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If they're too high, mighty, and important to worry about little old Brock Tickle then fuck them. A man's livelihood is at stake, but he's just...
If they're too high, mighty, and important to worry about little old Brock Tickle then fuck them. A man's livelihood is at stake, but he's just a number in a very long line. Should anyone actually be fine with that? It conforms to a reasonable conception of justice? It may be the way it is, but that says nothing about the way it ought to be.
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Every case number in that very long list of case numbers represents a man or woman whose livelihood is at stake, and each think they are...
Every case number in that very long list of case numbers represents a man or woman whose livelihood is at stake, and each think they are more important and deserve more attention than the others.
That is a good point - Tickle doesn't deserve special treatment. But it could be that all deserve better treatment.
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What is relevant is Broc is out for two years and maybe four.
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1/3/2019 11:54am
He still deserves an answer as to what his punishment is. Imagine being sent home from work for failing a drug test and 9 months later...
He still deserves an answer as to what his punishment is. Imagine being sent home from work for failing a drug test and 9 months later still not knowing what they planned to do to you.
I agree, but it's even worse than that. It's more like getting caught on a drug test, your employer fires you, but the entire industry won't hire you unless the testing agency oks it, and 9 months later they haven't told you squat.
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The way it ought to be is Broc should have followed the rules and not taken a banned substance, but he did and he got caught...
The way it ought to be is Broc should have followed the rules and not taken a banned substance, but he did and he got caught and now he's paying the price. He has no one to blame but himself. Blush
You just don't get it, do you?
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1/3/2019 12:03pm
He should be pissed. They fucked him over.
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1/3/2019 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/3/2019 12:28pm
Yes dont do drugs... thats a given for the idiots that keep saying this. Theres lots of things your not supposed to do, sometimes people break the rules. Anderson and Peick both punched people, what if both of them were still in limbo to this day? When you do something wrong you take the punishment your dealt, and try to be better in the future. You cant do that if they havent even given your punishment but your still not allowed to race. It shouldnt be when anybody messes up they never get an answer on when their punished until and their just shit outta luck...forever, thats the problem. How is that so hard to understand?
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Yes he lost his job, that part is straight forward and I think all get it. What is wrong here is they are also keeping him...
Yes he lost his job, that part is straight forward and I think all get it.

What is wrong here is they are also keeping him from working. Can not run one off races, other series, or even know when he can complete in the US again. So they are keeping him from making a living, that is seriously wrong.
So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This...
So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This boat has sailed, he needs to take a hint and move on. My point is, this is just like crying that you lost your job for smoking pot knowing you're getting drug tested. No difference.
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You sir....are a fuckwit!!
How? If you are a Nurse and fail a drug test, you can never work as a nurse again because you lose your license. They know the rules, just like he did. Fuck him, he got caught time to move on. That's life, sorry that hurts peoples feelings.
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Yes dont do drugs... thats a given for the idiots that keep saying this. Theres lots of things your not supposed to do, sometimes people break...
Yes dont do drugs... thats a given for the idiots that keep saying this. Theres lots of things your not supposed to do, sometimes people break the rules. Anderson and Peick both punched people, what if both of them were still in limbo to this day? When you do something wrong you take the punishment your dealt, and try to be better in the future. You cant do that if they havent even given your punishment but your still not allowed to race. It shouldnt be when anybody messes up they never get an answer on when their punished until and their just shit outta luck...forever, thats the problem. How is that so hard to understand?
Some people are on too high of a horse to try bothering to understand things sometimes
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So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This...
So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This boat has sailed, he needs to take a hint and move on. My point is, this is just like crying that you lost your job for smoking pot knowing you're getting drug tested. No difference.
PJRAUS wrote:
You sir....are a fuckwit!!
How? If you are a Nurse and fail a drug test, you can never work as a nurse again because you lose your license. They know...
How? If you are a Nurse and fail a drug test, you can never work as a nurse again because you lose your license. They know the rules, just like he did. Fuck him, he got caught time to move on. That's life, sorry that hurts peoples feelings.
Broc doesn't have someone's life in his hands....pretty major difference.
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1/3/2019 1:19pm Edited Date/Time 1/3/2019 1:20pm
Not sure if this has been posted, but MXA responded to a readers question about the FIM controlling SX.

HOW THE FIM GOT CONTROL OF AMERICAN SUPERCROSS

Dear MXA,

Why is the American Supercross series sanctioned by the FIM? The Euros have nothing to do with Supercross, but they bring their rules, not to mention WADA, to a country that was doing fine without them. How did they get control of Supercross?


