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Yes , think i saw two people were arrested and bikes/trailer was recovered 

 

What I found from a quick google search : Recovered PropertyFollowing a tip, the Chesterfield County Sheriff’s Office recovered several items by April 22, including...

What I found from a quick google search : 

Recovered Property

Following a tip, the Chesterfield County Sheriff’s Office recovered several items by April 22, including two 2025 Husqvarna models, two Kawasaki bikes, a trailer, and a stolen truck. While a 2024 Husqvarna was initially reported stolen, it was later located by the owners. 

YahooYahoo +1
 
Arrests and Charges
James Murry Hicks (53) and Raymond Luke Edward Watkins Jr. (33), both from Hartsville, were arrested and charged with five counts of grand larceny and one count of possession of a stolen vehicle. The investigation remains active, with potential for further arrests.

One of the offenders' names is literally Hicks...how apt...

Ever been close to someone who had a child?

I can't imagine you've been that lucky, but there was a guy long ago named Hicks that you'd know if you did, and it's kind of a big deal.

So, what is your point?

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4/22/2026 9:22pm
truck wrote:
Don't make the mistake of reducing the impact of theft to a dollar amount. Try telling your wife and kids to sleep tight when you head...

Don't make the mistake of reducing the impact of theft to a dollar amount. Try telling your wife and kids to sleep tight when you head off to work a night shift after someone has come onto your property and stolen from you. No amount of money restores what is taken in situations like that. 

I'm with sumdood.... if you're willing to to violate people in that way, I don't care at all if the rest of your life is destroyed by it. Most people manage to make it through life without it ever being an issue, it's not a big ask to just not steal from people. 

MPJC wrote:
It's the combination of theft and trespassing in those situation that makes it so bad. Nobody should be shoplifting from Walmart but there's a big difference...

It's the combination of theft and trespassing in those situation that makes it so bad. Nobody should be shoplifting from Walmart but there's a big difference between not scanning an item at the self checkout at Walmart and a theft that includes a home invasion. If someone has come onto your property to steal you should be entitled to assume that they will harm you and thus be allowed protect yourself any way necessary, including lethal force. This is were Canada really has things wrong. We have very little right to defend ourselves from criminals. You pretty much have to wait until they are literally about to kill you before you can respond with force without facing legal consequences. It's ridiculous - here's an example of what I'm talking about 

https://driving.ca/auto-news/local-content/toronto-police-car-theft-leave-keys-door-stolen

 

I'm a big fan of protection dogs. A couple of 100 pound German Shepherds taking a few chunks out of a thief might make them rethink their life choices. 

Same in South Africa. You pretty much end up broke trying to prove self defence in the courts after a home invasion

The best way is to have an unlicensed firearm handy. You shoot to kill and your defence is that they pulled the firearm out and after a scuffle, you got the firearm and used it against them.

An unlicensed firearm here can get you minimum 5 yrs in the chooky. 

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4/22/2026 9:29pm
Its amazing how many people are sympathetic towards thieves. Glad they got their goods back! Ive had a few things stolen over the years. The only thing...

Its amazing how many people are sympathetic towards thieves. 

Glad they got their goods back! Ive had a few things stolen over the years. The only thing that has truly stopped theft for me, has been a fence and a well trained, territorial dog. We've been solid for over 10 years now. 

Sidenote: An attorney advised me to never put up beware of dog signs. In court, they can use it as an admittance of a dangerous dog.

 


Quote "An attorney advised me to never put up beware of dog signs. In court, they can use it as an admittance of a dangerous dog"

You gotta be kidding, right?

That is plain lunacy. Can't get my head around that. I mean, there's a dangerous dog behind the wall. The sign tells you the dog will attack, yet you still climb over. 

Now the dog owner can be sued????

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What I found from a quick google search : Recovered PropertyFollowing a tip, the Chesterfield County Sheriff’s Office recovered several items by April 22, including...

What I found from a quick google search : 

Recovered Property

Following a tip, the Chesterfield County Sheriff’s Office recovered several items by April 22, including two 2025 Husqvarna models, two Kawasaki bikes, a trailer, and a stolen truck. While a 2024 Husqvarna was initially reported stolen, it was later located by the owners. 

