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Please... It was the most generic era in american motocross history, poto and dungey brought nothing to the sport that rc and js7 didn't and in terms of personality they were just robots. Why do you compare Sacha to RC not to Poto? Was poto or dungey ever a benchmark? You all pretty much ignore them in everyday talk but when I talk shit about them then they are "talents". Obviously they were TALENTS but pretty forgetable as you can see on vital.
Just curious, are you actually serious?
To me, to this day, legit no one had or has a better riding style than Villopoto. I could watch this guy ride all day, never gets old.
And ofc all of these guys set benchmarks
great points
a big part of it is how riders today complain if this isn't how the track looks after the first practice.
Stew, RC, and all those guys raced on tracks that weren't ripped 18 inches deep. When the USA dominated from the 80s into the 90s, tracks weren't prepped anything like this.
I grew up riding hard pack because back then, I guess nobody could afford to truck in thousands of loads of mulch and bring in heavy equipment to rip everything deep. Our tracks were red clay, dusty, rough, and absolutely miserable in the summer heat. It was also a lot cheaper to ride then.
It seems like a lot of today's racers want every track prepped the same way because that's what they grew up racing on. MXGP riders deal with a much wider range of tracks and conditions, and I think that's part of why we aren't pushing to their level. We've become very specialized, and honestly, most of us aren't even exceptional at that one thing.
Cost is another huge part of it. Fewer people can afford to race at all now. There are probably half a dozen more Bubbas and RCs out there sitting in their bedrooms playing video games because that's a lot cheaper than buying a $10,000 bike, a $100,000 hauler, and all the fuel, parts, and supplies it takes to race regularly.
Deegan is probably the guy for a while. Once he fully figures it out, I think he'll give us at least five or six years of great racing. He's an aberration, just like James, RC, MC, Emig, Johnson, Hannah, and others were before him.
It's also pretty entertaining watching him talk shit and then immediately get his ass handed to him. For America's sake, I hope he develops the skills to consistently back up that mouth haha.
What did Cole Davies do different than others on this list between 2024 and now, i think that's something important to analyze. Maybe nothing idk I'm asking. Or maybe he didn't adjust to the LL track.
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You could argue no one has raised the speed bar that much since RC and Stew. So what has anyone else brought to the game? RV stopped being intimidated my Stew in 2012 from the looks of it. Stew was his own worst enemy.
RV was a pretty wild on a bike. His ass end was always sliding around. Awesome to watch, on a MX track on a 450 his style was much more unhinged than Stews.
You don’t think people comparing Sacha to RC has a little bit to do with him being so small?
Seems like we have lost quite a few guys in the last few years to injuries, or they never panned out. Just how the bubble bounces.
Garcia was on fire, as usual! Seems like he has always been riding in Southwick...
When I look at those results, all I see is that many of them struggled to put two motos together, just like now.
Who cares LL is a goofy tiny track . I like small rough tracks but name 1 other track like it. 24 was Janik,s title to loose but he had a bad crash & was banged up real bad.
Our tracks here pro and amateur alike are too fast and too steep. The jump faces need to be laid down, more corners added, safer singles, safer floaters with long forgiving landings.
The injuries are too often and too severe.
Watch Italian practice tracks then watch a US practice track/
One has 18-24 jumps with steep abrupt take offs and landings the other has 4-6 jumps landing uphill or downhill with no consequences.
One is about riding, the other is about flying.
One has you on the ground taking different lines, hopping bumps, playing with the track, the other has you just setting up for or landing from some booter from narnia.
The tracks here have to change.
I don`t know but he recently bought his 92nd rental without borrowing an euro. This is just the rentals, Lewis Phillips said he owns more than that. Translated from Dutch btw.
I take it that You have never raced there have you 😂
Our local track changed into a Euro layout. 1 hill had 4 lanes of floater jumps by the pond the rhythm section was safe. Deep square holes & big rocks made it dangerous though. I had to change my front rim it was all dents inward. It was track since 69 ovr the winter he sold the land . Vintage tracks hv a 80-90,s GP look . And r becoming very popular.
In 2016 when Herlings extended his contract and signed his new 450 multi year deal Pit Beirer said in an interview that contract/money wise Herlings is in a range together with Dungey and Cairoli.
I read that take all the time that those guys come over for money.. The absolute top/championship guys there do NOT have to worry about money. They come to the US because they want to race SX. I'd even argue that Prado now makes less money than in his 2023 and 2024 championship years.
Riders that ride specially for satellite teams or riders that aren't winning/championship level.. they don't make money in MXGP. The gap there between the top guys and midpack riders is absolutely insane, far bigger than in the US. That's why so many riders try to come to the US to race the nationals/SMX finals. But top guys like Kenny back then, Cairoli, Herlings, Gajser, Febvre, Prado or the Coenens now. Money is not an issue for them. You guys can bet your ass that KTM in europe is offering specially the Coenens now similar money to stay in MXGP.
Not to derail the thread, I will. How do you do?
Do you get the fuck out of the left lane? Do you use a turn signal? Do your children? Does everyone in your self untitled world act like you?
Just curious?
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I think it’s worth keeping in perspective, the Lawrence’s are a special talent, and there’s two of them in top form. The focus here is SX, and the Lawrence’s also happen to be damn good at that as well. The last 15 years, US has lost ground in MX and we’ve been debating for years the reasons. SX focus always seems to come up as a reason and I happen to agree it plays a big part.
Pro racers only make up 1% of all racers. There is alot of fast riders in America. 50+ class at Aztalan had 30 on the gate Sunday. I saw a vid of a 60+ rider launching the plateau front wheel high going for it at azzy.
Pit Row
A visual representation of the state of US moto riders.
Flabby, spoilt, entitled...and getting smoked.
Note: Eli is not included in this opinion.
Maybe we should keep paying $200 to park at regional. That works out just fine. Maybe I won’t get sent to ban camp for pointing that out again.
This is referencing our pro riders?
There base contracts are about equal for the tip top GP guys Win bonuses though are not even close not to mention the AMA pays you as well to win. Gear deals are also tied teams often times in Europe, Like with Coenens. Herlings, Gajser, Cairloi have made tens of millions in their careers but the earning potential here (AMA) is well over 2x. With Jett and Deegs later due to their popularity it could be 3x.
AM riders should be sent to Europe to compete in EMX 250 before they go pro in USA. Doing 3/4 races a year doesn't cut it
Yeah, like the Euro's are taught to be hard in their schools...
Will the Deegandashians even race it? They have dodged in every single year of his pro career...wanting start money, etc, etc.
Donger will get a small graze on his finger just before MXDN and say he's 'banged up'. He's not gone three years in a row. The real reasons for this are: doesn't want to go unless the team has a legit chance to win; he won't go unless he gets paid (as you point out).
There's no way the US will win MXDN this year, so Donger is out. The fact it's the 250-year anniversary of the founding of the United States won't mean anything to the 'patriotic' Deegans.
You got a crush on deegan don’t you? You sure think about him an awful lot.
He's so fat and out of shape with that 6th in moto 2 at Southwick for 6th overall. Just stfu already. Do you just get off on being an idiot?
Looks like that's pretty much all he thinks about. That and Brian with plump lips, chubby Cooper Webb and fat guys on dirt bikes. Definitely has a fat boy fetish 🤣
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