Where there is money, there are people willing to play for keeps. Back in 2001, the AMA and Clear Channel, then the promoting group of Supercross, engaged in a civil war over who would run Supercross. The AMA had been the sanctioning body for the vast majority of Supercross races held in the United States since the very first one on July 8, 1972. As the sanctioning body, the AMA was the ombudsman for the riders, rule book and sport. Its job was to look out for the best interest of the sport, ensure fair competition, protect the riders and run the races. A sanctioning body should act as the middleman between the spirit of the sport and the realities of the business aspects of the sport.

Clear Channel was the promoter of 15 of the 16 AMA Supercross rounds (albeit under names like Pace Motorsports, SFX and Live Nation over the years). A promoter’s job is to hold the races. The race promoter makes the majority of his money by selling sponsorship packages to energy drink bottlers, motorcycle manufacturers, software developers, tire companies and automobile firms. They also reap the benefit of selling tickets, souvenirs and concessions to live audiences.

The sanctioning body makes its money by charging sanctioning fees to the promoter, collecting gate money for rider entries, charging for AMA Pro licenses and selling title sponsorships (in competition and conflict with the race promoters, who also want to do the same thing). It is in the area of title sponsorship that sanctioning bodies and promoters most often come to loggerheads.

THE 2001 CIVIL WAR


The 2001 Supercross civil war came about when the AMA and Clear Channel were unable to come to an agreement on a future contract (the then-current contract expired at the end of the 2002 season). The sticking points were profit sharing, sanctioning fees and sponsorship rights. Clear Channel said that it didn’t need the AMA and would run its own Supercross series. In response, the AMA declared its intention to run its own Supercross series head-to-head against the Clear Channel-promoted series in 2003.

Clear Channel’s advantage in the battle was that it had agreements with most of the major stadiums and arenas in the country and experience holding Supercross events. On the AMA side of the war was a big club called fiduciary rights. This legal term became very important because, as interpreted, it said that the motorcycle manufacturers who were members of the AMA Board of trustees could do nothing that would harm the AMA—because as board members, they had a fiduciary responsibility to support the organization that they governed.

On one hand, you had a promoting group that had the stadiums wrapped up, and, on the other hand, you had a sanctioning body that had the riders and factory teams caught in a legal conundrum. One thing that everyone who was involved on the rider and team side of things in 2001 knew was that promoting group should not be the sanctioning bodies. Why not? If a decision had to be made that meant more money for Clear Channel or an improvement in the riders’ well being, the promoting groups would always look out for their bottom line. It’s no secret that previous Clear Channel management teams abused their power, brow beat privateers, banned the press and were anything but benevolent to the sport. Their heavy handedness eventually culminated in the 1995 Las Vegas rider strike and their attempt to have Jeremy McGrath banned from the sport. Nobody wants absolute power in the hands of a corporation.

By the same token, sanctioning bodies should not promote races. Their job is to look out for the welfare of the riders, integrity of the sport and long-term future of all involved (and that includes race promoters). They can’t do that when they are money hungry.


THE PRE-PRE 2001 CIVIL WAR

The 2001 Clear Channel-versus-AMA civil war was not the first time the AMA and a promoting group got in a battle. Ten years earlier, the AMA tried to take over a road race series from the promoter who developed it. They got tagged for $3,000,000 after the promoter’s lawyers were through with them (and the circumstances were remarkably similar to the 2001 Supercross spat).

On the Supercross legal front, history shows that arguing is part of the deal. In 1984, the Supercross promoters broke away from the AMA to form their own series. The hastily assembled Insport series and its AIR sanctioning body only lasted for a short time—but the record books are a mess because of it. In 1984, Jeff Ward won the AMA Supercross title (a two-race series), while Johnny O’Mara earned the 15-race Insport crown.

THE AMA SUES THE RACE TEAMS IN 1982


Additionally, the Big Four manufacturers were sued by the AMA in 1982 when the factory teams pulled out of the AMA Trans-USA series to race the non-AMA sanctioned CMC Trans-Cal series. The factory teams lost that lawsuit because as members of the AMA Board of Directors, they were bound by “fiduciary responsibility” to support the organization they directed. The manufacturers had to pay the AMA a settlement.

Back in 2001, Clear Channel started locking up long-term exclusivity deals with several major stadiums, including Anaheim, Dallas, Phoenix and Minneapolis. The goal was to keep the AMA out.