YahooYahoo +1
 
Arrests and Charges
James Murry Hicks (53) and Raymond Luke Edward Watkins Jr. (33), both from Hartsville, were arrested and charged with five counts of grand larceny and one count of possession of a stolen vehicle. The investigation remains active, with potential for further arrests.

One of the offenders' names is literally Hicks...how apt...

SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Ever been close to someone who had a child?I can't imagine you've been that lucky, but there was a guy long ago named Hicks that you'd...

Ever been close to someone who had a child?

I can't imagine you've been that lucky, but there was a guy long ago named Hicks that you'd know if you did, and it's kind of a big deal.

So, what is your point?

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Boomslang wrote:
Crime is is on a all time high and getting worse.Medieval and draconian punishments are probably the only things that may deter these bastards from doing...

Crime is is on a all time high and getting worse.

Medieval and draconian punishments are probably the only things that may deter these bastards from doing what they do.

Its really bad in S Africa. They'll break in, kill the men, rape the woman and little girls, then kill them before cleaning the place out.

 

RichieW13 wrote:
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per capita /= total qty. median by zipcode would also be helpful

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4/23/2026 1:15am

Had work tools stolen twice, would happily have seen the thieves thrown on top of a bonfire and turned to charcoal. Fuck em.

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4/23/2026 3:35am

Thieves are more protected than victims in this country.

Years ago I worked at a repair shop that mostly fixed ride on mowers and snowblowers. They also sold new equipment like trimmers and chainsaws. The store was converted from an old swimming pool store with a large display pool in the back that we fenced off since we had no use for it and customers weren’t allowed back there.

One night a thief jumped our gate and broke into our display area taking a few new chainsaws. He tried escaping with them out the back jumping over the fence. Little did he know he was jumping into the deep end of an empty swimming pool. We found him in the morning crying in pain with a severely broken leg still trapped in the pool. Long story short he sued my boss and ended up with a settlement. My boss also now having higher insurance rates and they also made him fill in the pool.

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Thieves are more protected than victims in this country.Years ago I worked at a repair shop that mostly fixed ride on mowers and snowblowers. They also...

Thieves are more protected than victims in this country.

Years ago I worked at a repair shop that mostly fixed ride on mowers and snowblowers. They also sold new equipment like trimmers and chainsaws. The store was converted from an old swimming pool store with a large display pool in the back that we fenced off since we had no use for it and customers weren’t allowed back there.

One night a thief jumped our gate and broke into our display area taking a few new chainsaws. He tried escaping with them out the back jumping over the fence. Little did he know he was jumping into the deep end of an empty swimming pool. We found him in the morning crying in pain with a severely broken leg still trapped in the pool. Long story short he sued my boss and ended up with a settlement. My boss also now having higher insurance rates and they also made him fill in the pool.

I think it's called "attractive nuisance". Fences usually fix the problem, but too often "a jury of your peers" aren't your peers at all.

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4/23/2026 5:23am Edited Date/Time 4/23/2026 7:44am

Wolfman is from Australia, it's likely his lineage is convicts sent to a penal colony, so no surpise that he sympathizes with thieves. 

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Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the other hand are the root of the problem.  Which is acceptance of crime.  Crime is so common that many including some on this thread take the easy way out and have an excuse and accept it.  

States with high crime rates like my home state of Oklahoma would sure enough be way worse off without harsh punishment for crime including the death penalty.  States like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama have harsh penalties for crime for a reason, if they didn’t crime rates would be much worse.

Public hangings were for a reason and it worked like it or not.

It’s kinda like this, a lot more horses would have been stolen before the turn of the century if it wasn’t an hanging offense.  They hung horse thieves up until 1910 ish.  I assure all you lite on crime guys……..if  motorcycle thieves were hung there would be a lot less bikes stolen.

In my best Oklahoma accent, I ain’t got no use for a thief.  A dirt bike may not mean much to some but to a a blue collar guy that can’t afford a 100k bass boat or a new Corvette, it means a lot.  

I ain’t got no use for a lite on crime libs either.  

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• Luis Anderson Cleto, 23, Bronx, NY• Antonio Dejesus Correamena, 38, Bronx, NY• Axel Estevez-Gonzalez, 22, Bronx, NY• Oscar Estevez-Gonzalez, 32, Bronx, NY...

