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With a few deaths and serious injuries over the years, I imagine there could/would be some kind of investigation by authorities. For the good of the sport, we should be heading-off these concerns.
I guess blind approaches to landing areas after jumps is a main point, what other areas should be looked at? Trees, fences?
Your input from previous experience can offer guidance for track builders, before the authorities come down hard on us.
one of the big issues is the lack of data on these sort of things,
even the cause of death are not really collected as far as i know,
Good question, Ive seen fatalities and serious injuries in random sections over the years so couldn’t pin point a part of track. For me, going over the handle bars is what I fear the most next to sudden stop in momentum (ex. Double jumps right before a large take off)
That Australian guy who likes collating injuries - and wanted to do a podcast about it - but had his lunch cut by someone else with Ping- would be the ideal man to stack this data up.
If he crowd sourced some cash to do a study, and keep the data private / away from insurance companies and only share it with DC I would donate
The first turn has got to be up there.
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Jumps. Frensh federation has done studies on this.
My opinion only….the most dangerous places to crash are any where there is high speed, this damages people with no intervention easy.
I suspect most crashes occur in a corner or on an obstacle that usually would not be high speed, so more injuries would occur here.
But serious injuries I think would occur more where high speed is involved.
Desert racing scares me more than motocross.
I don’t like quadruple jumps, they scare my little weiner
Blind jumps
High speed blind approaches and gapped jumps. Especially when the flagger is looking at approaching riders rather than the landing zone.🙄
It's probably time to consider flagging stations as a 2 person job.
Blind landing jumps are pretty hairy. Especially on open track days when you have all types of riders who may not hit the jumps and just roll some of them. During race days there are generally better flaggers and riders are of the same skill set. I have had many an ass-pucker hitting a blind jump only to see someone who rolled it and I had no way of knowing they were there. It's a point of no return type of jump.
Mixing skill levels is always a recipe for disaster.
Lack of maintenance on the track.
In no particular order:
Crap on the side of the track.
Peaky gap jumps that have little room for error.
Ruts combined with jumps.
Sure be nice to have actual data.
There is really no reason to not be fixing kickers. Nothing is more egregious than when every rider knows about the kicker in the lip.
Here is a list.
Very rough 2nd moto conditions with kickers, ruts on jump faces, big holes.
Too fast of sections that are 4th and 5th gear.
Blind jumps with poor or no flagging.
Poorly designed jumps where some riders case jumps and bounce left or right into the line of a faster rider.
Tree being too close to a turn or jump causing a crash.
Poorly designed track entrance or exit causing crashes.
Track not policing rider skill or age allowing fast riders with slow riders.
Tracks not organized and riders ending up in the wrong practice or wrong race.
Here is an idea. The new safety lights are good but currently require people to turn on the lights. How about a group effort between MX Laps, Safety Light companies, and LitPro. The safety lights can use the MX Laps transponder to activate the safety lights if the transponder is still in the landing zone. This can be very accurate and the reason for LitPro is to modify the transponder so that it can be a Litpro tracking device thus giving riders another reason to own the transponders. So, in short tracks own safety lights designed to activate based upon the transponder and the transponder is used for scoring and Litpro also.
The entrance to a motocross track is the single most dangerous part.
I'll say it again so you can stop speculating.
It's jumps. And there has been actual studies on this by frensh federation.
FUCKING DUH
Pit Row
and also with a jet ski type wrist pull thing that plugs directly into the transponder that would trigger the lights if rider is separated from the bike.
It doesnt take a Phd to understand the risks, common sense helps (which is super rare in this sport I agree).
absolutely
Very rarely are jumps used to pass or make up time on a track. Lorocco's leap is cool but it's not what makes Redbud great. I would think it's more the dirt and wide turns.
I wouldn't be an advocate of taking jumps out of moto. There have been some really great layouts over the years that have made good safe racing and challenging for the riders.
I re-watched 2020 Loretta's when the pros raced it and the passing was phenomenal. I think racing could be safer/amazing if tracks would go more natural. Stop ripping 2 feet deep and flooding for prep. Set up more natural jumps (think skyshot and gravity cavity at Unadilla) get rid of stuff like the Fly 150 at Hangtown. Anything that coming up short = death should be taken out if we're being honest.
There actually is something a little more egregious. It's the same dangerous kicker that every rider on the track knows about on the lip in addition to the track owner, who decides not to fix the kicker because two out of 100 riders for the day (local fast kids) use the kicker to help them whip. True story
Yup, turns mine into button on a fur coat.
The pits. At least on the track everyone is going in the same direction.
First turn, start straight from the gate, and and blind jump on an open practice day.
All parts of the track are dangerous when there's more than ONE racer on the track!
Unfortunately, it's either Jump, or be Jumped is the mentality out there 🤨
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It's the parts after the entrance, that are covered in dirt, that are the most dangerous.
What if the rider is separate, but still in control?
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