THE BATTLE THAT GOT THE FIM INVOLVED

As for the AMA, it signed a contract with Chicago-based entertainment group Jam Sports to become the promoter of the proposed 2003 AMA Supercross series. Jam Sports took the job seriously and began rounding up whatever venues were possible Supercross sites. The AMA and Jam Sports’ plan was to hold as many 2003 Supercross events as possible on the same weekend as Clear Channel’s events—with the knowledge that the factory teams would have to race with them. Psychologically, they also knew that the Japanese corporate bosses saw the AMA as the one-and-only motorcycle organization in the United States and, most important, the official federation of the FIM (International Motorcycle Federation). Since the Japanese manufacturers field more than just American motocross teams, the AMA was their one-stop shopping association.

No sport, no matter how strong and powerful it thinks it is, is immune to collapse. The AMA/Clear Channel discord smacked of the CART/IRL fiasco. And, if you know anything about championship auto racing, you know that both series were demeaned by their bitter fight. The powerful CART turned out to be the surprise loser, but Indy Car racing never returned to the glory it had before the nasty breakup.

THE SUPERCROSS PROMOTER’S LATERAL ARABESQUE

It didn’t appear as though the AMA and Clear Channel could resolve their differences without going to court. But, Clear Channel had an ace in the hole. An outside promoter, who worked for Clear Channel, told his bosses that the solution to their problem was to skip over the AMA and sanction the 2003 Clear Channel Supercross series with the FIM. Since the FIM was the world-wide sanctioning body of all motorcycle racing (and the AMA was an affiliate of the FIM), if they became an FIM-sanctioned event, the Big Four manufacturers could race with Clear Channel without violating their fiduciary responsibility to the AMA—because the AMA was under the FIM umbrella.

And that is how the FIM became the sanctioning body for the AMA Supercross series. Beaten by the FIM trump card, the AMA had to return to sanctioning the Clear Channel Supercross series and give up its Jam Sports plans. Clear Channel had outsmarted the AMA.

However, Jam Sports didn’t take it lying down. Jam Sports accused Clear Channel of illegally using its entertainment industry might to scuttle Jam Sport’s bid to promote Supercross racing by intimidating stadium owners (and Jam Sports had Clear Channel memos to prove their case). In January of 2005, the jury awarded Jam Sports a $90 million judgment against Clear Channel for anticompetitive behavior. And that’s the short version f how the FIM got involved in American Supercross.
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So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This...
So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This boat has sailed, he needs to take a hint and move on. My point is, this is just like crying that you lost your job for smoking pot knowing you're getting drug tested. No difference.
PJRAUS wrote:
You sir....are a fuckwit!!
How? If you are a Nurse and fail a drug test, you can never work as a nurse again because you lose your license. They know...
How? If you are a Nurse and fail a drug test, you can never work as a nurse again because you lose your license. They know the rules, just like he did. Fuck him, he got caught time to move on. That's life, sorry that hurts peoples feelings.
As explained by some knowledgeable people here...it is a simple matter to take a supplement..and they all take supplements , that has been tainted in the production process with some ingredient from another product made at the same facility.
Also the fact that the substance in question has virtually next to no performance enhancing characteristics...Do you really think Tickle would risk his career by knowingly taking a banned substance that has no performance benefit for him? Really ??
You are carrying on like he"s hopped into the steroids and is whining about getting caught!
Imagine how you'd feel if it was you...the utter bewilderment , wondering what the fuck it was you took that had this shit in it?
And btw ,wether or not Tickle is a race winner or not is of no importance to the argument of fairness and how hes been treated
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1/3/2019 1:41pm Edited Date/Time 1/3/2019 1:46pm
sam hain wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted, but MXA responded to a readers question about the FIM controlling SX. HOW THE FIM GOT CONTROL OF AMERICAN...
Not sure if this has been posted, but MXA responded to a readers question about the FIM controlling SX.

HOW THE FIM GOT CONTROL OF AMERICAN SUPERCROSS

Dear MXA,

Why is the American Supercross series sanctioned by the FIM? The Euros have nothing to do with Supercross, but they bring their rules, not to mention WADA, to a country that was doing fine without them. How did they get control of Supercross?


Where there is money, there are people willing to play for keeps. Back in 2001, the AMA and Clear Channel, then the promoting group of Supercross, engaged in a civil war over who would run Supercross. The AMA had been the sanctioning body for the vast majority of Supercross races held in the United States since the very first one on July 8, 1972. As the sanctioning body, the AMA was the ombudsman for the riders, rule book and sport. Its job was to look out for the best interest of the sport, ensure fair competition, protect the riders and run the races. A sanctioning body should act as the middleman between the spirit of the sport and the realities of the business aspects of the sport.