• Luis Anderson Cleto, 23, Bronx, NY
• Antonio Dejesus Correamena, 38, Bronx, NY
• Axel Estevez-Gonzalez, 22, Bronx, NY
• Oscar Estevez-Gonzalez, 32, Bronx, NY
• Andy Estevez-Gonzalez, 24, Bronx, NY

 

There is something intriguing here....but I just cant put my finger on it.

Deport Them All!!

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4/23/2026 7:39am

Nithya Raman, a California Democrat , literally made a speech blaming Toyota for having catalytic converters that are to easy to steal. They also blame Hyundai for having cars that are to easy to steal. TO EASY TO STEAL ! Until they know what the real problem is it can’t be fixed. 

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One of the offenders' names is literally Hicks...how apt...

SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Ever been close to someone who had a child?I can't imagine you've been that lucky, but there was a guy long ago named Hicks that you'd...

Ever been close to someone who had a child?

I can't imagine you've been that lucky, but there was a guy long ago named Hicks that you'd know if you did, and it's kind of a big deal.

So, what is your point?

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Boomslang wrote:
Crime is is on a all time high and getting worse.Medieval and draconian punishments are probably the only things that may deter these bastards from doing...

Crime is is on a all time high and getting worse.

Medieval and draconian punishments are probably the only things that may deter these bastards from doing what they do.

Its really bad in S Africa. They'll break in, kill the men, rape the woman and little girls, then kill them before cleaning the place out.

 

RichieW13 wrote:
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Tyler D wrote:

per capita /= total qty. median by zipcode would also be helpful

Yeah, I am sure some zipcodes are different than others.  But on a national level, property crime has been trending downward for a long time.

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wwdiii wrote:
Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the...

Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the other hand are the root of the problem.  Which is acceptance of crime.  Crime is so common that many including some on this thread take the easy way out and have an excuse and accept it.  

States with high crime rates like my home state of Oklahoma would sure enough be way worse off without harsh punishment for crime including the death penalty.  States like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama have harsh penalties for crime for a reason, if they didn’t crime rates would be much worse.

Public hangings were for a reason and it worked like it or not.

It’s kinda like this, a lot more horses would have been stolen before the turn of the century if it wasn’t an hanging offense.  They hung horse thieves up until 1910 ish.  I assure all you lite on crime guys……..if  motorcycle thieves were hung there would be a lot less bikes stolen.

In my best Oklahoma accent, I ain’t got no use for a thief.  A dirt bike may not mean much to some but to a a blue collar guy that can’t afford a 100k bass boat or a new Corvette, it means a lot.  

I ain’t got no use for a lite on crime libs either.  

.  

I am pretty sick of the very few righty's on here that want to gloat like they're a righty and we're tough on crime. Its just those damn libs that are softies. 

Never generalize.

I live in Texas now. Compared to other states I've live in (7 total) its very high on crime and the courts are relatively soft on crime.

I've had a nearly new $53K pickup stolen here in TX and I had a nearly new dirt bike stolen when I was attending college in my home state.

So I have the same attitude that I'll chop your effen hands off! Being a victim, changes your outlook.

I'm also a gun owner.

I vote blue, so to the few righty's  quit generalizing us because we truly as Americans have a shit ton in common. But y'all really piss the fucking hell out me when you put me in a box, with a bunch of media driven dividing bull shit.

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Only read the first page but holy shit some of you are fucked up.

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4/23/2026 8:54am
Bandito121 wrote:
Nithya Raman, a California Democrat , literally made a speech blaming Toyota for having catalytic converters that are to easy to steal. They also blame Hyundai...

Nithya Raman, a California Democrat , literally made a speech blaming Toyota for having catalytic converters that are to easy to steal. They also blame Hyundai for having cars that are to easy to steal. TO EASY TO STEAL ! Until they know what the real problem is it can’t be fixed. 

MN At Gen Keith Ellison sued Kia and Hyundai for being too easy to steal. 

In a perfect society, keys are not even needed. Small town MN, people dont lock doors, leave keys in cars. Inner city MN, its expected that the house gets robbed and car gets stolen. 

