96 + 18, what about their technique makes them so smooth and fast?

Watching Hunter catch Prado with a 9 second lead in only 2 laps was pretty incredible. Both Jett and Hunter have incredible burst speed when they need it.. and when they are cruising to maintain energy they are still pulling away from the field. 

What about their technique allows them to be so fluid and quick on the track?  It's not just the Lawrence's other European riders are incredibly fast and have been for at least the past decade. 

What are they doing that our homegrown riders are not? I hear how a lot of our guys ride more aggressively, and this wears them out faster. Not sure that answers all the questions however! 

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They concentrate on going fast, rather than trying to sound like they are going fast . 

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philG wrote:

They concentrate on going fast, rather than trying to sound like they are going fast . 

ure delusional if u really think that is the case lmao
the pros are all aliens they aint no local training hero trying to look fast but not actually being fast

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Watching Hunter catch Prado with a 9 second lead in only 2 laps was pretty incredible. Both Jett and Hunter have incredible burst speed when they...

Watching Hunter catch Prado with a 9 second lead in only 2 laps was pretty incredible. Both Jett and Hunter have incredible burst speed when they need it.. and when they are cruising to maintain energy they are still pulling away from the field. 

What about their technique allows them to be so fluid and quick on the track?  It's not just the Lawrence's other European riders are incredibly fast and have been for at least the past decade. 

What are they doing that our homegrown riders are not? I hear how a lot of our guys ride more aggressively, and this wears them out faster. Not sure that answers all the questions however! 

Prado was almost 2 sec faster than both Jett and Hunter in moto 2. 2.09 vs 2.11.

Sure Jett has some top speed, but most of all they are able to maintain the fastest lap times longer, and drop off less. 

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They concentrate on going fast, rather than trying to sound like they are going fast . 

So true. The US system seems to breed valve bouncers. It simply doesn't generate speed as efficiently as someone who rides in the meat of the power.

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Greg Moss taught them the fundamentals; technique, balance points, etc. and that’s what they always revert back to. No coincidence that Greg also worked with Cole Davies. 

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Sadly, I don’t think many US riders prioritize outdoor MX over SX…add in some generational foreign talents, a lull in US talent and we have exactly what we are experiencing….it is what it is….we had a good run …..now we get schooled …

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They listened to this:

 

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As amateurs, they have a races where they get to ride for more than 10 minutes

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3strokemx wrote:

As amateurs, they have a races where they get to ride for more than 10 minutes

Not here in Australia, unless your A grade and a big event, its 10 maybe 15 mins.

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Watching Hunter catch Prado with a 9 second lead in only 2 laps was pretty incredible. Both Jett and Hunter have incredible burst speed when they...

Watching Hunter catch Prado with a 9 second lead in only 2 laps was pretty incredible. Both Jett and Hunter have incredible burst speed when they need it.. and when they are cruising to maintain energy they are still pulling away from the field. 

What about their technique allows them to be so fluid and quick on the track?  It's not just the Lawrence's other European riders are incredibly fast and have been for at least the past decade. 

What are they doing that our homegrown riders are not? I hear how a lot of our guys ride more aggressively, and this wears them out faster. Not sure that answers all the questions however! 

I’m not blaming it all on lappers but Prado absolutely sucks at passing them and has even said that himself. He follows them, isn’t sure where they’re going, and hesitates. He dropped 2-3 seconds a lap once he got into the lappers. You could say that’s him fading but I don’t put it all on that.


He has to get better at lappers. He said heck he might have to sprint to a larger gap if he’s going to suck that bad with lappers lol.

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Sadly, I don’t think many US riders prioritize outdoor MX over SX…add in some generational foreign talents, a lull in US talent and we have exactly...

Sadly, I don’t think many US riders prioritize outdoor MX over SX…add in some generational foreign talents, a lull in US talent and we have exactly what we are experiencing….it is what it is….we had a good run …..now we get schooled …

Our amateur racing is a joke. 4 lap sand bagging conventions don’t work.

