Webb??? Will Yamaha ever get a win?

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aroark247 wrote:
If KR94 was on a YZ he still would have been my pick last night. As he would be for most rational people- which tells you...
If KR94 was on a YZ he still would have been my pick last night. As he would be for most rational people- which tells you all you need to know about you Yamaha haters.

I don't know the skill level of all of you, so I won't assume. As for myself, I know how to ride and pretty well, and the only time the weight of a bike matters to me is when I'm lifting it onto a stand. I can twist and carve any bike I'm riding up jump face, a metal ramp, in the air, etc. and place it where I want to land and the same with corner/rut placement. I'm sure I'll be criticized for sounding Toolish by saying all that, but my point is some of you people are morons about your assessment of the YZF450. One would almost think you're talking about an elephant or train or any random immovable object when discussing the bike. We're talking a 16 lb difference (MXA) between YZF and SXF, for reference most high end boots weigh 10 lb

We'll see how well venting on vitard's goes...
Couldn't agree more man and this is coming from a guy that will probably never own a Yamaha.
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Mx286 wrote:
Have you actually rode the bike? It cracks me up how many people bash the YZ but have never ridden one. Yea the 10-13's were bad...
Have you actually rode the bike? It cracks me up how many people bash the YZ but have never ridden one. Yea the 10-13's were bad but the new ones are great bikes. Handles perfectly fine, has the motor, and suspension.

With Factory Yamaha I would like to think they could make a great bike in stock form a lot better with their resources.
Nope! Not my opinion... But JT said Chad struggled with the weight of it last year. Chad said he struggled with it unless it was hardpack. MXA tested Febvre's, the pinnacle of what that machine could be, and said it was 8 pounds heavier than a stock SXF.

Sure it's fine for you and me, but I bet Kenny and Dungey appreciate their super nimble, on the weight limit bikes at the end of a main more than Chad and Cooper like their blue bikes at the same time.
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aroark247 wrote:
If KR94 was on a YZ he still would have been my pick last night. As he would be for most rational people- which tells you...
If KR94 was on a YZ he still would have been my pick last night. As he would be for most rational people- which tells you all you need to know about you Yamaha haters.

I don't know the skill level of all of you, so I won't assume. As for myself, I know how to ride and pretty well, and the only time the weight of a bike matters to me is when I'm lifting it onto a stand. I can twist and carve any bike I'm riding up jump face, a metal ramp, in the air, etc. and place it where I want to land and the same with corner/rut placement. I'm sure I'll be criticized for sounding Toolish by saying all that, but my point is some of you people are morons about your assessment of the YZF450. One would almost think you're talking about an elephant or train or any random immovable object when discussing the bike. We're talking a 16 lb difference (MXA) between YZF and SXF, for reference most high end boots weigh 10 lb

We'll see how well venting on vitard's goes...
16lbs is a lot of weight, strap a 15lb weight on yourself and go for a run...

Have you ever ridden a YZ450 back to back with a new KTM or Honda? The Yamaha feels like a giant slow turning cruise ship.

I do ride, and I have ridden a bunch of different bikes.
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These crack me up everytime I look at them Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Ghost of Jabroni 1/8/2017 6:40pm
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Jarrod458 wrote:
Don't want to bash him in his first 450 SX...So Is that bike a product of magazine hype??? I never really thought it was that good...
Don't want to bash him in his first 450 SX...So Is that bike a product of magazine hype??? I never really thought it was that good. Seemed heavy, wide, awkward, seat to tall, foot pegs to high, and can't turn worth a shit. Its fast though. Barcia was clearly not comfortable on it. I feel like the magazines fed everyone bullshit since 2014, and this year they got it right with Yamaha is a 5th place shootout bike! Or did Webb just get a wake up call? Hope I don't piss off the Yamaha die hards to much, just my opinion.
Let's be honest, remember back when the reverse engine came out the first time? Dealers were selling them for no less than $10k for the first ones to hit the showroom floor. That bike was applauded by all the magazines and the hype was thru the roof. Then the magazines (rightfully so) spent the next several years trashing the bike.