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Bandito121 wrote:
Nithya Raman, a California Democrat , literally made a speech blaming Toyota for having catalytic converters that are to easy to steal. They also blame Hyundai...

Nithya Raman, a California Democrat , literally made a speech blaming Toyota for having catalytic converters that are to easy to steal. They also blame Hyundai for having cars that are to easy to steal. TO EASY TO STEAL ! Until they know what the real problem is it can’t be fixed. 

Democrats are braindead 

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Boomslang wrote:
Quote "An attorney advised me to never put up beware of dog signs. In court, they can use it as an admittance of a dangerous dog"You...


Quote "An attorney advised me to never put up beware of dog signs. In court, they can use it as an admittance of a dangerous dog"

You gotta be kidding, right?

That is plain lunacy. Can't get my head around that. I mean, there's a dangerous dog behind the wall. The sign tells you the dog will attack, yet you still climb over. 

Now the dog owner can be sued????

it's true. we used to adopt rescue Rottweilers and were advised to have signs. My wife also has to put up notices on her horse arena here in CO. Many RV parks and campgrounds have a list of dogs that are banned by their insurance companies for being too "dangerous".

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All this crap starts with progressives eliminating the smallest of offenses like library late fees. 

Is South Carolina full of progressives? 

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wwdiii wrote:
Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the...

Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the other hand are the root of the problem.  Which is acceptance of crime.  Crime is so common that many including some on this thread take the easy way out and have an excuse and accept it.  

States with high crime rates like my home state of Oklahoma would sure enough be way worse off without harsh punishment for crime including the death penalty.  States like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama have harsh penalties for crime for a reason, if they didn’t crime rates would be much worse.

Public hangings were for a reason and it worked like it or not.

It’s kinda like this, a lot more horses would have been stolen before the turn of the century if it wasn’t an hanging offense.  They hung horse thieves up until 1910 ish.  I assure all you lite on crime guys……..if  motorcycle thieves were hung there would be a lot less bikes stolen.

In my best Oklahoma accent, I ain’t got no use for a thief.  A dirt bike may not mean much to some but to a a blue collar guy that can’t afford a 100k bass boat or a new Corvette, it means a lot.  

I ain’t got no use for a lite on crime libs either.  

.  

Wyatt Earp stole horses and didn't get hung?

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wwdiii wrote:
Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the...

Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the other hand are the root of the problem.  Which is acceptance of crime.  Crime is so common that many including some on this thread take the easy way out and have an excuse and accept it.  

States with high crime rates like my home state of Oklahoma would sure enough be way worse off without harsh punishment for crime including the death penalty.  States like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama have harsh penalties for crime for a reason, if they didn’t crime rates would be much worse.

Public hangings were for a reason and it worked like it or not.

It’s kinda like this, a lot more horses would have been stolen before the turn of the century if it wasn’t an hanging offense.  They hung horse thieves up until 1910 ish.  I assure all you lite on crime guys……..if  motorcycle thieves were hung there would be a lot less bikes stolen.

In my best Oklahoma accent, I ain’t got no use for a thief.  A dirt bike may not mean much to some but to a a blue collar guy that can’t afford a 100k bass boat or a new Corvette, it means a lot.  

I ain’t got no use for a lite on crime libs either.  

.  

Timo wrote:

Wyatt Earp stole horses and didn't get hung?

*Hanged*

"Hung" is an entirely different conversation...

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Boomslang wrote:
Quote "An attorney advised me to never put up beware of dog signs. In court, they can use it as an admittance of a dangerous dog"You...


Quote "An attorney advised me to never put up beware of dog signs. In court, they can use it as an admittance of a dangerous dog"

You gotta be kidding, right?

That is plain lunacy. Can't get my head around that. I mean, there's a dangerous dog behind the wall. The sign tells you the dog will attack, yet you still climb over. 

Now the dog owner can be sued????

I think the exact circumstance can make a big difference.  

If somebody jumps the fence to steal something and gets bitten by a dog, they probably aren't going to have a case against the homeowner.  Even if the homeowner has a sign that says "beware of dog". 

The issue is that if that dog ends up biting somebody who was not committing a crime, then the sign can be used as evidence that the dog owner should have taken more precautions to prevent the dog from attacking somebody.  Things such as a kid jumps over a fence to get a ball, the dog escapes the yard, a fireman has to enter the yard, etc.

