Got to love Hannah. lol

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hellion 11/9/2015 2:06pm
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The last old codger to talk shit like this was Greg Lemond. Ha ha, he had no idea what he was talking about......oh, wait.
And there it is! I hated it when Lemond said such things, but now wish I paid closer attention.

And anyone in here who thinks Hannah wouldn't be fast now is an idiot. Also, people who think he couldn't jump are equally out of touch. He got old, and began to dislike jumping. But when he was younger he wasn't afraid to jump anything. I raced in a national at Broome Tioga that Bob was also in. He was old at the time and I was young. My speed would never compare, so don't think I'm going there. But, there was this huge table top with a squared off back side and ruts up the face. I think I got a better start than him, but I hadn't jumped that jump yet and I wasn't about to start. Bob floated over my head, downsided it and was gone.

There is no answer for the ignorance of youth but time.
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Wow, this thread went from 1 page the other day to 9 like a rocket!

I will say that Bob is very connected to the sport today and knows a lot more about whats going on than some give him credit for. He is very tight with Keith McCarty and many others at Yamaha so I'm not sure how much more connected you could really get other than being currently working with the factory team.

The other thing is to read or hear what Bob says about anything you really need to know the guy. He loves to bust balls and get people riled up. That is one thing that made him so bad ass. Think about it, the guy went around talking shit on everyone and then backed it up. Nothing pisses people off more than a guy spouting off about you and then not being able to shut him up. That was and still is Bob Hannah. Other than Kenny Roberts, I have never seen anyone like the guy.
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machine 11/9/2015 5:18pm
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Clearly C class speed. Imagine if they had todays suspenion, tires and groomed tracks, they may even have had B class speed..Whistling

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project racer 11/9/2015 6:45pm
11/9/2015 6:45pm
Funny how the tracks of old hardly ever saw any grooming, yet today, tractors seem to work all during the event.

The old guard had to deal with shitty tracks, with equally shitty suspension.

Today, we have freeway runs up to the big jumps, planned whoop sections, and Cadillac suspension.

Surely the lap times for those old farts would have been faster if they could have gotten the old Allis -Chalmers fired up to make some freeway runs and some 89mm FWB forks and a BBC rear shock for those clunkers they used to ride.

Those old dudes sucked.

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zehn 11/9/2015 6:51pm
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project racer wrote:
Funny how the tracks of old hardly ever saw any grooming, yet today, tractors seem to work all during the event. The old guard had to...
Funny how the tracks of old hardly ever saw any grooming, yet today, tractors seem to work all during the event.

The old guard had to deal with shitty tracks, with equally shitty suspension.

Today, we have freeway runs up to the big jumps, planned whoop sections, and Cadillac suspension.

Surely the lap times for those old farts would have been faster if they could have gotten the old Allis -Chalmers fired up to make some freeway runs and some 89mm FWB forks and a BBC rear shock for those clunkers they used to ride.

Those old dudes sucked.

Did you happen to watch the Thunder Valley National this past year? Did that look like a freeway to you?
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vetmxr 11/9/2015 7:04pm
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There is no way in my opinion that the top guys from the 70's 80's and 90's wouldn't be top guys today.....I can't help but think that anyone that says hannah, or RJ, or Omara, or any top guy from earlier era's couldn't hang today has truly not seen those animals ride when in their prime....Hannah would either be at the front or die trying to get there....same as the champions of today. Like what was said earlier, you can't teach someone to be a champion, they are born a little differently than the rest.

I asked a really fast dude that I rode with one day in the woods where he gets the fortitude to haul ass that fast through trees and foreign terrain. He told me " I cannot internally accept losing, and I'm not afraid to get hurt trying to win"....... I always assummed I thought that way too, but reality proved to me otherwise.....That being said, in my opinion, put RJ or Hannah in their prime on todays bikes and they'd be champs. They had what it takes for sure.

In 30 years this generation will have to stand up for RC"s speed because the new kids will only know what they've seen with their own eyes.....(which ain't much)
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zehn 11/9/2015 7:21pm
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No doubt those guys could excel outdoors, once they got used to the huge jumps. Could they still excel at SX? It's hard to say, although its hard to deny that they had the natural talent.

Just look at Jeremy Martin. He's an incredible MX rider, but has yet to set the world on fire indoors.
Aceofspades 11/9/2015 7:35pm
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Watch the 86 250 usgp on YouTube and tell me Hannah and Omara are "not going fast" lol. One of my biggest complaints with outdoor mx today is that the don't LOOK like they're going as fast as the 2 stroke bikes used to run outdoors. We know that's not true, but speed is sometimes very deceptive on the tv. Too bad we didn't have vital in the 80's, because we all could've not wasted our time watching slow ass riders like Hannah, Omara, and Johnson lol. We would only know the glory of today's riders tackling sweeping corners on their loud, farty, twice-the-cc-to-make-similar-power wonderbikes. We were suckers. Thanks for nothing, past champions!
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zehn wrote:
No doubt those guys could excel outdoors, once they got used to the huge jumps. Could they still excel at SX? It's hard to say, although...
No doubt those guys could excel outdoors, once they got used to the huge jumps. Could they still excel at SX? It's hard to say, although its hard to deny that they had the natural talent.

