Practice day - close call and crash (video)

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Jbulz 3/27/2019 7:38am
3/27/2019 7:38am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2019 7:39am
BMc914 wrote:
The guy you speak of was the fastest mini bike rider in Colorado at one point. And it's really fast now. The berm blew out and...
The guy you speak of was the fastest mini bike rider in Colorado at one point. And it's really fast now.

The berm blew out and popped him towards the finish line tower. You can see the dirt fly up. He had probably hit that same line at that speed multiple times with no problem.

Imo looked like you guys were going to slow for the motocross track. Maybe you and your friend should of been riding the quad and kids track that is behind the starting gate.
5280mx wrote:
Maybe you should read the post...I have said I was warming up and staying inside, well aware of everyone around me. Sorry we don't go balls...
Maybe you should read the post...I have said I was warming up and staying inside, well aware of everyone around me.
Sorry we don't go balls out first lap on the track in 2 months..
If there was someone faster coming up behind me I would have moved off the track. had nowhere to go.
Cant anticipate someone cutting that much time off that corner.
APLMAN99 wrote:
And there’s a fundamental disconnect. After 20 years, it should have been driven home that if someone faster is coming up behind you, you don’t “move...
And there’s a fundamental disconnect. After 20 years, it should have been driven home that if someone faster is coming up behind you, you don’t “move off the track”. You hold a steady line. Perhaps this rider had come up on you in the past and was worried that you would move off the track/take a weird or unpredictable line? Doing that can be far more dangerous than what you seem to think was a life threatening move.

While you’re MFing this guy, just think that there are probably a lot of guys who’ve done that same MFing about some dude altering his predictable line when they come up to him at speed.....
A lot of assholery going on in this thread, so I don't want this to get missed since it is actually solid advice for slower riders and could prevent some future crashes.

DON'T move out of the way of faster riders. Hold your line, be predictable. If you're not jumping something and want to go around it, make sure you are at the edge of the track wayyyy earlier than you think you need to be. If you're going slow it may seem like a smooth line, but when someone flys up on you 2 gears higher, youre actually cutting over way harder than you think. If you're rolling something, throw a hand up before hand to warn riders behind you.

Also, to the OP - that guy honestly didn't seem like he did anything too wrong. That line was obviously being taken by many people. He crossed you because he's going 20 mph faster than you and judged that you weren't going to clear it. He was fast and in control until the berm looked like it blew out in sent him into the wall.

If anything, you're the dick making fun of the guy who is mangled, KOd laying on his glowing header because he passed your slow ass.
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Mr. Knobby 3/27/2019 7:48am
3/27/2019 7:48am
You can't have it every way you want it:

There's a bunch of people on here saying the kid is super good racer, one of the best in the state, blah blah...and yet he's too stupid to know what speed he should be hitting that corner?

There is no evidence that he had hit that corner already many times at speed, for all we know that was his 'warm up' lap. It almost looks like he didn't even know which way the track went.

Part of being a good rider and a good participant in our sport is knowing the track and the surroundings. Anyone with half a brain would know not to try and go through that corner as fast as he tried. It would be like a hero going way over his head at Washougal, hitting a tree and a bunch of you saying, "they are stupid for having the trees there."

We all hate to see fellow riders get hurt, no question about it,but this guy is 100% responsible for what happened to him, no matter how many of his friends try to spin it another way. Hopefully once he heals up, he'll stop riding so far over his head. Superfast heros who go out and race like they are going for a championship during an open practice are one of the biggest dangers to our sport. With all their skill and control over the bike, the responsibility is on them to ensure the safety of the less skilled riders who are on the track at the same time. It isn't the last lap of a national. We've got threads about tracks closing and the sport dying, blaming the track for incidents like this are one of the reasons.
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mattyhamz2 3/27/2019 7:53am
3/27/2019 7:53am
slideways wrote:
But 5280 isn’t the one who crashed into a building out of control. Are you sure your logic is correct?
BMc914 wrote:
He wasn't OC. watch the video. The berm or lack there of blew out and popped him into the building. You think its OC cause you...
He wasn't OC. watch the video. The berm or lack there of blew out and popped him into the building.

