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2/25/2024 10:03am Edited Date/Time 2/25/2024 10:04am
Spudinki45 wrote:
One thing I’ve noticed about Deegan. He seems to be a lot more over the top on TV and pre-race Feld media/interviews than during regular media...

One thing I’ve noticed about Deegan. He seems to be a lot more over the top on TV and pre-race Feld media/interviews than during regular media interviews/press conferences. Almost as if he’s trying to put on a show for the “dumb” masses that watch his YouTube. And acts more mature for the “hardcore” fans that watch Racer X/Vital interviews. Take a look at how much more humble he is here:

https://youtu.be/Gt8k12OTjr4?si=rGa00tytu0lJcUVb
 

still rubs me the wrong way how he acts on TV, but it seems he has more maturity in him, he just chooses to be a dick for the clicks when everyone is watching

 

That video isn't 30 seconds after he just won his first Supercross race. His dumb little 18 year old self-centered emotionally retarded brain has had time...

That video isn't 30 seconds after he just won his first Supercross race. His dumb little 18 year old self-centered emotionally retarded brain has had time to chill the fuck out. 

Aside from him hurting your feelings and making you lose some sleep, what did he say in his podium interview that got your panties in such a bunch? He acknowledged the crash and said the exact same thing on the podium that he did in that interview. Life is tough bud, get a helmet, and don't let an 18-year-old make you cry again. You'll be alright. 

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Buddy sent me a screenshot of a text…broken transverse process on his I3 I4, broken scapula and bruised lungs. No surgery

Anyone have even a guess on these injuries and a timeline to be racing again?  I’m not a doctor and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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Austin’s dad provided an update which matched the text I received. No surgery which is good. 

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We can only build 9 whoops but let’s build this hump you have to wheelie wide fucking open, then for shits and giggles let’s put a...

We can only build 9 whoops but let’s build this hump you have to wheelie wide fucking open, then for shits and giggles let’s put a knuckle on the landing. Again, I hate sport sometimes. 

This. 

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DoctorJD wrote:

God damn dude, this isn't 1990. Have you worn modern body armor?

Have YOU seen what they wear?  It’s nothing more than a beer coozie worth of padding spread out. Thats IF they use one with back or shoulder protection, most don’t. What - are you new!!

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Good thing Forkner wasn't racing a Stark Varg, because they have 80 horsepower and his crash would have been much worse and might have killed him.  Motocross bikes should stay 250 and 450 Internal combustion engines forever, because faster Electric bikes are going to kill someone and even be a danger to fans in the stands. 

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Stomach went into my throat when I saw it happen. I hate seeing any rider that lines up , go down like that. Austin has been riding incredible. I think that wreck probably damaged his confidence, as much as it did his body. Really hope it's not a serious injury. 

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mxracer71 wrote:
So let me Right….:so they wanted 9 whoops as a starting point to keep guys safe but let’s have a 4th gear on it,wheelie over a...

So let me Right….:so they wanted 9 whoops as a starting point to keep guys safe but let’s have a 4th gear on it,wheelie over a hump to jump over a table with such a tight lip right after it,there is no room for air,then the bottomed is all “g” out .  He should have been on a backboard instead of walking. He was clearly in a lot of pain and you don’t know what injuries anyone has untill there are scans. Adrenaline hides a lot.

spimx wrote:

Backboard is not the best, there is no evidence that backboards are beneficial and some evidence that they do harm. Forkner may have refused the backboard 

Oldstyle wrote:
Are you EMS? Not being a dick just curious. But how could walking off be more beneficial than a back board? I’m not even talking about...

Are you EMS? Not being a dick just curious. But how could walking off be more beneficial than a back board? I’m not even talking about only Forkner’s incident specifically but that seems like an odd claim.

i always thought immobilization was best 🤷‍♂️.

