011, so I'm sure you'll understand why the rest of the world sees it as nothing but excuses.

500guy wrote:

I see it for what it is, You and Luongo expect the USA based riders to entertain you for free and use the bullshit excuse that...

I see it for what it is, You and Luongo expect the USA based riders to entertain you for free and use the bullshit excuse that if USA based riders and teams don't want to do it, they are somehow cowards.

The people who want to be there will be there, the others won't , So get the fuck over it.

theprizefighter wrote:

None of the riders get paid, and that has never been what the race has been about for the racers. Move the MEC to a venue...

None of the riders get paid, and that has never been what the race has been about for the racers. Move the MEC to a venue in Europe and I'll bet money, travel, schedules, prep time, etc. would no longer be an issue...that is until the GP guys started winning.

pdub187 wrote:

Remember when it was supercross that made American riders so much better at motocross.

BMSOBx2 wrote:

Ah.... no. I remember when we got our asses kicked regularly by the Euros because they were better. I remember when it was a big deal...

Ah.... no. I remember when we got our asses kicked regularly by the Euros because they were better. I remember when it was a big deal when Jim Pomeroy won a GP on a Bultaco. I remember when Pierre karsmakers won all our races and Gerrit Wolsink won Carlsbad every year. I remember when the Euros came over for the Trans Am every year and cleaned our clocks. I remember how cool it was when Marty moates finally won Carlsbad and I remember how cool it was when we finally started to beat them. I remember when Magoo won all four races and shocked the world. None of that had anything to do with our prowess in Supercross. There was a reason why the mxdn was such a big deal because after getting our asses kicked for so long it was our chance to show them that we had learned how to win at Motocross not Supercross. We had something to prove. These days not so much and that explains a lot.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

I love the myth that no one trained hard before Ricky.

theprizefighter wrote:

Johnny O' ran marathons. David Bailey was hard core as well. And they rode the mxon when asked. Big time winners in my book.

KurtJ99 wrote:

Nobody trained as hard as Johnny O before or since. Or into retirement as a mountain bike racer. Yes, generally everyone trains harder now with personal...

Nobody trained as hard as Johnny O before or since. Or into retirement as a mountain bike racer.
Yes, generally everyone trains harder now with personal trainers, Aldon or whatever. Sponsors expect it.

pdub187 wrote:

Remember when it was supercross that made American riders so much better at motocross.

BMSOBx2 wrote:

Ah.... no. I remember when we got our asses kicked regularly by the Euros because they were better. I remember when it was a big deal...

Ah.... no. I remember when we got our asses kicked regularly by the Euros because they were better. I remember when it was a big deal when Jim Pomeroy won a GP on a Bultaco. I remember when Pierre karsmakers won all our races and Gerrit Wolsink won Carlsbad every year. I remember when the Euros came over for the Trans Am every year and cleaned our clocks. I remember how cool it was when Marty moates finally won Carlsbad and I remember how cool it was when we finally started to beat them. I remember when Magoo won all four races and shocked the world. None of that had anything to do with our prowess in Supercross. There was a reason why the mxdn was such a big deal because after getting our asses kicked for so long it was our chance to show them that we had learned how to win at Motocross not Supercross. We had something to prove. These days not so much and that explains a lot.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

I will add once the Americans started winning Trans AMA races Euro participation started to wane.

hamncheeze wrote:

I don't get why everyone gets so bent out of shape over MXoN. Yes, it's a patriotic event. Yes any rider should feel motivated enough by...

I don't get why everyone gets so bent out of shape over MXoN. Yes, it's a patriotic event. Yes any rider should feel motivated enough by that alone to attend. Yes, the sport has evolved and the priorities have shifted, as has the money flow. Yes, some riders will want to attend and yet pass because of other obligations. Yes, if an American team does not win people will shit all over them. We all know all of this and more, it does not need to be debated over and over.

Why not just be happy the USA is sending a good team with motivated riders who are going over early to prepare, and are working behind the scenes to ensure a more "team" component for the MXoN weekend? There are some very positive things happening here on the Team USA front, but everyone just wants to focus on who's not going.

I should just steer clear of any MXoN thread....I'm Canadian and our POS governing body has rooned everything to the point to where we can't even send a team, and said POS governing body can only issue press releases blaming everyone but themselves. Go away Bastedos.

decano51 wrote:

So much hate. But MXON is a waste now.. In what way does MXON benefit any team or rider who is wanting to win the SX...

So much hate.
But MXON is a waste now.. In what way does MXON benefit any team or rider who is wanting to win the SX championship?
As well as, what is gained from it?

GforceCoatings wrote:

Pride, dignity, legacy and respect mean far more and last far longer than a riders bank account to fans. I never cared about Anderson, Osborne or...