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Their hips are always out.. whatever that means 

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They know how to shift up to 3rd gear

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I suspect a big part of it is recognizing and being able to communicate what a bike is doing to the suspension and engine techs to get the bike to do what they want it to.  Not all riders are good at that.  

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So, I mentioned in another thread the way Jett rides reminds me of Jean-Michel Bayle, my favorite rider of all time, and today this video popped up on my feed!

 

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They know how to shift up to 3rd gear

I was just listening to the Vital Redbud review, and Lewis said that just about every lap at Redbud, and also High Point, the message on Deegan’s pit board was “Shift up to 3rd”.

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Their hips are always out.. whatever that means 

That's why they have Doc G on hand. He puts them back in after each moto

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They know how to shift up to 3rd gear

ando wrote:
I was just listening to the Vital Redbud review, and Lewis said that just about every lap at Redbud, and also High Point, the message on...

I was just listening to the Vital Redbud review, and Lewis said that just about every lap at Redbud, and also High Point, the message on Deegan’s pit board was “Shift up to 3rd”.

I know he’s a fever but you can’t tell me he’s in 2nd gear all the time at places like red Bud?

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They know how to shift up to 3rd gear

ando wrote:
I was just listening to the Vital Redbud review, and Lewis said that just about every lap at Redbud, and also High Point, the message on...

I was just listening to the Vital Redbud review, and Lewis said that just about every lap at Redbud, and also High Point, the message on Deegan’s pit board was “Shift up to 3rd”.

yak651 wrote:

I know he’s a fever but you can’t tell me he’s in 2nd gear all the time at places like red Bud?

I suspect from what I've read and listened to that he's still trying to ride the 450 like a 250 and staying in too low a gear too often.

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balance is a big issue. Jet stays relatively centered and puts a lot of weigt into the pegs and rear of the bike. even when sitting, mid to mid-back on the seat 

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Could also help that they’ve been with Honda for so long. Helps when you don’t have a different color fender to look down at every 2-3 years 

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It’s a combination of 20 things.  

Neutrality on the bike, foot placement, head forward, roll speed and throttle control, ability to process at high speed, reaction time, fitness and overall confidence.


Extremely dialed in fundamentals.

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I want to say it was an interview with Hammaker or Drew talking about being at the Dog Pound and Darren making him do very simple fundamental drills on a 110 that changed his riding in a big way. They didn’t reinvent anything necessarily, they just nail all the fundamentals.

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the difference between growing up focusing on setting lap times around a compound. Compared to focusing on fundamentals & technique, experiencing racing at a disadvantage and understanding a motorcycles characteristics.

 

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philG wrote:

They concentrate on going fast, rather than trying to sound like they are going fast . 

haha....deegs bike sounds like he has a bullhorn attached to it.....certainly makes a lot of noise

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Big part is the competition they have with each since kids and other advantage is they push each other and sharing skills and knowledge

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Big part is the competition they have with each since kids and other advantage is they push each other and sharing skills and knowledge

I don’t think this aspect gets the importance it deserves.  Individual riders on other teams aren’t truly team mates - the Lawrences are.  Even to the point of swapping bikes during practice to see what the other is doing.

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The eyes Chico...

Being able to look ahead with a calm and comfortable nervous system no matter what the wheels are hitting is where speed comes from. 

A calm nervous system comes from stability. 

Stability comes from balance, technique, and foundational strength through a connected core. (Hunter's Red Bud finish line celebration is a great example).

Add in a balanced motorcycle and everything is working as one to mitigate the forces that want to disrupt the rider/bike mass from going forward in a straight line. 

They do this while constantly maximizing traction at the rear wheel. 

In the same spirit as a martial artist, they have prepared the nervous system for chaos, while deliberately installing foundational patterns that result in awareness, balance, and connection. These patterns lie deep in the subconscious, which allows for the focus to stay centered on the breath and what's far ahead, instead of being in survival mode.

The result...no fear, only flow.

Moto Yogis. 

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