Paramedic 13 years and BS of EMS, Walking them around more than they need to is not good. But the cot Is better than the backboard. Best thing to do is the scoop stretcher. Maybe a stokes basket or just a regular cot. Nobody needs to be sitting up with a c caller 

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Spudinki45 wrote:
One thing I’ve noticed about Deegan. He seems to be a lot more over the top on TV and pre-race Feld media/interviews than during regular media...

One thing I’ve noticed about Deegan. He seems to be a lot more over the top on TV and pre-race Feld media/interviews than during regular media interviews/press conferences. Almost as if he’s trying to put on a show for the “dumb” masses that watch his YouTube. And acts more mature for the “hardcore” fans that watch Racer X/Vital interviews. Take a look at how much more humble he is here:

https://youtu.be/Gt8k12OTjr4?si=rGa00tytu0lJcUVb
 

still rubs me the wrong way how he acts on TV, but it seems he has more maturity in him, he just chooses to be a dick for the clicks when everyone is watching

 

That video isn't 30 seconds after he just won his first Supercross race. His dumb little 18 year old self-centered emotionally retarded brain has had time...

That video isn't 30 seconds after he just won his first Supercross race. His dumb little 18 year old self-centered emotionally retarded brain has had time to chill the fuck out. 

Aside from him hurting your feelings and making you lose some sleep, what did he say in his podium interview that got your panties in such...

Aside from him hurting your feelings and making you lose some sleep, what did he say in his podium interview that got your panties in such a bunch? He acknowledged the crash and said the exact same thing on the podium that he did in that interview. Life is tough bud, get a helmet, and don't let an 18-year-old make you cry again. You'll be alright. 

Not everyone is a true badass like yourself. We all aspire to be though.

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Thanks for the update pops, he’ll be back on top soon.

I can barely function in my day to day with only one contact, riding SX with one would be unthinkable for me

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2/25/2024 10:36am Edited Date/Time 2/25/2024 10:42am
joshd wrote:
We can only build 9 whoops but let’s build this hump you have to wheelie wide fucking open, then for shits and giggles let’s put a...

We can only build 9 whoops but let’s build this hump you have to wheelie wide fucking open, then for shits and giggles let’s put a knuckle on the landing. Again, I hate sport sometimes. 

Harv379 wrote:

This. 

I have rewatched the race and I swear there are a lot of riders that hit the table top almost the exact same.  I cringed , after seeing Forkner’s crash, almost every time someone hit it similar.  Sexton looked like he hit the same spot at the same angle with about 6 minutes to go in the 450s.  Hunter same at 3:30 left.  I feel like minor suspension setting differences may be the difference between riding through it or being ejected.  I don’t get why they think this setup and landing was better than a dragon’s back that they quit making.  All they had to do is taper the landing more on the back side of the table top to keep the speed the same but make the landing much safer.

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drvnfast wrote:
My concern would be the foam, rubber or whatever would be more "sticky". The one benefit of the concrete is that once you hit it you...

My concern would be the foam, rubber or whatever would be more "sticky". The one benefit of the concrete is that once you hit it you slide across it. It won't grab your visor or helmet and rip your head off. 

Agreed, i crash on tarmac, it doesnt grab you like soft stuff. Its a bit late in the day to point out something that has been obvious since 1974.

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If riders won’t even wear chest protectors, do you honestly believe you can talk them into wearing an inflatable plastic vest under their jersey?

Spoonguy wrote:
Things need to be done. Like mandatory safety equipment for riders, like mandatory safety requirements for the tracks, this shit is getting ridiculous. The powers that...

Things need to be done. Like mandatory safety equipment for riders, like mandatory safety requirements for the tracks, this shit is getting ridiculous. The powers that be and many fans quote the obvious, "this sport has always been dangerous". What a bunch of shit, any sport as it evolves should become safer as time goes on. 

kbsci wrote:
I did a little bit of Googling and from what I can find, ONE person, Jason Ciarletta, has died from injuries, during 50 years of...

