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NorCal1975 wrote:
Seems like with Kitchens crappy starts it would make more sense to put him on the 450.  Hymas could probably get a halfway decent start on...

Seems like with Kitchens crappy starts it would make more sense to put him on the 450.  Hymas could probably get a halfway decent start on a 250, that does not seem to be the case for Kitchen.  Kind of odd, but hey, I am just glad we have a team!  

If this is true though (Webb, Hymas and Kitchen), I say good huge kudos to Webb for stepping up.  He surprised last time at Matterley Basin on the 250.  And what would he have, just a couple of rides on the Husky before the qualifying motos on Saturday?   Wow!!!!  Cool opportunity for Hymas and Kitchen, and both have showed good speed recently.  

Think about it; Kawi don’t support the event and pro circuit only has a 250, meanwhile Honda does support the event and have a winning 450.
I also suspect Hymas must ride the 450 a bit and be fast on it, or they probably wouldn’t have ended up at this option. Either way, good luck to them.

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Robgvx wrote:
But only if we’re paid…And guaranteed to win…

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But only if we’re paid…

And guaranteed to win…

You're painting the whole team with speculation about one rider, good job

 

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8/28/2026 7:28am
ksithumper wrote:

Kay de Wolf interview with Gatedrop:

"One thing is certain. I'll fight for my country. I'll show up at 110% and fight for the flag".

mavrick121 wrote:
In the United States, patriotism has been turned into a commodity that can be bought and sold, often to signify political affiliation. The meaning of national...

In the United States, patriotism has been turned into a commodity that can be bought and sold, often to signify political affiliation. The meaning of national pride is lost on most of this country, and especially on Gen Z and the generation after them. I say this as a Gen Z-er and a USMC veteran.

De Wolf's comment here, compared to Deegan's attitude and masturbatory flag waving, reminds me of a JFK quote. "Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country,". I know this is going pretty deep for a reaction to a motocross race, but it feels relevant.

Unfortunately, without Deegan, we will not win.  And who do we have to thank for that?  Star Yamaha.  Deegan's  gotta do what his bosses say.

Unfortunately, without Deegan, we will not win.  And who do we have to thank for that?  Star Yamaha.  Deegan's  gotta do what his bosses say.

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Next year is in the sand. It's 100% certain Dodgerboy won't be there. Again.

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CPR wrote:
Think about it; Kawi don’t support the event and pro circuit only has a 250, meanwhile Honda does support the event and have a winning 450.I...

Think about it; Kawi don’t support the event and pro circuit only has a 250, meanwhile Honda does support the event and have a winning 450.
I also suspect Hymas must ride the 450 a bit and be fast on it, or they probably wouldn’t have ended up at this option. Either way, good luck to them.

Chance has experience racing off road on 450s. He did a lot of NGPC and WORCS races before he officially turned pro. 
 

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8/28/2026 7:47am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2026 8:23am
I'd pick Eli on a 450 over Chance every day.  Yes, I get he's been slow getting back up to his usual pace.He IS Eli Tomac...

I'd pick Eli on a 450 over Chance every day.  Yes, I get he's been slow getting back up to his usual pace.

He IS Eli Tomac though.

I have to think they asked him and he said no. I have a hard time believing they would have Hymas on a 450 before even asking Eli. Besides, even if Eli wanted to go but wasn’t asked he knows who to talk to make it happen, and I’m sure they would gladly take him up on it if he did offer.

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Next year is in the sand. It's 100% certain Dodgerboy won't be there. Again.

In 2028 he will race,stamp it.

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8/28/2026 8:00am
Bonanza69 wrote:

In 2028 he will race,stamp it.

How so? You paying him?

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For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. 

Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or even badder than he has this summer. 

In his mind he was going to kick ass on MX and for sure if he would be 1st in the championship beating both lawrence´s he would be eager and confident to go to MXoN. 

Thats my take and opinion, could be wrong for sure but makes sense. 

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8/28/2026 9:35am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2026 9:41am
Bonanza69 wrote:

In 2028 he will race,stamp it.

ksithumper wrote:

How so? You paying him?

No need,he‘s on home soil like last year,captain america will show up.

