Barcia/Lawrence what really happened.

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3/31/2024 4:48am Edited Date/Time 3/31/2024 4:54am
TK40_FC wrote:
JT kind of said it on the show, the speed along with the angle just didn't really add up to a reasonable attempt to make something...

JT kind of said it on the show, the speed along with the angle just didn't really add up to a reasonable attempt to make something happen there.  The speed he ran into Jett was unreal... 

I like JB, but Im not sure what his plan was there. Jett at least seemed to fair better than Malcolm the last time JB ran into the side of someone. ( we hope )

JT has been a simp for the Lawrence camp since the beginning of outdoors last year. Barcia was clearly blocking Friese from coming up the inside...

JT has been a simp for the Lawrence camp since the beginning of outdoors last year. Barcia was clearly blocking Friese from coming up the inside

Barcia still came in too hot but it was a dumb move by Jett to turn down that hard on the first lap while being midpack

What do you suggest he does, run into Hunter instead that controls the race being in front? Hunter turns down sharp, Jett follows in his line.

Barcia is far behind. If he have to, he should give up his position to Friese. You can't head straight into trafic because you didn't go inside line in that corner to protect himself from Friese.

This situation could occur in every 180 corner for at least the first lap if everyone take that approach that Barcia took. That should say something.

(Edit: Friese made the inside corner, Barcia did not, he would have lost his position anyway)

100% Barcia.

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Most folks placed all of the blame on Stew here. My how times change.    

Most folks placed all of the blame on Stew here. My how times change.

 

 

The difference is that Barcia had an entire straightaway to make the turn. 

Tell me you don’t race without telling me you don’t race…

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3/31/2024 5:09am Edited Date/Time 3/31/2024 5:21am

It was preordained by track design that someone would get T boned in that corner. Imagine if you found the center point of the corner with a string and pivot point. If you put the track boundary bigger than the corner center, you have an "open" design that encourages T bones. If you put the boundary more toward the outside it discourages T bones as shown with the "virtual cone" I drew in below.

 

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3/31/2024 5:11am
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Most folks placed all of the blame on Stew here. My how times change.    

Most folks placed all of the blame on Stew here. My how times change.

 

 

The difference is that Barcia had an entire straightaway to make the turn. 

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Tell me you don’t race without telling me you don’t race…

Another one of these comments. So please, explain it for me. 

Stewart cuts down in a 180, coming off a triple into the corner. Dungey comes in already at a bad angle to make the turn but comes up short and off balance making it even more difficult to  get on the brakes to make the turn. You can see him adjust his position on the bike to slow up as much as he can. Stupid move by Dungey too, but it doesn't take away that a mistake in the section before attributed to the outcome.

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Another one of these comments. So please, explain it for me.  Stewart cuts down in a 180, coming off a triple into the corner. Dungey comes...

Another one of these comments. So please, explain it for me. 

Stewart cuts down in a 180, coming off a triple into the corner. Dungey comes in already at a bad angle to make the turn but comes up short and off balance making it even more difficult to  get on the brakes to make the turn. You can see him adjust his position on the bike to slow up as much as he can. Stupid move by Dungey too, but it doesn't take away that a mistake in the section before attributed to the outcome.

I always blamed Dungey for coming in hot. He was not protecting a line. Here I blame Jett for cutting under a rider who was already cutting down and closing off the corner. Bam Bam was protecting his line assuming he didn’t want to get Friesed.

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It's called racing.

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There's no way it was an intentional takeout by Barcia. Even though it was a bad move, we can understand why Jett would cut down early...

There's no way it was an intentional takeout by Barcia. Even though it was a bad move, we can understand why Jett would cut down early (unless we don't understand racing.) Does anyone know wtf Barcia's plan was going into that corner? As I stated in the race thread, he didn't get on the brakes hard until he saw Jett cut down. 

I don't think it was intentional either-if it was Friese I would think differently. In any case, Barcia came in waaaayyyy too fast to do anything but what he did, to anyone that was in the way. If no one was there he would have had a hard time making the corner by himself. Just poor race craft to me. I still don't get what he was trying to do there. And again, I don't care that it was Jett, could have been Chiz. 

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In my opinion if Vince wasn’t coming in hot to the inside of Barcia the incident could have been avoided or at least not as severe. 

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3/31/2024 6:50am

What we saw on TV and the one pic on here doesn't tell the story but does look like Hunter cut down and Jett cut down a lot more but without seeing what was going on behind Barcia don't think you can make a fair assessment?

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Just imagine if this was Deegan.

Maybe Jett's middle finger was damaged in the crash?

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3/31/2024 7:13am

Even if Jett comes out and says we're all good ,it was just racing ,we move on . There will still be people online who make it their life's work to let everyone know how wrong barcia was .

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3/31/2024 7:14am

Jett’s  turn down was overly aggressive, requiring him to back off the throttle. Barcia was charging and could have executed the corner, albeit somewhat awkwardly. Both made bone-headed decisions which hopefully don’t negatively impact the season. 

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Even if Jett comes out and says we're all good ,it was just racing ,we move on . There will still be people online who make...

