Pull last place guy in mains?

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Jbulz 3/20/2019 11:59am
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I read this and my snap reaction was it was a bad idea... But man, I'm imagining how good the battle for last would be. I'd vote to try it at a one-off event first (Monster Cup, Bercy, or something) and see how it plays. I'm all for change.
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Forty 3/20/2019 12:10pm
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I’m in the same group that says everyone earned their main event they should get to complete it.
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mx317 3/20/2019 12:17pm
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You pull the guy and the next lap the 3rd place rider falls and takes down 4th and 5th place guys. Now the one that was pulled off loses what could have been a 14th or 15th place finish. Keep it like it is because lappers are part of racing.

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Sweetd31 3/20/2019 12:43pm
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To the OP, my mother of all people has advocated this since the 2000s

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BobKerr 3/20/2019 12:46pm
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No, don't pull them from the race. Maybe fine them if they are blatantly obviously holding up the race leaders.
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GuyB 3/20/2019 2:01pm
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I'd considered this a while back. I think that guys should be allowed to run their race, hone their craft, and learn what it takes to move up the ladder.
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Meister 3/20/2019 2:06pm
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Nope.
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shuggs 3/20/2019 2:20pm
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No chance! Mr Last Place has ridden practices, qualifying, heats & LCQ to get there. For the leaders they should be good enough to pass them easily.

How would you feel if this were you. What if you had a bump during the day and we’re trying your best???
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barnett468 3/20/2019 2:22pm
3/20/2019 2:22pm Edited Date/Time 3/20/2019 6:11pm
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Jesus fng christ. I can't believe this is even a thread.
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Let me preface this by saying I think lappers are a part of racing, in any discipline and what I’m about to say I don’t think should be a weekly occurrence. I’d like to see a few more triple crowns and leave the rest be personally.
However, one of the coolest races I saw last year was a dirt oval midget race inside Indianapolis Speedway. One of the preliminary nights they held a “pursuit race” for the fastest top 24 qualifiers. After 4 laps they would park anyone who lost more positions than they gained. It was amazing to watch and went way better than I think even they thought. A kid from 18th (who was super fast) won with a little help from some top cars losing a spot or 2 and getting pulled off.
It was neat to see them try something new, it went went really well.
Like I said that probably doesn’t have a place in SX, especially during the weekly show, but as a preliminary night race it was amazing.
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I don't think a rule needs to be written but the officials can talk to guys that get lapped twice and ask them to pull it in next time that happens, or they can start handing out penalties if guys "gain an advantage" by going around the whoops, etc.
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barnett468 wrote:
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Jesus fng christ. I can't believe this is even a thread.
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Get used to it...

If you stay around long enough it will come around again and again.
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Frank 3/20/2019 4:28pm
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The 250 class should be for learning the sport and what is involved to compete for wins in the premier 450 class.

At Indy 50% of the 450 class (12th - 22 place) got lapped. Some of them several times. That is excessive for a World Championship series in my opinion.



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barnett468 3/20/2019 4:29pm
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barnett468 wrote:
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Jesus fng christ. I can't believe this is even a thread.
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disbanded wrote:
Get used to it...

If you stay around long enough it will come around again and again.
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OMG!
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The only time I have an issue is when they are towards the end of the main and you occasionally get some of the slower riders who are a few laps down still out there rolling jumps not actively racing the track, then they should be pulled in and parked.
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plowboy 3/20/2019 5:02pm
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Or....they could just put every riders number in a hat and have a Monster girl pull one out...bingo, that's the race winner. Think of the money saved...the bikes and riders don't even have to be present to win. Hell, they could just pick the whole seasons winners in one sitting...crown the champ...and the sports safety factor goes through the roof.

Passing other riders is one of the things a pro racer has to master. Those guys at the back have sponsors/supporters just like the big boys. Fill the gates and let 'em race.
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hartebreak 3/20/2019 5:10pm
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How about after 15 minutes, the top 10 riders each get a pistol and 5 rounds of ammunition to do as they see fit........
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bw56 3/20/2019 6:04pm
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I think they should pull riders off the track if one is lapped by the halfway point of the race. Eh, maybe that would cause them to race against the guy lapping them, maybe a bad idea....
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bad juju 3/20/2019 6:07pm
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tonyd811 wrote:
No...I've never raced Supercross (beginner at best, but a super fan)... Once upon a time with road racing crit's, they would pull the last place guy...
No...I've never raced Supercross (beginner at best, but a super fan)...