Clear Channel was the promoter of 15 of the 16 AMA Supercross rounds (albeit under names like Pace Motorsports, SFX and Live Nation over the years). A promoter’s job is to hold the races. The race promoter makes the majority of his money by selling sponsorship packages to energy drink bottlers, motorcycle manufacturers, software developers, tire companies and automobile firms. They also reap the benefit of selling tickets, souvenirs and concessions to live audiences.

The sanctioning body makes its money by charging sanctioning fees to the promoter, collecting gate money for rider entries, charging for AMA Pro licenses and selling title sponsorships (in competition and conflict with the race promoters, who also want to do the same thing). It is in the area of title sponsorship that sanctioning bodies and promoters most often come to loggerheads.

THE 2001 CIVIL WAR


The 2001 Supercross civil war came about when the AMA and Clear Channel were unable to come to an agreement on a future contract (the then-current contract expired at the end of the 2002 season). The sticking points were profit sharing, sanctioning fees and sponsorship rights. Clear Channel said that it didn’t need the AMA and would run its own Supercross series. In response, the AMA declared its intention to run its own Supercross series head-to-head against the Clear Channel-promoted series in 2003.

Clear Channel’s advantage in the battle was that it had agreements with most of the major stadiums and arenas in the country and experience holding Supercross events. On the AMA side of the war was a big club called fiduciary rights. This legal term became very important because, as interpreted, it said that the motorcycle manufacturers who were members of the AMA Board of trustees could do nothing that would harm the AMA—because as board members, they had a fiduciary responsibility to support the organization that they governed.

On one hand, you had a promoting group that had the stadiums wrapped up, and, on the other hand, you had a sanctioning body that had the riders and factory teams caught in a legal conundrum. One thing that everyone who was involved on the rider and team side of things in 2001 knew was that promoting group should not be the sanctioning bodies. Why not? If a decision had to be made that meant more money for Clear Channel or an improvement in the riders’ well being, the promoting groups would always look out for their bottom line. It’s no secret that previous Clear Channel management teams abused their power, brow beat privateers, banned the press and were anything but benevolent to the sport. Their heavy handedness eventually culminated in the 1995 Las Vegas rider strike and their attempt to have Jeremy McGrath banned from the sport. Nobody wants absolute power in the hands of a corporation.

By the same token, sanctioning bodies should not promote races. Their job is to look out for the welfare of the riders, integrity of the sport and long-term future of all involved (and that includes race promoters). They can’t do that when they are money hungry.


THE PRE-PRE 2001 CIVIL WAR

The 2001 Clear Channel-versus-AMA civil war was not the first time the AMA and a promoting group got in a battle. Ten years earlier, the AMA tried to take over a road race series from the promoter who developed it. They got tagged for $3,000,000 after the promoter’s lawyers were through with them (and the circumstances were remarkably similar to the 2001 Supercross spat).

On the Supercross legal front, history shows that arguing is part of the deal. In 1984, the Supercross promoters broke away from the AMA to form their own series. The hastily assembled Insport series and its AIR sanctioning body only lasted for a short time—but the record books are a mess because of it. In 1984, Jeff Ward won the AMA Supercross title (a two-race series), while Johnny O’Mara earned the 15-race Insport crown.

THE AMA SUES THE RACE TEAMS IN 1982


Additionally, the Big Four manufacturers were sued by the AMA in 1982 when the factory teams pulled out of the AMA Trans-USA series to race the non-AMA sanctioned CMC Trans-Cal series. The factory teams lost that lawsuit because as members of the AMA Board of Directors, they were bound by “fiduciary responsibility” to support the organization they directed. The manufacturers had to pay the AMA a settlement.

Back in 2001, Clear Channel started locking up long-term exclusivity deals with several major stadiums, including Anaheim, Dallas, Phoenix and Minneapolis. The goal was to keep the AMA out.

THE BATTLE THAT GOT THE FIM INVOLVED

As for the AMA, it signed a contract with Chicago-based entertainment group Jam Sports to become the promoter of the proposed 2003 AMA Supercross series. Jam Sports took the job seriously and began rounding up whatever venues were possible Supercross sites. The AMA and Jam Sports’ plan was to hold as many 2003 Supercross events as possible on the same weekend as Clear Channel’s events—with the knowledge that the factory teams would have to race with them. Psychologically, they also knew that the Japanese corporate bosses saw the AMA as the one-and-only motorcycle organization in the United States and, most important, the official federation of the FIM (International Motorcycle Federation). Since the Japanese manufacturers field more than just American motocross teams, the AMA was their one-stop shopping association.

