Vialle returning to Europe with HRC?

motomike137 wrote:

Vialle better than RJ. I'm not so sure about that.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

RJ has 45 years of SX experience. Vialle won two championships in three years with no prior SX experience. Vialle is also a two time world MX champion...

RJ has 45 years of SX experience. 

Vialle won two championships in three years with no prior SX experience. 

Vialle is also a two time world MX champion. How many outdoor titles does RJ have again? 

RJ has a total of 4 outdoor wins. 

Nutellalord wrote:

Cooper was a hell of a lot more competitive during his time in the 250 class.  Yes Tom has one more championship than JCoop, but his...

Cooper was a hell of a lot more competitive during his time in the 250 class.  Yes Tom has one more championship than JCoop, but his sx performances haven’t been than great (yea ik he’s a 2x champ) he was outside the top 5 for majority of the sx season and he extremely hit and miss outdoors too.  Not seeing anything that would indicate him being better on a 450, ESPECIALLY in SX.

And it seems like he knows it too, or is at least concerned about it.  If he genuinely thought he’d be successful in the 450 class, he’d stay.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

He's better than RJ and RJ is doing pretty well on the 450 outdoors. Remains to be seen what he'll do in SX. Besides, would you stay...

He's better than RJ and RJ is doing pretty well on the 450 outdoors. Remains to be seen what he'll do in SX. 

Besides, would you stay put for less money or move back home for a bigger paycheck? 

Mavetism wrote:

Nope. He had some great 3 years in the US. He maybe didn't ride outdoors how we fans thought he would, but going back with two...

Nope. He had some great 3 years in the US. He maybe didn't ride outdoors how we fans thought he would, but going back with two SX titles is a big win. Sad that we couldn't watch him develop on the 450 in the US if the rumors are true, I think it would have fit him, but if he doesn't feel comfortable in the US anymore, then we really can't blame him. And I don't think he has to worry about money with HRC.

Do we think Vialles plan was always to go back to europe at some point or after his pro career?

 

Tumic wrote:

I think it’s clear that something never clicked during his time in the states. Yes, he got two SX titles that I think nobody including him self...

I think it’s clear that something never clicked during his time in the states. 

Yes, he got two SX titles that I think nobody including him self never thought that he would get. But with his struggles outdoors and his really good MXdN ride in France, I think he misses Europe and  maybe believe that it suits him better.

He banked in some good money in the states and I doubt that he would become a title contender in the 450 class in the US so why not go back to the GP’s if he can secure a well payed HRC ride.

kevinconnor wrote:

One question is, will anyone in the States other than Jett be a title contender?  Maybe Deegan next year...maybe. But everyone else is racing for 2nd...

One question is, will anyone in the States other than Jett be a title contender?  Maybe Deegan next year...maybe. But everyone else is racing for 2nd as long as Jett's in it. 

kevinconnor wrote:

I know health care is cheaper in Europe 

NorCal1975 wrote:

Not making a political statement, but taxes are MUCH higher in western Europe, especially if moving from Florida.... The company I work for has a lot...

Not making a political statement, but taxes are MUCH higher in western Europe, especially if moving from Florida.... The company I work for has a lot of European employees and I have seen the numbers over the years.  Someone making $1m in the US could take home as much as $200k more per year than someone making $1M in Europe, depending on the country you are comparing to.  Healthcare costs in the US would be a small expense for these guys on a percent of income basis, less than $1k per month for an ACA plan (assuming they are allowed to sign up for those)

kevinconnor wrote:

Yes, i agree. Unless he lives in Monaco ( like Geerts) where taxes are zero 

Sully wrote:

I think a lot of people thought the same thing about JCoop, too, and he’s not doing half bad considering the savages in the class currently. 

Nutellalord wrote:

Cooper was a hell of a lot more competitive during his time in the 250 class.  Yes Tom has one more championship than JCoop, but his...

Cooper was a hell of a lot more competitive during his time in the 250 class.  Yes Tom has one more championship than JCoop, but his sx performances haven’t been than great (yea ik he’s a 2x champ) he was outside the top 5 for majority of the sx season and he extremely hit and miss outdoors too.  Not seeing anything that would indicate him being better on a 450, ESPECIALLY in SX.

And it seems like he knows it too, or is at least concerned about it.  If he genuinely thought he’d be successful in the 450 class, he’d stay.

crusty_xx wrote:

Outside the top 5 for the majority of the SX season? When did that happen? lolHe's been outside the top 5 4 times in the last...

Outside the top 5 for the majority of the SX season? When did that happen? lol
He's been outside the top 5 4 times in the last 2 years. That includes a mud race DNF, a start crash that wasn't his fault and the race he wrapped the 24 title up in.
He had 6 podiums this season alone. Hammaker who people seem to think deserved the title had 3...