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Loading a bike in the back of a box van and traveling a few hundred kilometers is much different than taking an entire team across the...

Loading a bike in the back of a box van and traveling a few hundred kilometers is much different than taking an entire team across the ocean to compete at the MXoN.  The days of two-strokes, box vans and small teams are over, and the logistics are astounding and much different.  I'm surprised Rob doesn't see that.  

While I respect what Rob did, It's unlikely he would have done the same in this day and age had he lived almost 6,000 kilometers away.

But why take a team.  1 mechanic per rider🤷‍♂️

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I didn't mention anything about money in my reply. It's not just about $$, though that is a part of it. The entire logistics is different...

I didn't mention anything about money in my reply. It's not just about $$, though that is a part of it. The entire logistics is different; they are world's apart from what it took in 1985 and what it takes now. Rob went out and bought a used 125 and hustled over a few hundred kilometers for the chance of a lifetime.  It's an awesome story, but in this day and age to be competitive at that event, testing needs to be done for suspension, dyno, fuel, etc. bikes need to be shipped (they are not going to ship just one bike across the world and have it break so the entire trip is a bust), team members need to be there. 

The racing season ends in September, and that only gives our guys very little time for resting, doing testing, and getting over there before the event. Haiden can't just go out and buy a used YZF450, put in the back off truck and catch a ride on a Carnival Cruise to make the des Nations.  This is where the Europeans have a huge advantage: No SMX, testing already done because it's a track they have ridden plenty of times, easier for teams and personnel to get to event, etc.  Star decided against it.  The Hunter brothers decided against it, and other teams and riders have decided against it. Tomac opted out in 2016 and Kawasaki said no in 2019, citing the same reasons Star is for not going.

Those are the facts, and despite that, USA sends a team almost every year as they should.  But to think that Rob's story is in any way relevant or comparable to getting to the event today is laughable.  
It's comparing apples to oranges.





 

yak651 wrote:

lol, it’s ALL about money. That’s why your boy won’t go, he’s not getting paid 

Wolverine wrote:
100% shouldn't go and neither should anyone else without a pay check.  Why is it lost on folks here that this is a for-profit event off...

100% shouldn't go and neither should anyone else without a pay check.  Why is it lost on folks here that this is a for-profit event off which IF makes $$$$?  Absent the US and Australia (exception Prado) this is just another GP with riders organized in teams. 

Oh how the cultural zeitgeist shifts. 10 years ago it was all

“ who cares if your not getting paid, do it for national pride”

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Pakoyz250f wrote:
For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or...

For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. 

Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or even badder than he has this summer. 

In his mind he was going to kick ass on MX and for sure if he would be 1st in the championship beating both lawrence´s he would be eager and confident to go to MXoN. 

Thats my take and opinion, could be wrong for sure but makes sense. 

He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. 

People like to think it’s the most talent heavy race of the year but it’s simply not true.  It’s the most ‘convince three riders from your nation to go represent your country once a year race”.

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Pakoyz250f wrote:
For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or...

For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. 

Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or even badder than he has this summer. 

In his mind he was going to kick ass on MX and for sure if he would be 1st in the championship beating both lawrence´s he would be eager and confident to go to MXoN. 

Thats my take and opinion, could be wrong for sure but makes sense. 

soggy wrote:
He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. People like to...

He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. 

People like to think it’s the most talent heavy race of the year but it’s simply not true.  It’s the most ‘convince three riders from your nation to go represent your country once a year race”.

I’d say the US is the only country that has to do a lot convincing.

What other race has all (or almost all) the best riders together?  Who doesn’t regularly go that should?

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Pakoyz250f wrote:
For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or...

For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. 

Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or even badder than he has this summer. 

In his mind he was going to kick ass on MX and for sure if he would be 1st in the championship beating both lawrence´s he would be eager and confident to go to MXoN. 

Thats my take and opinion, could be wrong for sure but makes sense. 

soggy wrote:
He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. People like to...

He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. 

People like to think it’s the most talent heavy race of the year but it’s simply not true.  It’s the most ‘convince three riders from your nation to go represent your country once a year race”.

ando wrote:
I’d say the US is the only country that has to do a lot convincing.What other race has all (or almost all) the best riders together...