No sport, no matter how strong and powerful it thinks it is, is immune to collapse. The AMA/Clear Channel discord smacked of the CART/IRL fiasco. And, if you know anything about championship auto racing, you know that both series were demeaned by their bitter fight. The powerful CART turned out to be the surprise loser, but Indy Car racing never returned to the glory it had before the nasty breakup.

THE SUPERCROSS PROMOTER’S LATERAL ARABESQUE

It didn’t appear as though the AMA and Clear Channel could resolve their differences without going to court. But, Clear Channel had an ace in the hole. An outside promoter, who worked for Clear Channel, told his bosses that the solution to their problem was to skip over the AMA and sanction the 2003 Clear Channel Supercross series with the FIM. Since the FIM was the world-wide sanctioning body of all motorcycle racing (and the AMA was an affiliate of the FIM), if they became an FIM-sanctioned event, the Big Four manufacturers could race with Clear Channel without violating their fiduciary responsibility to the AMA—because the AMA was under the FIM umbrella.

And that is how the FIM became the sanctioning body for the AMA Supercross series. Beaten by the FIM trump card, the AMA had to return to sanctioning the Clear Channel Supercross series and give up its Jam Sports plans. Clear Channel had outsmarted the AMA.

However, Jam Sports didn’t take it lying down. Jam Sports accused Clear Channel of illegally using its entertainment industry might to scuttle Jam Sport’s bid to promote Supercross racing by intimidating stadium owners (and Jam Sports had Clear Channel memos to prove their case). In January of 2005, the jury awarded Jam Sports a $90 million judgment against Clear Channel for anticompetitive behavior. And that’s the short version f how the FIM got involved in American Supercross.
Going off topic but the records are kind of jacked up by the world supercross title as well, didnt james win that but Carmichael won the regular one and the only difference was 2 more races in Canada... that was stupid.

Look at AMA supercross winners by year and then World Supercross... its all jacked up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Energy_AMA_Supercross,_an_FIM_W…
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Without knowing anything going on behind the scenes, how can you say the delay to this point is reasonable or unreasonable? You have no information upon...
Without knowing anything going on behind the scenes, how can you say the delay to this point is reasonable or unreasonable? You have no information upon which to reach a definitive conclusion, other than a social media post from Brock Tickle saying the FIM and WADA are conspiring to take away his livelihood. I'm pretty certain WADA has no clue who Brock Tickle is and doesn't really care, and certainly isn't conspiring with FIM to take away his livelihood. But, like you, I have no information to back that up so I can't say it definitively.

What Tickle is going through is not out of the ordinary for WADA, it's just what you have to deal with when you ingest a banned substance and get caught. If I were Tickle I would be frustrated and impatient as well, and would want my case treated with the highest level of urgency. But to WADA, his case is just a number in a very long line of other case numbers that will eventually reach a final hearing. And then, hopefully, he will get the good news that his suspension is 2 years instead of 4 years.
I agree that I don't have definitive information because it isn't publicly available or might not even exist. Doesn't this illuminate another problem in this entire process? Frankly, at the very least shouldn't the FIM make public simple things like has a hearing been requested or if a hearing date has been set? Seems doing so would provide greater transparency for the process as a whole without invading anyone's right to privacy?

I don't for a second buy into any conspiracy theory, but, in addition to that statement we have Tickle's statement that the FIM has not issued a hearing date. I agree WADA isn't conspiring to do anything to Tickle and may not even know or care who he is. My agreement is based on the fact that the FIM is responsible for setting up the hearing, etc.

So we have our players right, let me refer to the FIM Anti-Doping Code. FIM initiates the hearing process pursuant to Article 8.1.1. It does so by referring the matter to International Disciplinary Court (CDI). WADA can attend the hearing as an observer should it so choose (8.1.4). WADA doesn't conduct the hearings.