Pride, dignity, legacy and respect mean far more and last far longer than a riders bank account to fans. I never cared about Anderson, Osborne or Cooper before but they are now my favorite riders and I will support the companies that support them out of principle for the upcoming sx & mx series. To many this has been the greatest race of the year for 50+ years. If it is a waste to you move on. Don't watch. Don't comment. It's really that simple.

GuyB wrote:

It's weird to me how some of you flip who your favorite riders from week to week based on all sorts of stuff.

GuyB wrote:

It's weird to me how some of you flip who your favorite riders from week to week based on all sorts of stuff.

500guy wrote:

yea well I don't like Forkner because his GF is to hot and I really don't like AC because he drives a Toyota with the dealers...

yea well I don't like Forkner because his GF is to hot and I really don't like AC because he drives a Toyota with the dealers sticker on it.

Subject to change

500guy wrote:

yea well I don't like Forkner because his GF is to hot and I really don't like AC because he drives a Toyota with the dealers...

yea well I don't like Forkner because his GF is to hot and I really don't like AC because he drives a Toyota with the dealers sticker on it.

Subject to change

Excaliburbmx wrote:

Those guys didn’t train like they do now. Not even close.

GuyB wrote:

It's weird to me how some of you flip who your favorite riders from week to week based on all sorts of stuff.

TXDirt wrote:

I know not one person in my small circle who genuinely gives a crap about the MEC. This race was conceived in a marketing meeting. That’s...

I know not one person in my small circle who genuinely gives a crap about the MEC. This race was conceived in a marketing meeting. That’s it. The fact it has money behind it is literally the only reason the riders race it. And yes fans watch because it’s on. But to think fans hold the MEC in any regard is foolish. It’s a gimmicky race that’s held when there are no other races. So sure I’ll flip it on. But it’s meaningless otherwise.

It’s not good for US motocross to go to the MXDN and continually get spanked. Not good for the teams, the big riders, the AMA Pro Racing, MX Sports or for Monster Energy Athletes in general.

RedBud absolutely has solidified that US motocross is not up to par with the rest of the world. So why from a marketing perspective would you make you own product look like garbage.

Fact: US riders are behind when in comes to the big leagues of motocross.

There is no need to continue to prove that point. The top dogs reside in Europe. And that cannot be disputed. You can dispute the whys all day long. But the best outdoor riders are in Europe.

I give big props to the US riders going. And the teams supporting them.

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Speak up MXB2- I can't hear you with your head so far up Eli's butt!

mxb2 wrote:

Naw, you just hate facts. Are you mad at webb? D wilson, kroc. Marv, ferrandis. You sound like a spoiled 10 year old that didnt get...

Naw, you just hate facts. Are you mad at webb? D wilson, kroc. Marv, ferrandis. You sound like a spoiled 10 year old that didnt get what they wanted at christmas. Stomp my feet. Boohoo. Get over it. I want the best guys to go that want to go. Simple Are you even going to assen? Are you from usa ,are you paying their their bills? If the answer to all is no. Why do you give a shit

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Yes I’m equally mad at Webb & KRoc. What makes you think I’m not? Although at least they have the minerals to admit it’s their choice...

Yes I’m equally mad at Webb & KRoc. What makes you think I’m not? Although at least they have the minerals to admit it’s their choice, not blame their employer.

Wilson, Marv & Ferrandis are irrelevant- their teams have better riders to choose from. If they didn’t, yes I’d be equally mad at them too.

TXDirt wrote:

I know not one person in my small circle who genuinely gives a crap about the MEC. This race was conceived in a marketing meeting. That’s...

I know not one person in my small circle who genuinely gives a crap about the MEC. This race was conceived in a marketing meeting. That’s it. The fact it has money behind it is literally the only reason the riders race it. And yes fans watch because it’s on. But to think fans hold the MEC in any regard is foolish. It’s a gimmicky race that’s held when there are no other races. So sure I’ll flip it on. But it’s meaningless otherwise.

It’s not good for US motocross to go to the MXDN and continually get spanked. Not good for the teams, the big riders, the AMA Pro Racing, MX Sports or for Monster Energy Athletes in general.

RedBud absolutely has solidified that US motocross is not up to par with the rest of the world. So why from a marketing perspective would you make you own product look like garbage.

Fact: US riders are behind when in comes to the big leagues of motocross.

There is no need to continue to prove that point. The top dogs reside in Europe. And that cannot be disputed. You can dispute the whys all day long. But the best outdoor riders are in Europe.

I give big props to the US riders going. And the teams supporting them.

DC wrote:

And that's the thing, prizefighter: The Europeans will get clobbered if they come to the MEC or Anaheim because they barely ever ride supercross, but if...

And that's the thing, prizefighter: The Europeans will get clobbered if they come to the MEC or Anaheim because they barely ever ride supercross, but if they rode SX for 2/3 of a year, there would be more enthusiasm for that type of racing, right?

DC
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