I’d say the US is the only country that has to do a lot convincing.

What other race has all (or almost all) the best riders together?  Who doesn’t regularly go that should?

The way the fans are about this event, the zero purse from in front, and the risk of injury at the worst possible time I don't blame riders for opting out. This is a circus with no winners. 

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soggy wrote:
He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. People like to...

He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. 

People like to think it’s the most talent heavy race of the year but it’s simply not true.  It’s the most ‘convince three riders from your nation to go represent your country once a year race”.

ando wrote:
I’d say the US is the only country that has to do a lot convincing.What other race has all (or almost all) the best riders together...

I’d say the US is the only country that has to do a lot convincing.

What other race has all (or almost all) the best riders together?  Who doesn’t regularly go that should?

chasetwo79 wrote:
The way the fans are about this event, the zero purse from in front, and the risk of injury at the worst possible time I don't...

The way the fans are about this event, the zero purse from in front, and the risk of injury at the worst possible time I don't blame riders for opting out. This is a circus with no winners. 

Again, a very US centric set of circumstances.

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Kawasaki pulled the plug on Marchbanks going. So Kawi USA still sucks ass.Rumor is Webb will take his spot on a Husky. I just can't see...

Kawasaki pulled the plug on Marchbanks going. So Kawi USA still sucks ass.

Rumor is Webb will take his spot on a Husky. I just can't see that though as he will have no time on the bike. I bet Eli goes and then calls it a career

h20 wrote:

DAMMIT.

This was their redemption to participate in MXON in my opinion!  

Bad look after Prado & Sexton situations!  Damn.  

OH! EXACTELY!They could have . in one SIMPLE MOVE erased years of bad will against Kawi US by just supporting ONE RIDER in Marchbanks at this...

OH! EXACTELY!

They could have . in one SIMPLE MOVE erased years of bad will against Kawi US by just supporting ONE RIDER in Marchbanks at this years MXdN!

Gone!!! is the memory of not allowing Tomac and Cinciarulo to race MXdN....Gone!!! is the Prado and Sexton fiasco!

Americans are forgiving! Just support Garret! and it would have erased years off the bad image for Kawasaki USA. 

But no!!!  Stuborness shale prevail! Damn reading the room for social media ques! We will continue to do the wrong thing at Kawasaki USA forever!!!!

Have many MXON have Team USA won without Kawasaki? 

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Pakoyz250f wrote:
For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or...

For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. 

Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or even badder than he has this summer. 

In his mind he was going to kick ass on MX and for sure if he would be 1st in the championship beating both lawrence´s he would be eager and confident to go to MXoN. 

Thats my take and opinion, could be wrong for sure but makes sense. 

soggy wrote:
He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. People like to...

He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. 

People like to think it’s the most talent heavy race of the year but it’s simply not true.  It’s the most ‘convince three riders from your nation to go represent your country once a year race”.

It’s usually the best from European MXGP vs American Pro Motocross but this year won’t represent that without Lawrence’s and Coenen’s.

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Pakoyz250f wrote:
For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or...

For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. 

Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or even badder than he has this summer. 

In his mind he was going to kick ass on MX and for sure if he would be 1st in the championship beating both lawrence´s he would be eager and confident to go to MXoN. 

Thats my take and opinion, could be wrong for sure but makes sense. 

This is why I wanted to see Deegan go on a 250.  He was dominating everyone, I wanted to see if he could do what ONLY Villopoto has done.  Beat everyone at MXON on a 250f.  Now that Haiden is a learning 450 rider it’s not the same sending him.  Even though he’s the best American he’s still a 450 rookie.   

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Robgvx wrote:
But only if we’re paid…And guaranteed to win…

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But only if we’re paid…

And guaranteed to win…

Apparently not beyond one guy.  

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8/28/2026 6:02pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2026 6:04pm

big opportunity for Chance to show his stuff on a 4fiddy...........hope he kills it ala sushi!

 

i can also see kitchen being on the podium in 250 so USA may actually podium this year?

no lawrence's means all the other teams move up at least one place regardless.

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h20 wrote:

It’s usually the best from European MXGP vs American Pro Motocross but this year won’t represent that without Lawrence’s and Coenen’s.