Lets look at another case not to dissimilar from Tickle (Alcohol was involved and the Rider didn't know how it got in his system) http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/Anti-doping-Dar…

1. Event - August 17, 2014
2. Provisional suspension upheld September 19, 2014 - "In his decision the CDI Single Judge ... recommended that the final hearing should be fixed expeditiously, preferably in the month of October or November 2014, so that a decision on the merits could be taken in a timely manner."
3. September 29, 2014 - Ward's Attorney asks for case materials
4. October 29, 2014 - FIM sets hearing for January 8, 2015
5. December 19, 2014 - Hearing continuance requested by Rider
6. January 9, 2015 - Hearing set for January 30, 2015.
7. January 30, 2015 - Hearing held
8. February 25, 2015 - CDI renders decision. 10 months ineligibility

Provisional to Hearing 133 days
Provisional to First Notice of Hearing 40 days

Whether or not it is out of the ordinary I can only speculate. History seems to indicate that these things can be handled a lot quicker than Tickle's case is being handle. We can only make assumptions of what is transpiring. I even have to take Tickle at his word that a hearing hasn't been set. Who knows ....

I was maybe a little harsh with the Fascist analogy, but in any set of circumstances we are now 197 days from the provisional suspension without a hearing having been set. Even assuming there are a lot of unknown facts out there beyond what we do know (i.e., dirty tests A&B, rider says I don't know, Rider wanting a hearing, etc.) this seems unreasonably long. Only thing I can think of that would change my opinion is if Tickle was asking for continuances and not being candid about the hearing dates. Also factoring into my thoughts are the manner in which other violations have been handled and keeping in mind that Stewart's hearing was held within 119 days of the provisional suspension.

Just my 2 cents .... Reasonable minds can differ.







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dedi684 wrote:
Employer drug testing is becoming a thing of the past in free states.
What states are these "free" states?
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dedi684 wrote:
Employer drug testing is becoming a thing of the past in free states.
plowboy wrote:
What states are these "free" states?
I work at a coal mine which employs close to 1000 people, an average of 3.6 people a month get sacked for failing drug tests.....I'm all for it.
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dedi684 wrote:
Employer drug testing is becoming a thing of the past in free states.
plowboy wrote:
What states are these "free" states?
I work at a coal mine which employs close to 1000 people, an average of 3.6 people a month get sacked for failing drug tests.....I'm all...
I work at a coal mine which employs close to 1000 people, an average of 3.6 people a month get sacked for failing drug tests.....I'm all for it.
Most employers in ohio require drug tests before you start and then they do random ones. Workmans compensation claims require them too.

Ohio isnt a “free” state. Too bad we have a horrendous drug problem lol
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kb228 wrote:
Most employers in ohio require drug tests before you start and then they do random ones. Workmans compensation claims require them too. Ohio isnt a “free”...
Most employers in ohio require drug tests before you start and then they do random ones. Workmans compensation claims require them too.

Ohio isnt a “free” state. Too bad we have a horrendous drug problem lol
Wrong again. You’re on a roll today. One of the Top 10 biggest businesses in Ohio dosen’t drug test anyone. Pre employment or during. Workman’s compensation in Ohio also dosen’t require drug testing, it only encourages it for a discount on the premium through DFSP to your employer. Even further, a positive test, especially one that takes place after the incident, dosen’t mean you’ll be denied WC as Ohio has a rebuttle presumption rule that can be used as a defense in a positive test case
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PJRAUS wrote:
As explained by some knowledgeable people here...it is a simple matter to take a supplement..and they all take supplements , that has been tainted in the...
As explained by some knowledgeable people here...it is a simple matter to take a supplement..and they all take supplements , that has been tainted in the production process with some ingredient from another product made at the same facility.
Also the fact that the substance in question has virtually next to no performance enhancing characteristics...Do you really think Tickle would risk his career by knowingly taking a banned substance that has no performance benefit for him? Really ??
You are carrying on like he"s hopped into the steroids and is whining about getting caught!
Imagine how you'd feel if it was you...the utter bewilderment , wondering what the fuck it was you took that had this shit in it?
And btw ,wether or not Tickle is a race winner or not is of no importance to the argument of fairness and how hes been treated
PJRAUS wrote:

Also the fact that the substance in question has virtually next to no performance enhancing characteristics...Do you really think Tickle would risk his career by knowingly taking a banned substance that has no performance benefit for him? Really ??


If it didn't work, it wouldn't be a banned substance. Obviously you have never used it otherwise you wouldn't post such nonsense.
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1/3/2019 7:24pm Edited Date/Time 1/4/2019 6:13am
So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This...
So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This boat has sailed, he needs to take a hint and move on. My point is, this is just like crying that you lost your job for smoking pot knowing you're getting drug tested. No difference.
PJRAUS wrote:
You sir....are a fuckwit!!
How? If you are a Nurse and fail a drug test, you can never work as a nurse again because you lose your license. They know...
How? If you are a Nurse and fail a drug test, you can never work as a nurse again because you lose your license. They know the rules, just like he did. Fuck him, he got caught time to move on. That's life, sorry that hurts peoples feelings.
We are talking about racing dirt bikes not saving someones life.