Seems like history has repeated itself.
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moto317 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/08/168116/s1200_IMG_3712.jpg[/img] These crack me up everytime I look at them :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


These crack me up everytime I look at them Laughing Laughing Laughing
LOL. That's what it feels like every time I ride a Yamaha.
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aroark247 wrote:
If KR94 was on a YZ he still would have been my pick last night. As he would be for most rational people- which tells you...
If KR94 was on a YZ he still would have been my pick last night. As he would be for most rational people- which tells you all you need to know about you Yamaha haters.

I don't know the skill level of all of you, so I won't assume. As for myself, I know how to ride and pretty well, and the only time the weight of a bike matters to me is when I'm lifting it onto a stand. I can twist and carve any bike I'm riding up jump face, a metal ramp, in the air, etc. and place it where I want to land and the same with corner/rut placement. I'm sure I'll be criticized for sounding Toolish by saying all that, but my point is some of you people are morons about your assessment of the YZF450. One would almost think you're talking about an elephant or train or any random immovable object when discussing the bike. We're talking a 16 lb difference (MXA) between YZF and SXF, for reference most high end boots weigh 10 lb

We'll see how well venting on vitard's goes...
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16lbs is a lot of weight, strap a 15lb weight on yourself and go for a run... Have you ever ridden a YZ450 back to back...
16lbs is a lot of weight, strap a 15lb weight on yourself and go for a run...

Have you ever ridden a YZ450 back to back with a new KTM or Honda? The Yamaha feels like a giant slow turning cruise ship.

I do ride, and I have ridden a bunch of different bikes.
Went for that run Bob...

Handled it just fine. Yes I have ridden a 2016 YZf450 back to back with a 2016 SXF450, the KTM is a fine machine but in no way makes the YZ feel slow. If anything the Yamaha feels more stable, easier to lean lower to the ground through those cruise ship turns. The KTM was nimble but finicky in rough sections. Less weight doesn't always mean it's better if it compromises stability and predictability.
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I can see Webb getting a few top 5's
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Seems like Yamaha built a team with Reedy & Coop, & is giving help to damn near everybody else with a pulse (Wilson) just to find somebody that might give them a win on this bike! So far, it ain't looking good.
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Its not the bike.
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Funny how fast yall forget about Musquin's first couple of races on the 450..Cooper's smart just watch Wink
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Not that it means anything. I was in the tunnel at A-1 with Coop and a few friends standing close by in conversation. He had a very nervous look in my opinion. He definitely was not relaxed and at ease.
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BHamilton135 wrote:
Funny how fast yall forget about Musquin's first couple of races on the 450..Cooper's smart just watch Wink
I agree. He'll be just fine. He'll have top 5's before the end of the season if he can avoid injury. Probably sooner than later.
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cmotodad wrote:
Not that it means anything. I was in the tunnel at A-1 with Coop and a few friends standing close by in conversation. He had a...
Not that it means anything. I was in the tunnel at A-1 with Coop and a few friends standing close by in conversation. He had a very nervous look in my opinion. He definitely was not relaxed and at ease.
He had to be. He possibly received more attention this week than at any time in his career. First time lining up against the top Supercross racers in the world. He'll settle in and have several better results this season imo.
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p0wn wrote:
Cooper looked too small to be on that bike. Yamaha's 450 bike suits a different body type.
Exactly what the Mrs. said. I hope we get to see some different results as the series moves on. Pretty bummed with the business as usual feel to the 450 main.
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Crush wrote:
Was just thinking about how ironic it is, When that bike was built it was all about mass centralization etc... It's now known as one of...
Was just thinking about how ironic it is,

When that bike was built it was all about mass centralization etc...

It's now known as one of the heaviest hardest to handle bikes made. Who gives a fuck bout the engine either when 3 other 450s match it and turn like 250s comparitively.