Once upon a time with road racing crit's, they would pull the last place guy after each lap to downsize the field in hopes of giving the front runners as much clean air as possible, for as long as possible.

There was a post on here where it was said Reed semi-blocked Baggett which resulted in the #4 losing time to Marvin.

What if after lap 5, the last place rider on each lap thereafter was pulled from the race (or lap 7 or 10 or whatever...you get my point)?

No sure if this is a solution, or maybe even more of a problem as could potentially slow down the trailing riders as they would be taking each other out not to be eliminated.

Thoughts?

PS- I'm not a sensitive man so feel free to blast at will. No hard feelings here. haha.
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barnett468 3/20/2019 6:12pm
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BobKerr wrote:
No, don't pull them from the race. Maybe fine them if they are blatantly obviously holding up the race leaders.
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So no more "team" racing then.


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Nuffsaid 3/20/2019 8:40pm
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What if there was escape alternate lanes where a blue flag meant you take the alternate route to let the leaders battle or some variation of that?
motonation24 3/20/2019 10:36pm
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mac3-d wrote:
Solution is to black flag Reed once the leaders get close ! Problem solved
Haha
Boomslang 3/21/2019 4:26am
3/21/2019 4:26am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2019 4:38am
tonyd811 wrote:
No...I've never raced Supercross (beginner at best, but a super fan)... Once upon a time with road racing crit's, they would pull the last place guy...
No...I've never raced Supercross (beginner at best, but a super fan)...

Once upon a time with road racing crit's, they would pull the last place guy after each lap to downsize the field in hopes of giving the front runners as much clean air as possible, for as long as possible.

There was a post on here where it was said Reed semi-blocked Baggett which resulted in the #4 losing time to Marvin.

What if after lap 5, the last place rider on each lap thereafter was pulled from the race (or lap 7 or 10 or whatever...you get my point)?

No sure if this is a solution, or maybe even more of a problem as could potentially slow down the trailing riders as they would be taking each other out not to be eliminated.

Thoughts?

PS- I'm not a sensitive man so feel free to blast at will. No hard feelings here. haha.
I hear what you are saying but there are better, more diplomatic ways to "cull" the field.

There is the 107% rule. It's a sporting regulation affecting Formula One racing qualifying sessions and easily can be adopted into the SX mains.

Basically what the rule does is that during the first phase of qualifying, any driver who fails to set a lap within 107 percent of the fastest time in the first qualifying session will not be allowed to start the race without permission from the race stewards.

In order to stop guys rolling around during a SX main, the rider will need to remain within the 107% of the fastest lap set. The percentage can be changed to suit SX..or just stick to the 107%.

Obviously, if a rider crashes then the rule will not apply to that lap.

The 107% Rule will ensure that no one rolls around - the more I think about this 107% Rule, the more I think it should be written into the white book and applied to the Main events.
Boomslang 3/21/2019 4:29am
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Interesting but the guys sacrifice so much to get to where they are at. It would be a sin to remove a rider who could work...
Interesting but the guys sacrifice so much to get to where they are at. It would be a sin to remove a rider who could work his way forward towards a better result...dont try fix what ain't broken.
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A few months ago I was giving Boomslanger (yes, I took editorial license) a TON of shit! Now, I'm always nodding my head when I read his posts and saying...

"Yup! He's right about that."
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motomike137 3/21/2019 4:31am
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The real solution here is to throw a caution and allow the lapped riders to get their lap back and bunch the field up like Nascar does Smile
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chilybil23 3/21/2019 7:35am
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Forty wrote:
I’m in the same group that says everyone earned their main event they should get to complete it.
Still not entirely sure where I fall on this debate, could make back of the pack racing more exciting, could make it even more difficult getting by lappers when they're in the middle of a battle over 17th place. Imagine instead of trying to pass 2 guys rolling the whoops or trying to pass those same 2 trying to race each other for the privilege to staying on the track. I think it would be one of those things to test out as mentioned earlier in one off races, or Triple Crown type settings. I don't agree that qualifying for the main gives you the right to finish it though, I think qualifying only gives you the right to start the main.
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kaptkaos 3/21/2019 7:36am
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Again, the real solution is have a full field of truly elite pro factory riders. Sorry Privateers, I will watch you as long as we have to, but if we can get a full field of paid pros, so long.
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DF313 3/21/2019 9:09am
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Or do it excite bike style and just have the track packed with lappers right out of the gate
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