KTM to file for Bankruptcy/ Self Restructuring on Friday

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The few guys who are bellyaching about a successful long term Indian partner taking control of KTM make me chuckle. Do you think they will do worse...

The few guys who are bellyaching about a successful long term Indian partner taking control of KTM make me chuckle. 

Do you think they will do worse than the Austrian owners have done?? LOL Do you think that because they are Indian, they can do worse than the Peirer Mobility trainwreck? clueless

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If they move more manufacturing from Austria to India then yes, it can get a lot worse. 

You would never know if parts were made in India and the bike was assembled in Austria, they may have been doing some of that already...

You would never know if parts were made in India and the bike was assembled in Austria, they may have been doing some of that already, nobody outside KTM would know.

"61% of components purchased for European production sites are from Austria, Germany or Italy, total for Europe is 85%."

15% sourced from outside Europe.

6/24/2025 5:51am
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If they move more manufacturing from Austria to India then yes, it can get a lot worse. 

You would never know if parts were made in India and the bike was assembled in Austria, they may have been doing some of that already...

You would never know if parts were made in India and the bike was assembled in Austria, they may have been doing some of that already, nobody outside KTM would know.

GrapeApe wrote:

"61% of components purchased for European production sites are from Austria, Germany or Italy, total for Europe is 85%."

15% sourced from outside Europe.

The 15% sourced from outside Europe would include tires from Japan, but only KTM knows.

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You would never know if parts were made in India and the bike was assembled in Austria, they may have been doing some of that already...

You would never know if parts were made in India and the bike was assembled in Austria, they may have been doing some of that already, nobody outside KTM would know.

GrapeApe wrote:

"61% of components purchased for European production sites are from Austria, Germany or Italy, total for Europe is 85%."

15% sourced from outside Europe.

The 15% sourced from outside Europe would include tires from Japan, but only KTM knows.

Not all raw nor refined materials are available from Europe. More to the point, I don't see any fundamental issue with sourcing parts abroad. In fact 85% sourced in Europe is huge, not sure if any other OEM can do much more local than that. 

As a reference, because it's easier to come by statistics for cars, there is not a single "made in USA" car with that much US components (not even including Canada in the mix).

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You can have parts made in Eastern Europe for not much more than Asia once you consider shipping. For current ktms tubes and radiators are made in China for sure. Tires from Indonesia, wheel rims are Japanese I think except xc bikes get giant wheels which are probably made in China. 

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6/24/2025 9:39am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2025 9:41am
wrc777 wrote:
You can have parts made in Eastern Europe for not much more than Asia once you consider shipping. For current ktms tubes and radiators are made...

You can have parts made in Eastern Europe for not much more than Asia once you consider shipping. For current ktms tubes and radiators are made in China for sure. Tires from Indonesia, wheel rims are Japanese I think except xc bikes get giant wheels which are probably made in China. 

They use Keihin Fuel injection and Electronics on their competition dirt bikes.

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wrc777 wrote:
You can have parts made in Eastern Europe for not much more than Asia once you consider shipping. For current ktms tubes and radiators are made...

You can have parts made in Eastern Europe for not much more than Asia once you consider shipping. For current ktms tubes and radiators are made in China for sure. Tires from Indonesia, wheel rims are Japanese I think except xc bikes get giant wheels which are probably made in China. 

They use Keihin Fuel injection and Electronics on their competition dirt bikes.

I was only listing the parts I was pretty sure of. Protaper bars probably made in Taiwan. No telling where neken are made. 

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TeamGreen wrote:

So, it’s pronounced Bajaj? 

Well I am glad we got that settled. 

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TeamGreen wrote:

So, it’s pronounced Bajaj? 

Tiki wrote:

Well I am glad we got that settled. 

I’ve lost so much sleep over this. 

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TeamGreen wrote:

So, it’s pronounced Bajaj? 

No, it’s Bajaj. 

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TeamGreen wrote:

So, it’s pronounced Bajaj? 

MPJC wrote:

No, it’s Bajaj. 

Is that a soft j like jogging?

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TeamGreen wrote:

So, it’s pronounced Bajaj? 

MPJC wrote:

No, it’s Bajaj. 

JazzyJJ wrote:

Is that a soft j like jogging?