Just look at Jeremy Martin. He's an incredible MX rider, but has yet to set the world on fire indoors.
Hannah won 3 straight SX championships, I think he may be able to handle it.
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zehn 11/9/2015 7:50pm
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Hannah won 3 straight SX championships, I think he may be able to handle it.
I know that, but that was on very different tracks, on very different bikes, using very different techniques.
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newmann 11/9/2015 7:57pm
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jock wrote:
Hannah won 3 straight SX championships, I think he may be able to handle it.
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I know that, but that was on very different tracks, on very different bikes, using very different techniques.
So if RV raced in the 70's and 80's and accomplished greatness and Hannah raced in the 2000's and 2010's and also accomplished greatness then RV would no longer be relevant and Hannah would be King? Okay.
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newmann wrote:
So if RV raced in the 70's and 80's and accomplished greatness and Hannah raced in the 2000's and 2010's and also accomplished greatness then RV...
So if RV raced in the 70's and 80's and accomplished greatness and Hannah raced in the 2000's and 2010's and also accomplished greatness then RV would no longer be relevant and Hannah would be King? Okay.
depends, would RV do an interview saying that the current riders know nothing about what it takes to win now and definitely doing PEDs?

I'm not saying Hannah wasn't great I'm not saying Hannah wouldn't win now but my opinion is if he was racing now he may soon learn that the methods of old don't quite cut it these days.. It's also my opinion he should not talk shit on the current riders as if he knows everything but I know that's not how Bob Hannah works which makes me not much of a fan of his
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jeffro503 11/9/2015 8:29pm
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Aww fark! Still don't like what Bob said or the way he said it , but I'll eat my crow and take back everything I said negative things about past riders , being irrelevant and so on. BTW , I never said these guys were out of shape , not once did I ever say that , so I'm not sure where that came from.

Some of you who think what he said was cool though , go eat a big one. It wasn't cool at all and uncalled for. I will also guarantee that all the newer generation riders would disagree with it as well. But so be it.
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Thank God common sense has finally prevailed in this thread. I spent too much of my weekend feeling like Custer dodging arrows at the Little Bighorn with Jeffro503 doing an imitation of Sitting Bull. Of course I know I wasn't the only one standing up for the legends of yesteryear but for a while there It felt like it, lol! However, it looks like the tide has finally turned, thanks to those of you who know the truth. "Riding at the pace of a trail ride" or "couldn't win a C class race today"... Sheesh, give me a freaking break! Whistling
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OW38B 11/9/2015 8:51pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Aww fark! Still don't like what Bob said or the way he said it , but I'll eat my crow and take back everything I said...
Aww fark! Still don't like what Bob said or the way he said it , but I'll eat my crow and take back everything I said negative things about past riders , being irrelevant and so on. BTW , I never said these guys were out of shape , not once did I ever say that , so I'm not sure where that came from.

Some of you who think what he said was cool though , go eat a big one. It wasn't cool at all and uncalled for. I will also guarantee that all the newer generation riders would disagree with it as well. But so be it.
Don't ever forget................Grinning




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zehn 11/9/2015 8:54pm
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newmann wrote:
So if RV raced in the 70's and 80's and accomplished greatness and Hannah raced in the 2000's and 2010's and also accomplished greatness then RV...
So if RV raced in the 70's and 80's and accomplished greatness and Hannah raced in the 2000's and 2010's and also accomplished greatness then RV would no longer be relevant and Hannah would be King? Okay.
There's this thing called putting words in other peoples' mouths. You are engaging in it.

My point is that the riding style now is very different to what it was then, and while we can assume that Hannah would do very well in modern racing (assuming he learned that style), we can't prove it.
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blackdiamond 11/9/2015 8:59pm
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You don't pay 250k for the gear, you pay to pass the tests
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You're onto something here !
BINGO. Watch the "Armstrong Lie" documentary and it will all make sense.

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jeffro503 wrote:
Aww fark! Still don't like what Bob said or the way he said it , but I'll eat my crow and take back everything I said...
Aww fark! Still don't like what Bob said or the way he said it , but I'll eat my crow and take back everything I said negative things about past riders , being irrelevant and so on. BTW , I never said these guys were out of shape , not once did I ever say that , so I'm not sure where that came from.

Some of you who think what he said was cool though , go eat a big one. It wasn't cool at all and uncalled for. I will also guarantee that all the newer generation riders would disagree with it as well. But so be it.
Of course the newer generation would disagree, their a bunch of lazy dopersTongue just kidding man. I have mad respect for these guys that can do what I cant. That's why I still pay $50 to watch a national.

You got to give it to Hannah though, he can tell it straight, honest, uncensored, and be full of shit at the same time. And at the end of the day he's probably got it about right.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Aww fark! Still don't like what Bob said or the way he said it , but I'll eat my crow and take back everything I said...
Aww fark! Still don't like what Bob said or the way he said it , but I'll eat my crow and take back everything I said negative things about past riders , being irrelevant and so on. BTW , I never said these guys were out of shape , not once did I ever say that , so I'm not sure where that came from.