Even if Jett comes out and says we're all good ,it was just racing ,we move on . There will still be people online who make it their life's work to let everyone know how wrong barcia was .

Read it somewhere Barcia talked to him after the race. Had his hand on Jett's shoulder and if you're reading body language he was probably apologizing

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3/31/2024 7:22am

Read it somewhere Barcia talked to him after the race. Had his hand on Jett's shoulder and if you're reading body language he was probably apologizing

I saw the video this morning and it looked like a civil conversation judging from body language ,no abrupt movements, no aggressive arm movements or helmets shaking violently while talking..

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3/31/2024 7:22am

I’ve watched it quite a few times.  Track layout had a lot to do with it.  Hunta took a similar approach as Jett just not as far inside.  Barcia wanted to square up in all together different part of the corner with VF doing the same but trying to get inside.  Corners like that are asking for trouble, but it just racing.

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3/31/2024 7:26am
TK40_FC wrote:
JT kind of said it on the show, the speed along with the angle just didn't really add up to a reasonable attempt to make something...

JT kind of said it on the show, the speed along with the angle just didn't really add up to a reasonable attempt to make something happen there.  The speed he ran into Jett was unreal... 

I like JB, but Im not sure what his plan was there. Jett at least seemed to fair better than Malcolm the last time JB ran into the side of someone. ( we hope )

zehn wrote:

He wasn't trying to pass Jett

Looks to me that Barcia is out front, just headed the wrong way.  Probably ready to perform a brake slide turn.

 

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3/31/2024 7:51am

Barcia's projected line

Looks like Jett's projected line to me but what do I know. Could be what Justin was expecting him to do, just sayin'.

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3/31/2024 7:52am

Turn down for what! 

Racing incident.  You shouldn't turn down like that in the first few corners and Barcia came in too hot.  Perfect storm. 

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3/31/2024 7:57am
Friese was like the ghost of ghostbusters.  He is everywhere. Look how he had an effect on everything. Even when he doesn’t do anything wrong, the...

Friese was like the ghost of ghostbusters.  He is everywhere. Look how he had an effect on everything. Even when he doesn’t do anything wrong, the freeze effect cannot be denied. 😂

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Barcia was thinking only of Friese because…game recognizes game.  It was like when Godzilla and King Kong are fighting in Tokyo.  Jett just happened to be...

Barcia was thinking only of Friese because…game recognizes game.  It was like when Godzilla and King Kong are fighting in Tokyo.  Jett just happened to be a building downtown.  Collateral damage.

They should put you in the booth, I love the analogy 😂

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3/31/2024 8:33am
aeffertz wrote:
I think JT gives a fair breakdown of this.       

I think JT gives a fair breakdown of this. 
 

 

 

Magoofan wrote:

JT's a huge Jett gurgler.....  

 

SoCalMX70 wrote:

So, you didn't watch it. Got it.

No I didn't.... because it's his normal M.O.       Even during the broadcast JT was blaming Barcia so I did not care to listen.

 

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Damn a couple more of those and the points gap is erased! Nice work Bam Bam!  Sarcasm alert, you dumb Aussies.

10% Barcia, 10% Jett, 80% Friese the way I see it.

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3/31/2024 9:05am
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I’ve watched it quite a few times.  Track layout had a lot to do with it.  Hunta took a similar approach as Jett just not as...

I’ve watched it quite a few times.  Track layout had a lot to do with it.  Hunta took a similar approach as Jett just not as far inside.  Barcia wanted to square up in all together different part of the corner with VF doing the same but trying to get inside.  Corners like that are asking for trouble, but it just racing.

Track layout? As in left hand turns? 🙄 But its just a random coincidence that the human pinball machine Justin "Bam Bam" Barcia was the one to deliver the mist violent t-bone in 5 years; while the rest of the field was able to manage the 'layout'.

You guys are so naive. 

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Damn a couple more of those and the points gap is erased! Nice work Bam Bam!  Sarcasm alert, you dumb Aussies. 10% Barcia, 10% Jett, 80%...

Damn a couple more of those and the points gap is erased! Nice work Bam Bam!  Sarcasm alert, you dumb Aussies.

10% Barcia, 10% Jett, 80% Friese the way I see it.

He never has that problem when he gets the start...

But then we get to listen to how unbeatable he is...

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3/31/2024 9:15am

Clearly was Hunter's fault. He was in Jett's way and slowing him down. Maybe Eli's fault too...who is he to get a holeshot???

Barcia, "Why was that Jett guy riding right in front of me like that! Geez!"

Could be track design. For sure, NOT Vince's fault. Come on people. 

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3/31/2024 9:16am

If Jett was not there Barcia would have easily made the pivot/slide turn...but Jett was there. Stuff happens.

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3/31/2024 9:17am
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Jett’s  turn down was overly aggressive, requiring him to back off the throttle. Barcia was charging and could have executed the corner, albeit somewhat awkwardly. Both...

Jett’s  turn down was overly aggressive, requiring him to back off the throttle. Barcia was charging and could have executed the corner, albeit somewhat awkwardly. Both made bone-headed decisions which hopefully don’t negatively impact the season. 

I tend to agree. His turn down even required the smoothest rider on the track to dab his foot. 

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