Where is your source that the Coenens aren't racing? 😅

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I thought Lewis' interview of Deegs today was great.  I can't stand the entire Deegan clan, but he articulated it pretty well.  He doesn't need start money, but the teams need to be paid by InFront on a graduated scale based on travel distance.   A stipend out of the millions that those Luongo clowns are raking in on MXdN is reasonable. It's nuts that manufacturers and riders/national federations have eaten the cost for as long as they have (or at least since Gueseppe signed his 20+ year deal to run the GPs.

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Genuine question: does Feld or MX Sports cover travel costs for anyone racing AMA races?

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CPR wrote:

Genuine question: does Feld or MX Sports cover travel costs for anyone racing AMA races?

I’ve asked this another way asking if they pay the teams purse money and didn’t get a response from DonM so I’m assuming NO

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chasetwo79 wrote:
The way the fans are about this event, the zero purse from in front, and the risk of injury at the worst possible time I don't...

The way the fans are about this event, the zero purse from in front, and the risk of injury at the worst possible time I don't blame riders for opting out. This is a circus with no winners. 

Webb, Hymas, and Kitchen are the winners with American fans no matter the outcome. It’s a PR win/win for them personally and ALL their sponsors. 

The Deegans will always be remembered as a stain on the industry. Daddy’s little revenge tour (Haiden) taints their every decision. Nobody wanted the 90 pound fake angry all the time tramp stamp having wanna be gangsta rapper persona back in the day so now he is going to make the industry pay using his son as a weapon. 

Like it or not the MXdN is the ultimate MX industry race worldwide so the Deegandashian’s are trying to sabotage it.

Let’s hope their rein of terror is brief. Sad a sport and industry that has given them every single dollar they have is their enemy. 

 

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8/29/2026 2:10am Edited Date/Time 8/29/2026 5:06am
CPR wrote:

Genuine question: does Feld or MX Sports cover travel costs for anyone racing AMA races?

Hell no

This entire premise is a smokescreen for the Deegandashian’s to avoid the MXDN. 

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CPR wrote:

Genuine question: does Feld or MX Sports cover travel costs for anyone racing AMA races?

No.  It’s a bit of an inconvenient truth.  People demanding that the promoter help with travel costs when so such concept exists in the US MX/SX series.

 

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ando wrote:
I’d say the US is the only country that has to do a lot convincing.What other race has all (or almost all) the best riders together...

I’d say the US is the only country that has to do a lot convincing.

What other race has all (or almost all) the best riders together?  Who doesn’t regularly go that should?

chasetwo79 wrote:
The way the fans are about this event, the zero purse from in front, and the risk of injury at the worst possible time I don't...

The way the fans are about this event, the zero purse from in front, and the risk of injury at the worst possible time I don't blame riders for opting out. This is a circus with no winners. 

ando wrote:

Again, a very US centric set of circumstances.

No, it’s a very Deegandashian centric set of circumstances 

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Pakoyz250f wrote:
For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or...

For Deegan I don´t think is about the money, he has plenty. 

Is more about he being afraid of getting beat by the euros as bad or even badder than he has this summer. 

In his mind he was going to kick ass on MX and for sure if he would be 1st in the championship beating both lawrence´s he would be eager and confident to go to MXoN. 

Thats my take and opinion, could be wrong for sure but makes sense. 

soggy wrote:
He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. People like to...

He’s been getting beat all year. He would actually probably have a better chance of doing well at MXDN with no Lawrence’s this year. 

People like to think it’s the most talent heavy race of the year but it’s simply not true.  It’s the most ‘convince three riders from your nation to go represent your country once a year race”.

ando wrote:
I’d say the US is the only country that has to do a lot convincing.What other race has all (or almost all) the best riders together...

I’d say the US is the only country that has to do a lot convincing.

What other race has all (or almost all) the best riders together?  Who doesn’t regularly go that should?

My point is if you were to actually take the best 80 riders in the world it wouldn’t divide up nicely into 3 per country.  The field is thinned out and usually too heavy. Just like the Olympics. 

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Some of you should go back 10-15 years and read what was being said when guys like Eli didn’t want to go. 

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