It's crazy how little credit this guy gets. Back to back 250 SX titles and people act like he'd be battling Chiz.

rym wrote:

You think GP riders work less days compared to SX/outdoor riders? 

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Gate drops! High-pressure gate drop days. Yes.

CPR wrote:

Go right ahead and count those gate drops.

MXMattii wrote:

Happening or not. Tom Vialle once said it wasn't his dream to go to the USA (when he still raced in Europe), but a few months...

Happening or not. Tom Vialle once said it wasn't his dream to go to the USA (when he still raced in Europe), but a few months later he became world champion for the second time and he was pointed out of the MX2 class. The KTM Group his 450 rides where all full and they almost wrung his arm to take the vacant 250 seat in the USA. He took the opportunity and you could say he made the best of it. In three seasons he finished 8th (his rookie season and stayed healthy) and he clinched two 250 supercross championships and outdoors he became 6th - 2nd and we will see where he will finish this outdoor season.

People who think he is worse then RJ is beyond me. He could and would be a top 10 rider in the outdoors and probably also indoors. He isn't flashy neither bloody fast but he stays on the bike and is always there to pick up the pieces, when other people like RJ and others drop their shizzle. But then again if he doesn't feel comfortable to jump on a 450 to race supercross, and he can return to the MXGP series and make equal or even more money, then there is no shame in doing so. I only see that the kid got twice pointed out the 250 series because he was a champ. Two MX2 championships ==> OUT (not the age limit), Two Regional 250 SX Championships ==> Out. 

The kid still needs to turn 25 this year, just remember that! He's not 28 to 30 like others in the 250 class...

About the taxes, as Frenchie he can't avoid taxes in Monaco. All French people keep paying French taxes, even if they become a Monaco resident. But that ain't a problem, you still have Andorra where they can go to avoid the taxes of their home country.

olds cool wrote:

Full disclosure, I skipped pg 4 of this thread in an effort to catch up on the topics I have any interest in but does anyone...

Full disclosure, I skipped pg 4 of this thread in an effort to catch up on the topics I have any interest in but does anyone have a real explanation why Gajser is out at Honda?  Doesn’t make sense to me.  He was more than likely on his way to another title before he got hurt.  Nothing against TV but I don’t see Honda hiring him for MXGP as an upgrade over a multi-time world champion that still is a title threat.  Somebody break it down for me in simple terms for my simple mind!  😎

Cortami79 wrote:

According to Lewis we have to wait on descisions by Herlings and Gajser. Two of the biggest names are free agents for next year. Cool to...

According to Lewis we have to wait on descisions by Herlings and Gajser. Two of the biggest names are free agents for next year. Cool to see this happening and Vialle being back in Europe definitely is good for the series. He rocked it in the USA for the past three years, you cannot deny that. Most interesting question is if Coenen brothers and de Wolf will get lucrative offers in the GP’s or will make the jump to the AMA to chase their supercross dreams. In the past I saw some takes of Benistant going to Star Racing, but there are no more updates given since.

In MXGP there are free spots at KTM, Husqvarna, Ducati, Yamaha, Honda and Kawasaki factory teams.. only signed factory riders (MXGP Class) I can recall being signed are Febvre, Reneaux and Haarup at Triumph

Cortami79 wrote:

According to Lewis we have to wait on descisions by Herlings and Gajser. Two of the biggest names are free agents for next year. Cool to...

According to Lewis we have to wait on descisions by Herlings and Gajser. Two of the biggest names are free agents for next year. Cool to see this happening and Vialle being back in Europe definitely is good for the series. He rocked it in the USA for the past three years, you cannot deny that. Most interesting question is if Coenen brothers and de Wolf will get lucrative offers in the GP’s or will make the jump to the AMA to chase their supercross dreams. In the past I saw some takes of Benistant going to Star Racing, but there are no more updates given since.

In MXGP there are free spots at KTM, Husqvarna, Ducati, Yamaha, Honda and Kawasaki factory teams.. only signed factory riders (MXGP Class) I can recall being signed are Febvre, Reneaux and Haarup at Triumph

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Coenen twins signed a two year extension with KTM to stay in MXGP with a third year option to move to the US. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

He's better than RJ and RJ is doing pretty well on the 450 outdoors. Remains to be seen what he'll do in SX. Besides, would you stay...

He's better than RJ and RJ is doing pretty well on the 450 outdoors. Remains to be seen what he'll do in SX. 

Besides, would you stay put for less money or move back home for a bigger paycheck? 

motomike137 wrote:

Vialle better than RJ. I'm not so sure about that.

prozach wrote:

RJ hasnt accomplished a fraction of what vialle has.  Other than more starts and way more crashes.  Plus he's been racing pro away longer.  

Sparkey wrote:

Not my opinion, just sharing what was mentioned in a podcast last week "with Gertz(sp?) flailing in mxgp, one has to wonder if the caliber of...