You think its OC cause you can't imagine yourself going that fast.
dirtmike86 wrote:
You are the problem with this sport. Instead of trying to help people who may not be as fast as you think you are you just...
You are the problem with this sport. Instead of trying to help people who may not be as fast as you think you are you just tell them they suck. How about I say you are a fucking douche bag. These tracks don't stay open because the guy you blow who crashed his brains out into a shed showed up, they stay open because people like OP work every day and pay money to come ride every week and have fun. Oh fastest mini rider!? My bad let me get on my knees and bow to you ole mighty mini rider. Fucking prick.
100% took the words out of my mouth. Reading BMc914's post all I could think about was a recent thread and why more people don't get into the sport. It's because of ass hats like BMc. The OP and his buddy paid the entry fee and have just as much right to be on the track as much as the kid that crashed.

Being cautious and courteous as a faster rider goes a long way. It's F&#^ING PRACTICE! Slow down a bit and go around the slower riders, then get back on it. Again, it's PRACTICE! A few seconds slower for a lap isn't a big deal, I promise. I'm faster than some guys, slower than others, but if the track isn't splitting practices up then the faster guys need to be more aware and courteous to the slower riders. I promise it won't kill you.

Being dicks to guys because they are slower doesn't do anything good for the sport and pushes more people out. Same goes for guy's being dicks about faster guys doing certain things. Stop being dicks and just enjoy riding and that you share the same love as the local pro and local beginner, you douche bags! Want to know why our sport will eventually die off? Douche bags, pro's and beginners alike, talking shit to other people. Keep pushing people out guys. Less people going to tracks=less money=tracks closing. I seriously can't stand some of you people out at the tracks.

You know what I do when I see slower guys out at the track that could use some help? I try to strike up a convo and help them in any way possible, whether that be bike setup, letting them follow me off of jumps, showing them lines, whatever. Make friends and stop being dicks! Everyone that paid has the same right to be out there. Just because you're faster doesn't mean that you are a better person than that dude rolling the jumps in jeans, work boots and a plain white t-shirt.

Again, track needs to do something about that corner and keep that inside from being used before something bad happens. It's stupid and I don't understand why they didn't do something about that immediately. Rider safety should be first thing on the list...

Rant over.
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Tbteam 3/27/2019 8:06am
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I love the comments form vitards defending the guy who crashed. Idiot rides outside the track boundaries (they weren't "marked"? Tough shit! He knew where the track was. After all, he's a "fast guy"), cross jumps a slower rider nearly causing a pretty nasty situation, and then goons himself into a building that has never been in the path of a rider in the history of the track.

But the OP is in the wrong, because he's rightly pissed off because he could have been hammered by this guy.

Ride not only within your limits, but also within the limits of your surroundings, which include other "inferior" riders.
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Derek Anderson wrote:
Not taking any sides here, but it would be a huge amount of respect to the rider and the riders family if the title and video...
Not taking any sides here, but it would be a huge amount of respect to the rider and the riders family if the title and video were renamed/edited just as "gnarly crash" or "guy slams into building" or something. He is a good kid, good friend of mine, excellent rider and would never put others or himself in harms way. Would be really cool if 5280mx would be willing to edit the comments out of the video and just let the video roll with no editing.
DoctorJD wrote:
Is he okay?
Derek Anderson wrote:
I went and checked him out at the hospital the day it happened. Poor guy is pretty banged up and is going to need a couple...
I went and checked him out at the hospital the day it happened. Poor guy is pretty banged up and is going to need a couple surgeries but he is expected to make a full recovery. The fact of knowing you cant ride for the first part of summer is probably what is hurting him the most!
I am glad to hear he is OK. Out of respect to him I have removed the comments and edited the title. It was frightening to see and shook me up for a bit. I didn't intend to turn thus into a debate, but it is vital. Lessons learned on both sides: Hope 710 makes a full recovery. Peace
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JeepnMike 3/27/2019 8:21am
3/27/2019 8:21am
Having just watched the video of the crash, this is the first thing that came to mind:


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jeffro503 3/27/2019 8:43am
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BAMX wrote:
Maybe he was just fatigued and missed the line. He looked really tired at the end of the video.
Maybe he was just fatigued and missed the line. He looked really tired at the end of the video.
Haha , I'm in no way making light of the situation here , and hope the dude is ok. But this made me laugh my ass off haha. Laughing
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MotoMo165 3/27/2019 8:47am
3/27/2019 8:47am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2019 8:58am
I see you edited video title, and comments. That’s good. Post edited.
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5280mx 3/27/2019 9:18am
3/27/2019 9:18am
Serious question?
You go to a track you haven't ridden in 2 months due to weather and work. Do you go balls out 1st lap sending it and railing every corner full speed? Or do you roll around on the slow line to familiarize yourself with any new sections or bad spots on the track? I always do the latter...yes I am at an old ladies snail pace in the video, just loosening up and warming up the bike. I didn't post the video to get comments about how fast I am, cuz Im not. That said, I am a mid pack B rider, so I know my way around a track and how to be safe, even during slow laps. If you see my other video from Thunder Valley, I think it shows I am not a total goon. I could have easily got on the gas and cleared that table, but it wasn't worth the risk to me with someone coming up my inside.
I have never caused a problem, and never had an incident. Anytime I am on a track, my head is on a swivel and I always try to be aware of who is around, coming up behind, etc..Once I am up to speed, I just focus on my lines and try to be predictable for anyone faster coming up on me. I learned to ride moto under very experienced racers who taught me a lot of hard lessons about track manners and what is right and wrong. Holding the slow line on a sighting lap has never been an issue, it is common practice.
I am usually working my way around the C riders, noobs and kids on my sighting lap, so I am in the same boat, just on a different level. I will never have the speed #710 does, and that is fine with me. I am just an old 40's B rider that races for fun.
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BobPA 3/27/2019 9:28am
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Tbteam wrote:
I love the comments form vitards defending the guy who crashed. Idiot rides outside the track boundaries (they weren't "marked"? Tough shit! He knew where the...
I love the comments form vitards defending the guy who crashed. Idiot rides outside the track boundaries (they weren't "marked"? Tough shit! He knew where the track was. After all, he's a "fast guy"), cross jumps a slower rider nearly causing a pretty nasty situation, and then goons himself into a building that has never been in the path of a rider in the history of the track.

But the OP is in the wrong, because he's rightly pissed off because he could have been hammered by this guy.

Ride not only within your limits, but also within the limits of your surroundings, which include other "inferior" riders.
I agree with some of what you said. But, he did NOT cross jump anyone. OP did not even jump the obstacle. How can you cross jump someone when they roll the jump? He jumped no where near the OP's friends either, there was a metric football field in between the two riders.
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5280mx 3/27/2019 9:29am
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MotoMo165 wrote:
I see you edited video title, and comments. That’s good. Post edited.
I see you edited video title, and comments. That’s good. Post edited.
Yes, I am human. I probably overreacted to the situation, but it really shook me up. Out of respect to the rider and his family, and DA's request, I edited the post and comments. I am trying my hardest to see things from both perspectives. It would be like a guy blowing through a red light, barely missing you, and plowing into a telephone pole. My first reaction is, "that guy almost killed me" anger, shock...My next reaction is"oh wow, that was a really bad wreck..I really hope he is alive" My first reaction when I walked up on him was that he was gone, no movement at all. It freaked me out bad. I was so relieved when I saw him alert and moving. I should have waited a few days before posting, as emotions were still running high when I did so. Lesson learned.
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Mx746 3/27/2019 9:46am
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Perhaps the video is a bit misleading but that structure sure looks positioned on the exit of a 4th gear sweeper.
Derek Anderson 3/27/2019 10:10am
3/27/2019 10:10am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2019 10:11am
DoctorJD wrote:
Is he okay?
Derek Anderson wrote:
I went and checked him out at the hospital the day it happened. Poor guy is pretty banged up and is going to need a couple...
I went and checked him out at the hospital the day it happened. Poor guy is pretty banged up and is going to need a couple surgeries but he is expected to make a full recovery. The fact of knowing you cant ride for the first part of summer is probably what is hurting him the most!
5280mx wrote:
I am glad to hear he is OK. Out of respect to him I have removed the comments and edited the title. It was frightening to...
I am glad to hear he is OK. Out of respect to him I have removed the comments and edited the title. It was frightening to see and shook me up for a bit. I didn't intend to turn thus into a debate, but it is vital. Lessons learned on both sides: Hope 710 makes a full recovery. Peace
Right on, really appreciate it my man. I know how it goes with situations like that. Either way, means a lot to the loved ones. We'll catch you at the track this summer!
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Motodave15 3/27/2019 10:24am
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idk, this is comedy. you dont go speeding around like that during open practice and especially next to two people who are cruising. The OP has every right to be pissed