J like in Bajaj

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MPJC wrote:

No, it’s Bajaj. 

JazzyJJ wrote:

Is that a soft j like jogging?

MPJC wrote:

J like in Bajaj

Twice 

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7/29/2025 11:30pm Edited Date/Time 7/29/2025 11:31pm

https://youtu.be/XwKXBwFE2hg?si=9C-D_S-wnSb9QM06

We’re back and building bikes once again in Mattighofen!

Production has officially restarted at KTM HQ in Austria with our first 2026 models ready to roll out of the factory. 

Over the coming weeks, the new Offroad line-up and LC4 models, including the KTM 690 ENDURO R and KTM 690 SMC R, will be built. 

This is more than just a restart, it’s a mark of everything KTM stands for – quality, innovation, and an unstoppable READY TO RACE spirit.

For the full schedule of our Offroad range launches, check out the Offroad Launch Pad: https://www.ktm.com/en-ca/ktm-world/news/2026-ktm-offroad-launchpad.html

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Good that the production is up and running again, lets hope the foundations are sustainable and it will stay running.

However, i just hate the way KTM are doing their PR. 

"This is more than just a restart, it’s a mark of everything KTM stands for – quality, innovation, and an unstoppable READY TO RACE spirit."

They have kept putting sentences like these in their PR messages through this whole mess and it just feels incredibly disingenuous.

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Past creditors, some of whom have been bankrupted, may not be feeling as exuberant.

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Just a separate but perhaps related note - a huge bicycle company called YT has gone into administration on the EU side (but not the US side, like with KTM) and they have basically told people that they cant refund them for orders placed after I think the 15 July as their orders (money) form part of the admin process. The really wild thing is they just released a new e-bike AFTER announcing this financial issue. Their comments sections on social media platforms are not too great but thought its quite similar to KTM (but at least KTM wasn't telling people they cant get a refund OR a bike) lol.

Lots of info about this on the Sister site https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/will-more-companies-be-shutting-down-next-12-24-months?page=87 

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Just a separate but perhaps related note - a huge bicycle company called YT has gone into administration on the EU side (but not the US...

Just a separate but perhaps related note - a huge bicycle company called YT has gone into administration on the EU side (but not the US side, like with KTM) and they have basically told people that they cant refund them for orders placed after I think the 15 July as their orders (money) form part of the admin process. The really wild thing is they just released a new e-bike AFTER announcing this financial issue. Their comments sections on social media platforms are not too great but thought its quite similar to KTM (but at least KTM wasn't telling people they cant get a refund OR a bike) lol.

Lots of info about this on the Sister site https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/will-more-companies-be-shutting-down-next-12-24-months?page=87 

Yeah the case with YT is absolutely disgraceful. And they have basically trashed their brand for the forseeable future. Even if they manage to get the finances in a sustainable shape, they will have a very rough go with trying to get old customers back and gain new ones.

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7/30/2025 5:28am
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Past creditors, some of whom have been bankrupted, may not be feeling as exuberant.

This. The whole deal feels a little ignorant.

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7/30/2025 8:30am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2025 8:31am
ksithumper wrote:

Past creditors, some of whom have been bankrupted, may not be feeling as exuberant.

This. The whole deal feels a little ignorant.

The lesson for any business - a lesson as old as time - is don't let one client dominate your revenue.  That risk will always be there if the survival tipping point  for revenue comes from one client.  It doesn't matter what industry it is.   

It's the same for team sponsorships.

If that's the only way to do business, and it might be, you accept those risks.

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ksithumper wrote:

Past creditors, some of whom have been bankrupted, may not be feeling as exuberant.

This. The whole deal feels a little ignorant.

The lesson for any business - a lesson as old as time - is don't let one client dominate your revenue.  That risk will always be...

The lesson for any business - a lesson as old as time - is don't let one client dominate your revenue.  That risk will always be there if the survival tipping point  for revenue comes from one client.  It doesn't matter what industry it is.   

It's the same for team sponsorships.

If that's the only way to do business, and it might be, you accept those risks.

