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Some news in the GP paddock, Chinese manufacturer will enter the paddock with the previous TBS Conversions team.
Plan is to have two EMX250 riders in 2027 and move forward to MX2 in 2028.
Official: New manufacturer – Kove Factory Racing to enter the GP paddock in 2027 – GateDrop.com
Good to see another manufacturer but they'll need a serious jump in performance to be competitive on the world stage.
So its a KTM copy?
Power levels of Factory 250f bikes is insane. They need some serious stuff to get top 20 results even in EMX250. To see Ducati struggling after years of testing tells its not easy to get everything working in balance when you are pushing and Kove doesnt have much testing done yet?
Kove has been developing a 250 mx machine longer then Ducati so they could be further ahead then we think.
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They said Honda would never win at Isle of Man either. Hate to say the Chinese are coming, we all wanted less expensive dirt bikes and snubbed our noses at CRF/Fs, and TTRs, so here they come. I believe Cfmoto won a road racing world championship last year.
They are supporting a young rider in BSB , and in British Supermoto. As with most things from that part of the world, they look like they will do the job, but dont forget that pretty much all of the Road Racing formula's these days are BOP controlled, so they will get weight and other concessions to get them on the pace. Think strangled PC Kawasaki racing against a stock RMZ running on Nitro, that weighs 20kg less. Performance is relative, and thankfully, MX hasnt fallen foul of restricting those that do a better job.
That said, building a 'Factory' bike with other people's parts isnt hard, its been done very recently.
Just like the Japanese wave in the ’60s, it started with rough builds and evolved into refinement.
On that note, CFMoto has been producing bikes and components for brands many people already respect, more than most realize.
And then there’s the story behind Kove. The founder could have been one of us. He was a kid with a dream of racing the Dakar Rally. He didn't have a bike, so he built one. Politics aside, that’s something I can respect.
The rider has been announced. Sum Ting Wong from ShengShin China.
When i think of a team to develop my new bike for gp competition TBS is not the first that comes to mind. Not much confidence in this combo.
Fair point, but the Japanese always had excellent engineering. I've not seen much in the automotive/motorcycling realm from China that I would classify as "excellence" in either engineering or metallurgy. A friend who owned a small motorcycle shop essentially made his living for years swapping out laughably bad wheel bearings on Chinese-made Honda knock-offs with decent Japanese or American made bearings. Maybe they'll figure it out.
Look at what DJI did with their amflow/Avinox system in the emtb world, basically took over the market in 2 years.
Yeah Kove should have wrestled Gariboldi away from HRC
The pilot?
I take it you’ve been pretty much ignoring the Chinese EV industry then.
Anyone comparing Japan in the 60s to China in the 2020s doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.
I don't think it's a lack of engineering talent or quality materials, their ceiling is as high as most any major country. It's just how low they're willing to go as well, is much much lower than most anyplace else. Capable of making great things for the right price, but willing to churn out garbage using near slave labor for a nickel.
Ever read the book on Chinese over population written by Wii Fuk-EM young?
Finally someone will follow the heritage of the Shineray team in FIM MX paddock. 💪
Was that team running Nick Triest in MX2 and KTMs with only decals showing Shineray or did they also run Hondas with Shannon Terreblanche before or is my mind making up stuff again?
Feel free to clarify this piece of history... i wanna say from 2007ish.
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I'll readily concede they can produce a bunch of stuff at impossible to beat prices, largely due to what we'd consider slave labor rates in the west. But, for example, are BYDs true equals to say, Teslas, in terms of their tech, at least as it pertains to motors/batteries? And will they run for 300K miles like any reasonably-maintained Toyota or Honda?
Nothing I've experienced thus far would give me confidence that the answers to those questions are yes.
The Japanese motorcycle and car industry proceeded quickly from the ashes of WWII and making cheap knock-off products thru advanced engineering and manufacturing and an almost obsessive attention to quality. Japanese advanced manufacturing and engineering are today world-class and have been so for a long time. The Chinese motorcycles I've seen embody none of those attributes. They still arrive at "showrooms" with parts dripping/doused with machine oil from the manufacturing process. For comparison, take a couple of hours if you have the time to tour the Honda manufacturing center in Ohio. It's mind-blowing in many ways.
I’m a few years removed from it, but I was pretty Anti-China bikes for a long time when I worked at a dealership. We did a few Japanese brands and sold Polaris as well. Around Covid time when supply was very limited but buyers were high, management decided to sign on CFmoto and bring some units in. I was super hesitant at first and really didn’t like the idea of selling Chinese units, but after weeks of running machines back and forth from the front lot I came to the conclusion that out of every Kawasaki, Suzuki, Polaris, and Yamaha quad we sold, the CFmoto equivalent was a better unit for the average person.
The EPS worked a million times better than any of the Japanese units, and sitting on the CFmoto vs a Polaris sportsman you’d think the Polaris was the China made one just from the build quality. We sold a shit ton of CFmoto units and never really had any major complaints or had to warranty any units. They’ve come a long way in 10 years or so.
I would never buy anything that has the name Polaris on it though.
I have to admit the CF Moto stuff seems very well made. I’ve talked to farmers that have them and so far they are holding up.
Dirt Bike magazine tested these bikes and they liked them and said they are legit race bikes although a bit down on power . Unlike GPX , SSR , Kayo etc. the Kove appears to be a clean sheet design , not a knock off . It will be interesting to see how they go .
It's good to know Jago Geerts will still have a factory deal in 2028.
I am in the Glass processing industry.
I have seen the glass processing machinery quality improve leaps and bounds in the last decade.
They have figured out metalurgy, they use quality Euro electrical, and service is second to none.
Yes, this drives the cost up a bit, but its still a cheaper entry level option.
Just starting with a 250 might prove to be the biggest challenge. The existing race 250's are absolute monsters compared to stock bikes and Kove is already in the hole to a stock bike. I don't think this is going to go all that well... They should do it, but have some seriously tempered expectations.
I rode the Gen 1 250F at the end of 2024 and was really surprised with it. It was 95% of the way there compared to a Japanese bike. Just down a few ponies.
Almost. I read Yellow River by I.P. Freely instead.
Just because your mate bought cheap shit to sell, dont assume that they dont know what they are doing. They know how to do cheap.
But all the leading Aerospace OEM's are making things in China to very high standards. Out of the right stuff.
That's right their current bike is down on power (42 hp for 2026 "gen 2", up by about 4 hp from "gen 1") but that's not the bike they're going to race next year. Things are moving fast, they could become reasonably competitive faster than most people think.
From the link posted by OP
Steensels: "The plan is that for 2026 we will do testing with the new KOVE 250R and in 2027 we will race the EMX250 series. It’s very exciting to be a part of this new project with a new manufacturer. Everything is new for everybody so it’s different than what I’m used to, but that makes it a nice adventure for me. The plan for 2027 is to have two riders racing the EMX250 series and if all goes good in 2028 we will enter the MX2 World Championship. We will do the first test of the bike this weekend and we will build up from there. The dyno tests are really promising so we are looking forward to it."
I have a BYD and it is an absolutely fantastic car at even better price.
The Chinese are at the sharp end of world supersport as well which is no easy feat as that class is a full on axe murderer festival every time the lights go out.
I have zero doubt they will end up competitive, just like the Japanese.
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