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4/23/2026 9:25am
wwdiii wrote:
Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the...

Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the other hand are the root of the problem.  Which is acceptance of crime.  Crime is so common that many including some on this thread take the easy way out and have an excuse and accept it.  

States with high crime rates like my home state of Oklahoma would sure enough be way worse off without harsh punishment for crime including the death penalty.  States like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama have harsh penalties for crime for a reason, if they didn’t crime rates would be much worse.

Public hangings were for a reason and it worked like it or not.

It’s kinda like this, a lot more horses would have been stolen before the turn of the century if it wasn’t an hanging offense.  They hung horse thieves up until 1910 ish.  I assure all you lite on crime guys……..if  motorcycle thieves were hung there would be a lot less bikes stolen.

In my best Oklahoma accent, I ain’t got no use for a thief.  A dirt bike may not mean much to some but to a a blue collar guy that can’t afford a 100k bass boat or a new Corvette, it means a lot.  

I ain’t got no use for a lite on crime libs either.  

.  

kawasa84 wrote:
I am pretty sick of the very few righty's on here that want to gloat like they're a righty and we're tough on crime. Its just...

I am pretty sick of the very few righty's on here that want to gloat like they're a righty and we're tough on crime. Its just those damn libs that are softies. 

Never generalize.

I live in Texas now. Compared to other states I've live in (7 total) its very high on crime and the courts are relatively soft on crime.

I've had a nearly new $53K pickup stolen here in TX and I had a nearly new dirt bike stolen when I was attending college in my home state.

So I have the same attitude that I'll chop your effen hands off! Being a victim, changes your outlook.

I'm also a gun owner.

I vote blue, so to the few righty's  quit generalizing us because we truly as Americans have a shit ton in common. But y'all really piss the fucking hell out me when you put me in a box, with a bunch of media driven dividing bull shit.

Should every "righty" take offense to this like you did when folks were saying "lefties" are soft on crime?

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4/23/2026 9:32am
Bandito121 wrote:
Nithya Raman, a California Democrat , literally made a speech blaming Toyota for having catalytic converters that are to easy to steal. They also blame Hyundai...

Nithya Raman, a California Democrat , literally made a speech blaming Toyota for having catalytic converters that are to easy to steal. They also blame Hyundai for having cars that are to easy to steal. TO EASY TO STEAL ! Until they know what the real problem is it can’t be fixed. 

MN At Gen Keith Ellison sued Kia and Hyundai for being too easy to steal. In a perfect society, keys are not even needed. Small town MN...

MN At Gen Keith Ellison sued Kia and Hyundai for being too easy to steal. 

In a perfect society, keys are not even needed. Small town MN, people dont lock doors, leave keys in cars. Inner city MN, its expected that the house gets robbed and car gets stolen. 

Nuts, this is just a hop and a skip from “don’t have nice things” or more crudely “she was asking for it”.

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kawasa84 wrote:
I am pretty sick of the very few righty's on here that want to gloat like they're a righty and we're tough on crime. Its just...

I am pretty sick of the very few righty's on here that want to gloat like they're a righty and we're tough on crime. Its just those damn libs that are softies. 

Never generalize.

I live in Texas now. Compared to other states I've live in (7 total) its very high on crime and the courts are relatively soft on crime.

I've had a nearly new $53K pickup stolen here in TX and I had a nearly new dirt bike stolen when I was attending college in my home state.

So I have the same attitude that I'll chop your effen hands off! Being a victim, changes your outlook.

I'm also a gun owner.

I vote blue, so to the few righty's  quit generalizing us because we truly as Americans have a shit ton in common. But y'all really piss the fucking hell out me when you put me in a box, with a bunch of media driven dividing bull shit.

You seem like a run of the mill left thinking person.

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4/23/2026 9:49am

Punishment has to fit the crime, but we also must recognize which party is the damn criminal. I get absolutely torqued when I hear about somebody suing a homeowner because he hurt himself while trying to rob the guy. No; the person doing the thieving is in the wrong, full stop. 

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wwdiii wrote:
Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the...