It's not as simple as all that. KTM dominates their regional economy. The managers of the company had a responsibility to every citizen in the area, not just employees or suppliers. A 50 million dollar warehouse in Kalifornia, MotoGP teams and other luxuries of the like do not translate to the welfare of the care taking for the citizens that got KTM to where they are/where. Do not misread me as a bleeding heart liberal, I am not, I am a retired business owner myself. Another age old business lesson is never let down those that are depending upon you. It takes a lifetime to build a reputation, but just one moment to destroy it. 30c on a dollar, you have to be shitting me.

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ksithumper wrote:

Past creditors, some of whom have been bankrupted, may not be feeling as exuberant.

This. The whole deal feels a little ignorant.

The lesson for any business - a lesson as old as time - is don't let one client dominate your revenue.  That risk will always be...

The lesson for any business - a lesson as old as time - is don't let one client dominate your revenue.  That risk will always be there if the survival tipping point  for revenue comes from one client.  It doesn't matter what industry it is.   

It's the same for team sponsorships.

If that's the only way to do business, and it might be, you accept those risks.

The Walmart/Vlasic pickle story is a great example showing that it doesn’t have to take a bankruptcy to be at the mercy of a single, large customer. 

Even with many customers, the accounts receivable can be a nightmare. I had a couple of good friends who were electricians. They were getting paid a decent hourly wage, but they saw the difference between what the customer was being billed and what they were getting paid and decided that they were going into business for themselves. Took them a few months to make the jump and they were pretty secretive about it until they quit their jobs. 

The first couple of months they were ecstatic!  They were underbidding their old boss by 10% but still billing significantly higher than what their old hourly wage had been. They were just a 2 person business and they were more busy than they ever expected to be. 

Then after 3 or so months in business, the wheels started to fall off. Even though they were giving customers great deals, they were barely collecting half of their billings in any sort of a timely manner. Nearly 30% of their billings were basically ignored and never got paid. Even the invoices that they did get paid on were averaging far over 90 days out, even for work that they did for ‘reputable’ contractors. 

A year later they were back with their old employer who was nice enough to purchase their vehicles and equipment at steep discounts and was paying them just about the same as he had been the year before. It was an expensive lesson that business isn’t always as straightforward as it seems, and you had better factor in troubles with collecting into your pricing!  

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This. The whole deal feels a little ignorant.

The lesson for any business - a lesson as old as time - is don't let one client dominate your revenue.  That risk will always be...

The lesson for any business - a lesson as old as time - is don't let one client dominate your revenue.  That risk will always be there if the survival tipping point  for revenue comes from one client.  It doesn't matter what industry it is.   

It's the same for team sponsorships.

If that's the only way to do business, and it might be, you accept those risks.

Spoonguy wrote:
It's not as simple as all that. KTM dominates their regional economy. The managers of the company had a responsibility to every citizen in the area...

It's not as simple as all that. KTM dominates their regional economy. The managers of the company had a responsibility to every citizen in the area, not just employees or suppliers. A 50 million dollar warehouse in Kalifornia, MotoGP teams and other luxuries of the like do not translate to the welfare of the care taking for the citizens that got KTM to where they are/where. Do not misread me as a bleeding heart liberal, I am not, I am a retired business owner myself. Another age old business lesson is never let down those that are depending upon you. It takes a lifetime to build a reputation, but just one moment to destroy it. 30c on a dollar, you have to be shitting me.

I don't disagree with those underlying principles, but they break down when a dominant client runs short on funds as debt comes due, for whatever reason.  A 100 businesses owed $100 and the client having $30 means someone is out of pocket.  

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The lesson for any business - a lesson as old as time - is don't let one client dominate your revenue.  That risk will always be...

The lesson for any business - a lesson as old as time - is don't let one client dominate your revenue.  That risk will always be there if the survival tipping point  for revenue comes from one client.  It doesn't matter what industry it is.   

It's the same for team sponsorships.

If that's the only way to do business, and it might be, you accept those risks.

Spoonguy wrote:
It's not as simple as all that. KTM dominates their regional economy. The managers of the company had a responsibility to every citizen in the area...

It's not as simple as all that. KTM dominates their regional economy. The managers of the company had a responsibility to every citizen in the area, not just employees or suppliers. A 50 million dollar warehouse in Kalifornia, MotoGP teams and other luxuries of the like do not translate to the welfare of the care taking for the citizens that got KTM to where they are/where. Do not misread me as a bleeding heart liberal, I am not, I am a retired business owner myself. Another age old business lesson is never let down those that are depending upon you. It takes a lifetime to build a reputation, but just one moment to destroy it. 30c on a dollar, you have to be shitting me.