You so hard Bro!

And in reply to you dumbass analogy above your last dumbass analogy. Yes he got caught smoking weed but guess what, he can go the very next day and get a job doing the same exact thing no matter what his past employer says.

Once again! Give the man his sentence so he can get on with his life either on what he knows (racing his motorcycle) or calling it a day and moving on to something else. Can’t call it a day when you have NO answers. That is all
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For fuck sake this issues pretty simple really, it's taken WADA & the FIM a long time to do nothing.
That's why it's a fucked situation, not because of whether Tickle is guilty or not, not whether he was pumped full of roids or took a supplement that's not allowed.
If it takes them this long to even have a hearing into the matter, than they're obviously not managing the situation very efficiently. If they can't manage testing and make concise decisions in a reasonable amount of time, they should fuck off and hand the reins to someone who can.
Have a hearing, give the penalty and get on with it.
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1/3/2019 8:14pm
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Yes he lost his job, that part is straight forward and I think all get it. What is wrong here is they are also keeping him...
Yes he lost his job, that part is straight forward and I think all get it.

What is wrong here is they are also keeping him from working. Can not run one off races, other series, or even know when he can complete in the US again. So they are keeping him from making a living, that is seriously wrong.
So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This...
So they are keeping him from getting a job in the industry? Everyone acts like he wins races, and is in the hunt for championships. This boat has sailed, he needs to take a hint and move on. My point is, this is just like crying that you lost your job for smoking pot knowing you're getting drug tested. No difference.
2stroked wrote:
Bernie, I think you win the most retarded vital poster of 2019 so far. Congrats.
2stroked has biggum brains. He's nailed it on both accounts. They ran James Stewart out of mx and they should never be allowed anywhere near our dear sport again. I don't care if they quit drug testing all together, there's not many drugs I can think of that would help anyway. Everytime I smoke a huge rock my lap times suffer....
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1/3/2019 8:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/3/2019 8:23pm
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Going off topic but the records are kind of jacked up by the world supercross title as well, didnt james win that but Carmichael won the...
Going off topic but the records are kind of jacked up by the world supercross title as well, didnt james win that but Carmichael won the regular one and the only difference was 2 more races in Canada... that was stupid.

Look at AMA supercross winners by year and then World Supercross... its all jacked up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Energy_AMA_Supercross,_an_FIM_W…
Two extra races in Canada and Daytona didn't count. Bubba threw it away at Daytona which is why he won the World SX title, but not the AMA title.
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RydeRed wrote:
[i]PJRAUS wrote: Also the fact that the substance in question has virtually next to no performance enhancing characteristics...Do you really think Tickle would risk his career...
PJRAUS wrote:

Also the fact that the substance in question has virtually next to no performance enhancing characteristics...Do you really think Tickle would risk his career by knowingly taking a banned substance that has no performance benefit for him? Really ??


If it didn't work, it wouldn't be a banned substance. Obviously you have never used it otherwise you wouldn't post such nonsense.
So everything on the banned list is a performance enhancing drug? I think we know who the ignorant one is here.
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1/3/2019 8:26pm
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Most employers in ohio require drug tests before you start and then they do random ones. Workmans compensation claims require them too. Ohio isnt a “free”...
Most employers in ohio require drug tests before you start and then they do random ones. Workmans compensation claims require them too.

Ohio isnt a “free” state. Too bad we have a horrendous drug problem lol
Premix wrote:
Wrong again. You’re on a roll today. One of the Top 10 biggest businesses in Ohio dosen’t drug test anyone. Pre employment or during. Workman’s compensation...
Wrong again. You’re on a roll today. One of the Top 10 biggest businesses in Ohio dosen’t drug test anyone. Pre employment or during. Workman’s compensation in Ohio also dosen’t require drug testing, it only encourages it for a discount on the premium through DFSP to your employer. Even further, a positive test, especially one that takes place after the incident, dosen’t mean you’ll be denied WC as Ohio has a rebuttle presumption rule that can be used as a defense in a positive test case
I think he meant WC claims drive the employers to drug test employees. Less people on drugs, less incidents.

While I get his point, I do see a difference in industry vs moto for drug testing. Drug testing in industry is to mitigate risk and try to prevent unnecessary loss (damage, injury, death). Drug testing in moto is to prevent people gaining an unfair advantage. Kind of an apples and oranges comparison.