So i find this video hilarious and play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The guy is ok, most likely got knocked out for a few seconds. Maybe he learned his lesson
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NITRODOG 3/27/2019 11:47am
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chump6784 wrote:
And people wonder why tracks get sued. Who in their right mind puts a building that close to the track right near a corner.
kaptkaos wrote:
First thing that went through my mind before the guy even crashed. Thats one of the best examples of a dumbass track design that puts people...
First thing that went through my mind before the guy even crashed. Thats one of the best examples of a dumbass track design that puts people in wheelchairs. I wouldnt ride there and i wouldnt insure the place either.
agree 100%
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zehn 3/27/2019 11:50am
3/27/2019 11:50am
Pretty obvious that line had been used a lot that day, you can even see where it intersects with the “main” part of the track.

Not saying what he did was alright, but there is clear evidence that line was being used
mattyhamz2 3/27/2019 12:07pm
3/27/2019 12:07pm
zehn wrote:
Pretty obvious that line had been used a lot that day, you can even see where it intersects with the “main” part of the track. Not...
Pretty obvious that line had been used a lot that day, you can even see where it intersects with the “main” part of the track.

Not saying what he did was alright, but there is clear evidence that line was being used
And the track staff should have addressed it immediately.
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Sweetd31 3/27/2019 12:09pm
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BMc914 wrote:
Never said he sucked. I said he should be aware of what's happening at track. A rider at his caliber has paid his fair share of...
Never said he sucked. I said he should be aware of what's happening at track.

A rider at his caliber has paid his fair share of track fees. So he has done his part at keeping tracks open. 5280 said he hasn't rode in 2 months. Im pretty sure IMI will remain open with out him and his buddies 20 bucks. And to say he dont have a job where did that come from.

You need to do one of the three go ride your bike rub one out or get some pussy
I mean I was a total squid, D-class dominator and used to ride with insanely fast riders on the daily. I was just out there riding, they would check up for me, pass safely, then get back on it. They never had anything to prove to me, so didn’t feel the need to buzz the tower in efforts to show how much their nutz (or labias) hung.
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I've hit a truck, but never a building...
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zehn 3/27/2019 12:09pm
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zehn wrote:
Pretty obvious that line had been used a lot that day, you can even see where it intersects with the “main” part of the track. Not...
Pretty obvious that line had been used a lot that day, you can even see where it intersects with the “main” part of the track.

Not saying what he did was alright, but there is clear evidence that line was being used
mattyhamz2 wrote:
And the track staff should have addressed it immediately.
No argument from me here
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Sweetd31 3/27/2019 12:14pm
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I've hit a truck, but never a building...
Brandon, is that you?
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tek14 3/27/2019 12:37pm
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Didnt look that close in video. Not sure if he was high or what but there was zero chance he would have made that corner where he did crash.
That "cheater" line should have been build there to be inside line of corner and other for outside to make room faster people passing slower ones.
lostboy819 3/27/2019 12:43pm
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I've hit a truck, but never a building...
I got my bike stuck in a tree. Blush
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ATHEIST 3/27/2019 12:51pm
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slideways wrote:
That berm is primo! That’s the JLaw line.
kudos!!!!!! slideways that's a day maker right there!!!
smoothies862 3/27/2019 12:52pm
3/27/2019 12:52pm
Lucky he could roll before hitting. Never understood winning practice either. Safely go around then continue.?
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lcgordon711 3/27/2019 1:40pm
3/27/2019 1:40pm Edited Date/Time 3/27/2019 1:50pm
I ride that track a lot. That crash looks brutal. I do see how that crash could happen but when riding have never thought of that shack coming into play.
Gotta be careful at open ride days you have no clue what faster or slower guys are going to do.
Hope the guy is ok.
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Flip109 3/27/2019 2:14pm
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When I was young and pretty quick I would cut the track on practice to get around slow guys so I feel his pain. However him making that mistake after the fact really sucks!! Hope he is okay. Tough break. Least he will have a cool video to show all the girls of how it happened. Maybe he will get some sympathy puss Laughing
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TriRacer27 3/27/2019 2:21pm
3/27/2019 2:21pm
Wait, was the guy on the Yamaha wearing old Stiffie baggies?? You got one guy wearing baggies and another guy looking like he's banging his bike. What a clip!

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