Interesting to see what they do now, new bike next year!!!
Mx286 wrote:
Have you actually rode the bike? It cracks me up how many people bash the YZ but have never ridden one. Yea the 10-13's were bad...
Have you actually rode the bike? It cracks me up how many people bash the YZ but have never ridden one. Yea the 10-13's were bad but the new ones are great bikes. Handles perfectly fine, has the motor, and suspension.

With Factory Yamaha I would like to think they could make a great bike in stock form a lot better with their resources.
I have .... Rode a 2015 Im 6'3 and did not like it with regards to handling, the engine was phenomenal! The bike does feel very big and tall especially when going in a straight line and as soon as you want to initiate a turn is where the bike gets all wonky imo. It fought being laid over in a turn for a split second which was long enough to notice and throw off my concentration and immediately after that initial fight the bike would drop into a turn. And felt like it kept wanting to fall into the turn whereas I had to make some corrections mid turn to keep things going. It should be noted that this bike had a very high end pro circuit suspension setup on it with linkage dogbones as well I believe. I was coming off a yz250 2 stroke so that may have exaggerated some of its ill nasty habits but to me clearly it felt different than any other 450 and I've ridden a lot of them.
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Jarrod458 wrote:
Enough said haha [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/08/168034/s1200_IMG_0271.jpg[/img]
Enough said haha

OMG what a profound picture bro!!!! I really want Webb to do good and live up to his own expectations!! But that bike has me worried as he doesn't look the same and we've ridden them as well but not at his level obviously and have gone back to KTM. If I remember correctly when he was at his first des Nations he looked like a lion chasing a dam gazelle but this past year was 180 degree opposite. Maybe it's just me....I sure hope he does well I like the kids fire and to see a bike sway his future is horrible.
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YamaLink wrote:
Regarding Emig and RC's comments on rookie seasons, RC sure put Jeff in his place, ha! Didn't throw him under the bus like Taft did Davalos...
Regarding Emig and RC's comments on rookie seasons, RC sure put Jeff in his place, ha! Didn't throw him under the bus like Taft did Davalos, but it was still surprising.
that was funny! had to rewind it there, rc's still got the fire!

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Jarrod458 wrote:
Enough said haha [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/08/168034/s1200_IMG_0271.jpg[/img]
Enough said haha

Bramlett321 wrote:
OMG what a profound picture bro!!!! I really want Webb to do good and live up to his own expectations!! But that bike has me worried...
OMG what a profound picture bro!!!! I really want Webb to do good and live up to his own expectations!! But that bike has me worried as he doesn't look the same and we've ridden them as well but not at his level obviously and have gone back to KTM. If I remember correctly when he was at his first des Nations he looked like a lion chasing a dam gazelle but this past year was 180 degree opposite. Maybe it's just me....I sure hope he does well I like the kids fire and to see a bike sway his future is horrible.
That's funny! I had a Cannondale MX400 and two X 440s. Bar none the heaviest bikes I have ever jumped. I believe the Cannondale was 280 or something ridiculous like that? You could literally feel the bike sinking in the air.
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aroark247 wrote:
If KR94 was on a YZ he still would have been my pick last night. As he would be for most rational people- which tells you...
If KR94 was on a YZ he still would have been my pick last night. As he would be for most rational people- which tells you all you need to know about you Yamaha haters.

I don't know the skill level of all of you, so I won't assume. As for myself, I know how to ride and pretty well, and the only time the weight of a bike matters to me is when I'm lifting it onto a stand. I can twist and carve any bike I'm riding up jump face, a metal ramp, in the air, etc. and place it where I want to land and the same with corner/rut placement. I'm sure I'll be criticized for sounding Toolish by saying all that, but my point is some of you people are morons about your assessment of the YZF450. One would almost think you're talking about an elephant or train or any random immovable object when discussing the bike. We're talking a 16 lb difference (MXA) between YZF and SXF, for reference most high end boots weigh 10 lb

We'll see how well venting on vitard's goes...
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16lbs is a lot of weight, strap a 15lb weight on yourself and go for a run... Have you ever ridden a YZ450 back to back...
16lbs is a lot of weight, strap a 15lb weight on yourself and go for a run...

