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Guys that are not top 450 racers are coming here and getting top 10's and Paul Malin is saying that anyone in the top 5 MXGP 250 class would be winners here in the Nationals. What is your percentage pie for the reasons. The four choices I'm giving are:
- They only ride moto
- They don't ride ultra groomed practice tracks
- They race more often at the amateur level instead of 5 races per year
- Bike set up (Softer more compliant suspension, motor tuned for low revving)
My percentage pie is:
30% Only moto
50% Riding crap tracks
10% racing more often
10% Bike set up
You're basing this off some incorrect assumptions, mainly:
Taking Malin's troll as gospel
and
The fastest stateside rider currently riding with one foot.
Euros are on it Bro…. Team Green is moving to Belgiums as we speak….
I would say 70% is racing way more often from the time they are on 80cc and not relying on training facilities. The other 30% is riding only moto and not being fussy on riding groomed tracks.
I'm a huge fan of Malin, massive respect for what he did as a rider and the broadcast career he has created. But I think he's a little off on that take. You can't use Southwick as a example of Euro's coming and doing well. I know we have other examples from this past weekend at Millville but those a top tier riders.
I had the opportunity to race MX in Germany 73-75. To do it over I would go back to Germany / Europe and do it again! For all the reasons you listed. As for the % analysis I would have to ponder that a bit.
Racing in Europe was an awesome experience as it teaches and promotes skills not particularly balls and who can go the fastest, though that certainly is important!
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40% only moto
20% crap tracks
20% more high caliber amateur racing
20% attitude/heart
Answer…
Less preservatives in their food.
The two fastest guys in the world right now are not euros. It’s Hunter and Jett Lawrence.
But to give your question a little more consideration, I think the two main reasons are the amateur system they have in Europe, and also the fact that they focus solely on outdoors.
Whether anyone likes it or not, more emphasis is placed on Supercross, and our amateur system is unfortunately being ruined by greed. When you look at Supercross tracks today, they are cookie cutter tracks. The guys can replicate them at their compound and they can go out there on the first lap and jump every rhythm section.
Back in the 80s and 90s the Supercross tracks are much different and it honed a riders technical skill much more than the tracks do today.
Worked out well for prado.
Who came to the us after riding/racing and training in Europe.
Where did Hunter and Jett build their base?
So much truth.
With Greg Moss back in Australia.
60% riding tracks that are prepped the same, ripped deep with a ton of water/mulch. Then not riding dry, hardpack or deep, loose beach sand type tracks.. that's a huge part of it.
30% racing less.. focusing on the premier amateur events on the same ripped, corduroy tracks
10% setup and moto only
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Realistically Americans do sx almost 9 months out of the year outside time off and mx for 3 months. Thats pretty disadvantageous no matter how you cut it
Early years Greg Moss, but Heiko klepka heavily influenced their current style. Jett was with Heiko for about three years.
The two fastest guys in the US (and world?) also race Supercross. So it’s not that.
There is a reason all these 30 year old guys are still around. They can still compete, they are also the last generation to RACE and not grow up at training facilities.
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Though the fastest two guys still race SMX, soooo…
All SMX guys would be better at MX if SX didn’t exist and all they did was MX. However, that is pure fantasy and I think fans and racers like SX as well. I know I prefer the variety. If all they want to do in Europe is race MX, that’s fine by me too.
There is a reason all these 30 year old guys are still around. They can still compete. They are also the last generation to RACE and not grow up at training facilities.
If that's you, Sherriff, :salute:
How many times do we have to say - MXGP is different than SX and MX! Why is that so hard to understand?! Guys starting this bs are only looking to stir the pot. Smh 🙄
The brothers started out in the US better at MX than SX after racing in Europe, but they worked to even it out with a good attitude.
Better amateur system. Their kids actually race. A lot.
I'm just a regular guy. RIP to the Sherriff!
These things come and go in cycles as individual talent pops up here and there year in and year out.
I'll answer what advantages I think they have:
50% More diverse track conditions
30% More outdoor seat time / focus
15% Better amateur program
5% Exposure to a wider variety of setup options (no production rule) should help them develop better ability to assess setup.
I didn't read the other replies, some of them could likely convince me otherwise, but this was my initial thoughts.
And I didn't concede they are better. For every Sasha example, we also see the opposite like Prado. It's clearly complicated. US riders would also have some advantages over them.
35% amateur development.
40% tracks.
20% moto.
5% bike.
Americans are in a decade-long slump, is more likely the reason.
Was that a PUN?
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