Broc fucked up. Period. But the FIM should have a plan laid out for him by now, that’s just being professional.

Thanks for listening to my ted talk.
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I am starting to conspire that manufacturers could possibly pay the FIM to cut out riders from the show......just a thought.
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1/4/2019 2:14am
kb228 wrote:
Most employers in ohio require drug tests before you start and then they do random ones. Workmans compensation claims require them too. Ohio isnt a “free”...
Most employers in ohio require drug tests before you start and then they do random ones. Workmans compensation claims require them too.

Ohio isnt a “free” state. Too bad we have a horrendous drug problem lol
Premix wrote:
Wrong again. You’re on a roll today. One of the Top 10 biggest businesses in Ohio dosen’t drug test anyone. Pre employment or during. Workman’s compensation...
Wrong again. You’re on a roll today. One of the Top 10 biggest businesses in Ohio dosen’t drug test anyone. Pre employment or during. Workman’s compensation in Ohio also dosen’t require drug testing, it only encourages it for a discount on the premium through DFSP to your employer. Even further, a positive test, especially one that takes place after the incident, dosen’t mean you’ll be denied WC as Ohio has a rebuttle presumption rule that can be used as a defense in a positive test case
Dude shut the hell up with your BS.

I literally live here, work here, know plenty of people here, and have done the workmans comp thing, what i wrote is exactly how it works for every single person ive ever spoken to about employment.






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So everything on the banned list is a performance enhancing drug? I think we know who the ignorant one is here.
Seeing as it’s a list of drugs deemed to be performance-enhancing, I’d probably say yes.
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1/4/2019 4:27am
kb228 wrote:
Dude shut the hell up with your BS. I literally live here, work here, know plenty of people here, and have done the workmans comp thing...
Dude shut the hell up with your BS.

I literally live here, work here, know plenty of people here, and have done the workmans comp thing, what i wrote is exactly how it works for every single person ive ever spoken to about employment.






Easy keyboard warrior, I’m just informing you of state law. You were kicked off Vital around this time last year for the same thing we’re you not Aciddreamer? Creating another account and posting over 3k times in one year, jeez.....might be time for another break, literally....
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kb228 wrote:
Dude shut the hell up with your BS. I literally live here, work here, know plenty of people here, and have done the workmans comp thing...
Dude shut the hell up with your BS.

I literally live here, work here, know plenty of people here, and have done the workmans comp thing, what i wrote is exactly how it works for every single person ive ever spoken to about employment.






Premix wrote:
Easy keyboard warrior, I’m just informing you of state law. You were kicked off Vital around this time last year for the same thing we’re you...
Easy keyboard warrior, I’m just informing you of state law. You were kicked off Vital around this time last year for the same thing we’re you not Aciddreamer? Creating another account and posting over 3k times in one year, jeez.....might be time for another break, literally....
Ok, What you said and how it actually works is not the same. You dont get a job if you fail a drug test - at most companies(like i originally said). You dont get workmans comp if you fail a drug test. You hit your head on a crane because youre on drugs you dont get workmans comp. thats how it works.

Dont tell me im wrong when others and myself have experienced it first hand and i wont be a dick to you.

You dont even live here and youre trying to tell me how it works.

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1/4/2019 5:33am
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For fuck sake this issues pretty simple really, it's taken WADA & the FIM a long time to do nothing. That's why it's a fucked situation...
For fuck sake this issues pretty simple really, it's taken WADA & the FIM a long time to do nothing.
That's why it's a fucked situation, not because of whether Tickle is guilty or not, not whether he was pumped full of roids or took a supplement that's not allowed.
If it takes them this long to even have a hearing into the matter, than they're obviously not managing the situation very efficiently. If they can't manage testing and make concise decisions in a reasonable amount of time, they should fuck off and hand the reins to someone who can.
Have a hearing, give the penalty and get on with it.
Have you even been tested by WADA? I have, and they are ungodly slow... it took over 6 hours to drug test 5 people, and I didn’t get results back for about 5 months. I can almost gaurentee all of you cry babies on this situation haven’t been tested and have no room to speak. The whole process is extremely slow, and none of you have patience. Yeah, Broc is in “limbo” waiting for an answer, but oh well. Those are the cards he was dealt. As far as earning a living, nothing is stoping him from getting a job that does not involve racing a dirt bike. Gosh, some of you sound like snowflake liberal transgenders, “YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND” “IT’S WAY MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT”, “EVERYBODY IS STUPID IF THEY DONT THINK LIKE I DO”. That’s what you pansies sound like. Grow up bros
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