Some of you who think what he said was cool though , go eat a big one. It wasn't cool at all and uncalled for. I will also guarantee that all the newer generation riders would disagree with it as well. But so be it.
I think what you felt is exactly what Bob's competitors felt back in the day. He was great at the mind games and has never let up. He is kind of like your Father that has gotten old and says some stupid shit, but instead of you arguing, you accept that he is older and will never change his mind so no need to go down that road. For normal day to day living, I'm sure Bob would be hard to be around very much, but in the 70's and 80's moto world, his attitude and brashness were part of his game and it was a strong one at that.
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KC435 11/9/2015 9:52pm
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In related news, Roger DeCoster is still successfully managing the KTM team at 71. How irrelevant he is in today's times has yet to be determined, but a KTM spokeswoman said Roger is always taking refresher courses on riding, racing and bike technology to make sure he doesn't fall behind.
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machine wrote:
Clearly C class speed. Imagine if they had todays suspenion, tires and groomed tracks, they may even have had B class speed..Whistling

Nice video find! Yeah, those old guys were definitely C class. Oh wait, it was in slow motion : ) !
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Frodad78 11/10/2015 6:07am
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I scratch my head when people compare the Pros of yesterday to C class riders. Someone mentioned how TV does nothing for the speed these guys are carrying and I think thats a big part of it.

I remember back in the 90s watching Steve Lamson on a 125 at Unadilla. It was one of my first nationals I had been to since I started racing and I was completely blown away by the speed these guys were carrying on 125s in person. A few years later I got to race the AM day at Dilla and had even more respect for the Pros! It was like a warzone of holes and bumps out there. So much respect for those guys and the things they did on bikes that were harder to ride and under powered compared to modern 4 strokes.

I still think of Lammy in the back section of Dilla. Standing the whole way through a rutted sloppy straight just pinned and floating. Still amazes me.
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There's a reason why the vet gates are more full than the schoolboy gates these days.
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Mini Elsinore 11/10/2015 7:10am
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Bob, is that you I see posting in this thread.....?
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DR: Speaking of training, what do you think of modern training programs with nutritionists, riding coaches, fitness trainers and so on? BH: It’s all BS, if...
DR: Speaking of training, what do you think of modern training programs with nutritionists, riding coaches, fitness trainers and so on?

BH: It’s all BS, if you ask me. You need a nutrition coach? If you are working as hard as you should be working you should be able to eat anything you freakin’ want. That’s bull. A riding coach, for the right guy, that makes since. But does Villopoto - man I got a issue with this - does Villopoto pay a trainer for five years, 250,000 dollars because the stupid guy doesn’t get it the first year, and the second year? Why is he paying him five years later. I got a real problem with that. I have my reasoning with why he pays him, and it’s not how to ride a motorcycle or what he eats. I don’t know, but maybe he sells him some stuff that other people don’t have the opportunity to buy. I think some of these guys are taking some stuff that they shouldn’t be taking. And a few people are getting busted right now. So, if they want to take substances that are illegal, boot their butts out. I got no patience for that. I ride a lot of bicycles and I really have no patience for that. The drug industry in cycling is just out of control, in the whole sports industry it’s out of hand, but in the bicycles it’s really out of hand. I watch all big bicycle racing, I watch all the tours in Europe. But if you don’t like doping might as well just shut it off. Because everyone in there is a dope head. It’s sad because I got dopers racing me in Boise, Idaho, in the 50 plus class.


http://www.dirtrider.com/dropping-in-on-bob-hannah
You have a real problem with how much someone you dont know pays another person you dont kbow in his job you have notjing yo do with?
I wish I had your set of problems in life
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dak446 11/10/2015 8:51am
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I think the title says it all. We've all got an old, grumpy, pessimistic, perhaps slightly perverted grandpa (or uncle) who isn't quite right in the head, but you gotta love 'em. They're entertaining and not afraid to speak their mind, especially around the holidays.
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68 wrote:
You don't pay 250k for the gear, you pay to pass the tests
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You're onto something here !
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BINGO. Watch the "Armstrong Lie" documentary and it will all make sense.
68 knows what's up.
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fidiot 11/10/2015 12:55pm
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68 wrote:
You don't pay 250k for the gear, you pay to pass the tests
h&m_cycle wrote:
Yeah... Yeah... People don't want to hear that shit because it's the truth... [b]How many of the tier one riders are 100% clean?...[/b] How many Top...
Yeah... Yeah... People don't want to hear that shit because it's the truth... How many of the tier one riders are 100% clean?...

How many Top Tier Two riders would to be willing to take something, "that if instructions were followed", would go
non detected? Even it says caution "may take 10 years off your life?"...

Why the hell did Poto pay 250k for a trainer? He got that kind of money to throw away? He made MLB or NFL money?...

Don't think he was really singling out Poto either... He's talking about 50 year old bike racers too...
Potto paid $250k a year for his trainer because he HATED to train and needed someone to kick his ass every day.

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