Not my opinion, just sharing what was mentioned in a podcast last week "with Gertz(sp?) flailing in mxgp, one has to wonder if the caliber of riders in mx2 when Tom won his two mx2 tiles against Gertz, was subpar"  

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Gate drops! High-pressure gate drop days. Yes.

CPR wrote:

Go right ahead and count those gate drops.

kevinconnor wrote:

They're about even. 20 GPs with 3 drops at each (2 motos plus qualifier race).  31 races with 2 drops at each (2 motos outdoors and...

They're about even. 20 GPs with 3 drops at each (2 motos plus qualifier race).  31 races with 2 drops at each (2 motos outdoors and a qualifier and main at sx). I think the fewer weekends in GPs are what's being referenced?

Sparkey wrote:

Not my opinion, just sharing what was mentioned in a podcast last week "with Gertz(sp?) flailing in mxgp, one has to wonder if the caliber of...

Not my opinion, just sharing what was mentioned in a podcast last week "with Gertz(sp?) flailing in mxgp, one has to wonder if the caliber of riders in mx2 when Tom won his two mx2 tiles against Gertz, was subpar"  

USA wrote:

Geerts just won a quali race against herlings, febvre and coenen. Not sure if you actually follow the series or not, but dont believe everything you...

Geerts just won a quali race against herlings, febvre and coenen. Not sure if you actually follow the series or not, but dont believe everything you hear.

USA wrote:

Geerts just won a quali race against herlings, febvre and coenen. Not sure if you actually follow the series or not, but dont believe everything you...

Geerts just won a quali race against herlings, febvre and coenen. Not sure if you actually follow the series or not, but dont believe everything you hear.

Beeby wrote:

It’s interesting watching how people talk about international riders coming to the U.S. Just a few years ago, when Team USA struggled at RedBud, the common...

It’s interesting watching how people talk about international riders coming to the U.S. Just a few years ago, when Team USA struggled at RedBud, the common narrative was, “Well, we focus on Supercross, while the Europeans focus on Motocross.”

Now Prado—an MX specialist—comes over, doesn’t dominate in his first year, and suddenly the tone shifts: “The U.S. is just faster.”

But where’s the same energy when Vialle, who had virtually no Supercross experience before coming here, beats the American Supercross specialists and wins two titles?

And why don’t we see threads questioning the U.S. riders getting beaten by someone new to the discipline? No talk of “panic buttons” there.

We might just find he found he would rather have multiple world titles to his name than a few regional ones after all ;-)
 

VHM wrote:

VHM wrote:

Pop Shmoke wrote:

Interesting. Is he playing around or is this to shut down the rumors and confirm hell be back next year on a 450?

VHM wrote:

Pop Shmoke wrote:

Interesting. Is he playing around or is this to shut down the rumors and confirm hell be back next year on a 450?

Mavetism wrote:

Maybe he is doing Southwick next year when it's an off weekend on the MXGP calendar. 😂😂Anyways, definitely gonna be interesting to watch now how it...

Maybe he is doing Southwick next year when it's an off weekend on the MXGP calendar. 😂😂

Anyways, definitely gonna be interesting to watch now how it turns out now..

Beeby wrote:

It’s interesting watching how people talk about international riders coming to the U.S. Just a few years ago, when Team USA struggled at RedBud, the common...

It’s interesting watching how people talk about international riders coming to the U.S. Just a few years ago, when Team USA struggled at RedBud, the common narrative was, “Well, we focus on Supercross, while the Europeans focus on Motocross.”

Now Prado—an MX specialist—comes over, doesn’t dominate in his first year, and suddenly the tone shifts: “The U.S. is just faster.”

But where’s the same energy when Vialle, who had virtually no Supercross experience before coming here, beats the American Supercross specialists and wins two titles?

And why don’t we see threads questioning the U.S. riders getting beaten by someone new to the discipline? No talk of “panic buttons” there.

We might just find he found he would rather have multiple world titles to his name than a few regional ones after all ;-)
 

Dan-The-Man wrote:

Tom did great to win two championships here. His great starts and a bit of luck is what got him there. I wouldn’t call the 250...

Tom did great to win two championships here. His great starts and a bit of luck is what got him there. I wouldn’t call the 250 east supercross specialists. I’d call that the entry to 250 supercross. It’s where the guys coming off injury race. He had 3 wins in 3 years, not exactly waxing the field.  Why would anyone be hitting the panic button.  It’s also a fact that America focuses more on SX than MX, take that however you want. Prado not doing well is many things and most people know that, you’re choosing to listen to the few goons.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

RJ has 45 years of SX experience. Vialle won two championships in three years with no prior SX experience. Vialle is also a two time world MX champion...

RJ has 45 years of SX experience. 

Vialle won two championships in three years with no prior SX experience. 

Vialle is also a two time world MX champion. How many outdoor titles does RJ have again? 

RJ has a total of 4 outdoor wins.