I don't disagree with those underlying principles, but they break down when a dominant client runs short on funds as debt comes due, for whatever reason...

I don't disagree with those underlying principles, but they break down when a dominant client runs short on funds as debt comes due, for whatever reason.  A 100 businesses owed $100 and the client having $30 means someone is out of pocket.  

You misunderstood. KTM had a responsibility to fulfill not just to suppliers. Their totally dominant position in the economy of their location means many, if not most, of the people in the area depend upon them in some form or another. KTM let those who depended upon them down.

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Spoonguy wrote:
It's not as simple as all that. KTM dominates their regional economy. The managers of the company had a responsibility to every citizen in the area...

It's not as simple as all that. KTM dominates their regional economy. The managers of the company had a responsibility to every citizen in the area, not just employees or suppliers. A 50 million dollar warehouse in Kalifornia, MotoGP teams and other luxuries of the like do not translate to the welfare of the care taking for the citizens that got KTM to where they are/where. Do not misread me as a bleeding heart liberal, I am not, I am a retired business owner myself. Another age old business lesson is never let down those that are depending upon you. It takes a lifetime to build a reputation, but just one moment to destroy it. 30c on a dollar, you have to be shitting me.

I don't disagree with those underlying principles, but they break down when a dominant client runs short on funds as debt comes due, for whatever reason...

I don't disagree with those underlying principles, but they break down when a dominant client runs short on funds as debt comes due, for whatever reason.  A 100 businesses owed $100 and the client having $30 means someone is out of pocket.  

Spoonguy wrote:
You misunderstood. KTM had a responsibility to fulfill not just to suppliers. Their totally dominant position in the economy of their location means many, if not...

You misunderstood. KTM had a responsibility to fulfill not just to suppliers. Their totally dominant position in the economy of their location means many, if not most, of the people in the area depend upon them in some form or another. KTM let those who depended upon them down.

That sentiment means not a wit to creditors who hold the cards, no matter how spot on the description of what would be ideal is.  Hopefully they make things right going forward.  

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Team rig has been sitting in Cody, WY the last couple days, maybe they ran out of fuel lol

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I don't disagree with those underlying principles, but they break down when a dominant client runs short on funds as debt comes due, for whatever reason...

I don't disagree with those underlying principles, but they break down when a dominant client runs short on funds as debt comes due, for whatever reason.  A 100 businesses owed $100 and the client having $30 means someone is out of pocket.  

Spoonguy wrote:
You misunderstood. KTM had a responsibility to fulfill not just to suppliers. Their totally dominant position in the economy of their location means many, if not...

You misunderstood. KTM had a responsibility to fulfill not just to suppliers. Their totally dominant position in the economy of their location means many, if not most, of the people in the area depend upon them in some form or another. KTM let those who depended upon them down.

That sentiment means not a wit to creditors who hold the cards, no matter how spot on the description of what would be ideal is.  Hopefully...

That sentiment means not a wit to creditors who hold the cards, no matter how spot on the description of what would be ideal is.  Hopefully they make things right going forward.  

The company has been proven untrustworthy.

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Spoonguy wrote:
You misunderstood. KTM had a responsibility to fulfill not just to suppliers. Their totally dominant position in the economy of their location means many, if not...

You misunderstood. KTM had a responsibility to fulfill not just to suppliers. Their totally dominant position in the economy of their location means many, if not most, of the people in the area depend upon them in some form or another. KTM let those who depended upon them down.

That sentiment means not a wit to creditors who hold the cards, no matter how spot on the description of what would be ideal is.  Hopefully...

That sentiment means not a wit to creditors who hold the cards, no matter how spot on the description of what would be ideal is.  Hopefully they make things right going forward.  

Spoonguy wrote:

The company has been proven untrustworthy.

Their CYTD market share numbers here in the US certainly reflect that sentiment.

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Braz wrote:
Team rig has been sitting in Cody, WY the last couple days, maybe they ran out of fuel lol

Team rig has been sitting in Cody, WY the last couple days, maybe they ran out of fuel lol

They have two full semis sitting at headquarters here in California this entire outdoor season don't remember ever seeing them there during Race season!

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