Have you ever ridden a YZ450 back to back with a new KTM or Honda? The Yamaha feels like a giant slow turning cruise ship.

I do ride, and I have ridden a bunch of different bikes.
I rode my 14 yz450 back to back with a 17 crf450 on new years day. My yz was way better in the faster rough stuff, where the crf got quite a bit of head shake. The crf, like a typical Honda, turned better and I would have expected anything different. Honestly, I felt like the new Honda was a better turning version of the 12 KX450. Same sound and feel between my legs, just not as stable and turned better than the kx. Obviously, the Yamaha isn't the greatest turning bike out there, but its damn stable in a straight line and over big breaking bumps and small chop. I would still choose my yz all day long. The motor and handling are awesome. Enzo just did my suspension a few weeks back and it made the bike handle even better. Also helped the turning with the lowering plate they put in.

The bikes now are all so damn good. Roczen or Dungey could win on any of them. They could probably even win on a TM. It's more of the rider than it is the bike.
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Webb wont get a win this year. He will get a podium before end of season, maybe a semi win,

I think the only win on a yamaha will be Reed and thats if he still has a little magic in his bag
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If the bike is that bad, Reed would say so, he's never held back and is known to be the most picky rider out there. It's easy as a fan to hit the panic button after a race like that, but we have to give him some time, no one seems to want to give him any time, to settle down and get his setup right.

He pretty much said in the post race interview that it was nerves and setup and that they knew what they needed to do moving forward. I would be surprised if he placed the same this coming weekend, I fully expect him to move forward and not be struggling with guys like Bogle, weimer and Grant.

If he never does come to terms with the bike, he will end up somewhere else, just like all great riders do. That's a ways off though, if ever.

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kiwifan wrote:
I bet everyone here a million dollars that Yamaha will get a win, never ever judge a bikes potential to win after one round in SX....the...
I bet everyone here a million dollars that Yamaha will get a win, never ever judge a bikes potential to win after one round in SX....the bike isnt as bad as people are making out....so much hate for brands and riders these days its unbelievable.
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I'm not judging by one race... Where did you come up with that? I'm judging by years of Yamaha 450 not getting a win.... this whole...
I'm not judging by one race... Where did you come up with that? I'm judging by years of Yamaha 450 not getting a win.... this whole new generation Yamaha 450 never got a AMA win.
When are you defining this "new generation"? I think most people consider it as starting in 2010.

And there have been AMA wins since then......
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Reed will beat cooper most races they both finish this year. I like cooper but this what I think and I know its not a common opinion.
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markit wrote:
Gezzzzzz, give the kid a chance. lol he was in the top ten pretty good IMO.
Yeah... not the Cooper Webb we had hoped for but when he finds his groove look out!
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markit wrote:
Gezzzzzz, give the kid a chance. lol he was in the top ten pretty good IMO.
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Yeah... not the Cooper Webb we had hoped for but when he finds his groove look out!
YOU WERE ALL WRONG! ALL OF YOU! HE SUCKS!

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1. It's the bike.
2. The Yamaha is no good for SX.
3. It's too heavy.
4. All of the above.
5. Most of you are sub-Vitard.

I'm going with number 5.
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He would have been faster on 250f.
Im going with number 4.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
You guys are funny. None of you guys probably even ride dirtbikes, let alone the current gen yamahas. And no, I don't own one. I'm a...
You guys are funny.


None of you guys probably even ride dirtbikes, let alone the current gen yamahas.


And no, I don't own one. I'm a honda guy.
some of them are on the couch taking pain meds, out of work, and some of them are "daddy day care" while their wife works. most of them don't ride. some do. some rip. some qualified for the main in Vegas the night the lights went out.
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RCMXracing 1/10/2017 8:13am
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It's never good to start a rider in SX after switching to 450's. Gonna be tough for 'lil Coop to
get comfy on the USS Pacific Princess with top
tier riders with years of 450 experience on an SX track. He will get better but I believe he would be a consistent podium and SX winner if he would have had a year of outdoor 450 racing.

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