Reading through this thread is no doubt an eye opener.  Some are totally against crime and agree on enforcement of law and punishment.  Some on the other hand are the root of the problem.  Which is acceptance of crime.  Crime is so common that many including some on this thread take the easy way out and have an excuse and accept it.  

States with high crime rates like my home state of Oklahoma would sure enough be way worse off without harsh punishment for crime including the death penalty.  States like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama have harsh penalties for crime for a reason, if they didn’t crime rates would be much worse.

Public hangings were for a reason and it worked like it or not.

It’s kinda like this, a lot more horses would have been stolen before the turn of the century if it wasn’t an hanging offense.  They hung horse thieves up until 1910 ish.  I assure all you lite on crime guys……..if  motorcycle thieves were hung there would be a lot less bikes stolen.

In my best Oklahoma accent, I ain’t got no use for a thief.  A dirt bike may not mean much to some but to a a blue collar guy that can’t afford a 100k bass boat or a new Corvette, it means a lot.  

I ain’t got no use for a lite on crime libs either.  

.  

kawasa84 wrote:
I am pretty sick of the very few righty's on here that want to gloat like they're a righty and we're tough on crime. Its just...

I am pretty sick of the very few righty's on here that want to gloat like they're a righty and we're tough on crime. Its just those damn libs that are softies. 

Never generalize.

I live in Texas now. Compared to other states I've live in (7 total) its very high on crime and the courts are relatively soft on crime.

I've had a nearly new $53K pickup stolen here in TX and I had a nearly new dirt bike stolen when I was attending college in my home state.

So I have the same attitude that I'll chop your effen hands off! Being a victim, changes your outlook.

I'm also a gun owner.

I vote blue, so to the few righty's  quit generalizing us because we truly as Americans have a shit ton in common. But y'all really piss the fucking hell out me when you put me in a box, with a bunch of media driven dividing bull shit.

I don't need the media to tell me how every single blue politician votes on every one of these issues. Your feelings are great, but your vote is the thing that carries consequences. 

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4/23/2026 11:49am
MPJC wrote:
Suppose I don’t have a solution. “I don’t have alternative to your solution therefore I must accept your solution” is a terrible argument. That should be...

Suppose I don’t have a solution. “I don’t have alternative to your solution therefore I must accept your solution” is a terrible argument. That should be obvious. 

Recognizing loss to the victim suggests that restitution should be a priority. I’d rather have the value of my stolen property back than than have the theif mutilated. I gain something from restitution but not retribution.  

The point of retribution seems to be deterrence. The problem I have with mutilation is its permanence. Property can be replaced so that doesn’t seem proportionate. Flogging seems to be an effective deterrent in Singapore and while it hurts like hell, you recover - and probably don’t want to go through it again. A guy with no hands can’t work and earn a living and I would think that runs against the goal of rehabilitation (for the few cases where it’s possible). 

Quite the contrast between how people here react to theft (with a no mercy attitude) vs someone abusing his wife (a lot of “I wish him well”). I think smacking around your wife is at least as bad as theft.   If a guy hits his wife or girlfriend should we cut off his hand too? 
 

Everyone would rather have their property or the value of their property back, the problem is that by the time the lazy ass cops get around...

Everyone would rather have their property or the value of their property back, the problem is that by the time the lazy ass cops get around to making an arrest,  the thief has already sold your shit for drugs or fucked it up for no reason other than they can.  Good luck getting that restitution. 

Lazy arse cops, or Governments that won't increase the budget to allow a larger police force?

This is a world wide issue.

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4/23/2026 12:01pm
Rab wrote:
I understand what you’re saying but also the difficulties the kid faces or the hurdles he has to cross are all consequences of his actions. If...

I understand what you’re saying but also the difficulties the kid faces or the hurdles he has to cross are all consequences of his actions. If he has a decent head on his shoulders he would hopefully accept that, learn from it and move forward. Will things be harder for him now? I’m positive they will but that doesn’t prevent him from finding success. He might have to take a different route but again, actions have consequences. 
What would that kid have learned had you let him off easy and chose to not press charges? 

Unknown , maybe his parents would've served as the ones teaching him the lesson .. as it should be. 

At the time all I wanted was some version of revenge for having been made a victim, turns out that was a rather hollow aspiration.  

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