I did a little bit of Googling and from what I can find, ONE person, Jason Ciarletta, has died from injuries, during 50 years of Supercross. MotoGP/World Grand Prix has lost 31 riders during the same time period, with most of those being in the 70s and 80s and only a handful since then.

There IS mandatory safety equipment for riders and the track, and it's improving all the time. Top of mind:
- Whatever MIPS technology is in Forkner's helmet probably helped a lot last night.
- When Even Ferry hit the wall at Detroit, it was padded and not concrete or wood (which could break and impale).
- Most of the time when a rider lands body-first on a Tuff Block, they're better off than if they'd hit the ground.
- The Steve Matthes Memorial Nets have kept people from launching over corners.

There are some counterintuitive arguments to be made about safety as well:
- A more powerful bike has meant fewer riders are casing triples and are able to "throttle out" of more sketchy situations.
- Safety equipment allows a person to push the envelope of recklessness. Put these guys in sneakers and bicycle helmets and I bet the riding will change. Just like how if you take helmets out of the NFL you'll see a lot less head-to-head hits.

My point: Austin's massive wreck came from pushing the limits of his bike, his technique and the track. These guys had the option of landing in the flat and then jumping over the gap he was trying to downside. It would be slower, but that's the whole thing: in racing (motocross, motorcycles, cars, boats, downhill skis, etc.) skill is shown by being able to go fast without losing control. Most of us didn't get to this level because we can't navigate corners, ruts or fly through the air fast enough without crashing. This part of the sport will never go away, and it's not realistic to think every single thing can be padded and safe. It's a dangerous sport because Earth is harder than our bones and we tempt it with high speeds and gravity.

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Consider me proven wrong then, you are correct, the sport has been made as safe as it can ever be. MIPS is about as far as it goes then.

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Skuzzy29 wrote:
   
 

 

Tough situation for Austin, leading with a missing contact.
So glad he's discharged and best wishes for a speedy recovery.

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Pirate421 wrote:
I’ve been an EMT for 6 years and idt I would have him walking in a c-collar after that. They had a backboard right next to...

I’ve been an EMT for 6 years and idt I would have him walking in a c-collar after that. They had a backboard right next to him. Something about the Alpinestars medical crew gives me bad vibes. It’s a race and it’s also this kid’s life. Red flag it if you have doubts don’t make him walk to the mule jfc.

brings me back to Brian moreau and “do no harm” as a thing we preach

aledei wrote:
You are absolutely right!  They will never learn! Anyone with half a brain knows that after such a spinal contusion you have to stabilize the patient...

You are absolutely right! 
They will never learn! Anyone with half a brain knows that after such a spinal contusion you have to stabilize the patient in a horizontal position! 
Never, ever make him sit or walk.  There is a danger of compromising the cord as they have done before (see Brian and others).
They would be reportable and if they are doctors ban them from practicing for incompetence

When I fractured my C2/5/6 I was transported in a sitting position in the ambulance.  And they even thought I may have had a step off injury (dislocated vertebra &nbspWink at T1.   The device was like a back board but I was in the sitting position.  So every accident is different. Not going to second guess from my living room.  
 

sending good thoughts for Austin though. Dude wants to race and win, not sit on the sidelines healing. This sport is rough on all of us at time. I can only imagine having that talent level and not be able to accomplish all that he wants to and is capable of. 

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A couple things I’ve noticed about Austin this year:


Whatever him and Ryno were doing was working

He’s grown a lot this year

His speed and racecraft are unquestionable 

His ability to bounce back from injury and get up to speed is amazing. Doug Henry and Trey Canard come to mind

Even with his history, I’d sign him to a 450 in a heartbeat.  Too bad I don’t have a 450 team.

He’s used up all his bad luck I think some good luck is coming his way

A couple more laps and I was just about thinking CShip for him this year…….again - I wish RC would just stop pumping guys up when they’re coming back from injury. Austin shut down Deegans charge and started gapping him all smooth and in control with just a couple laps left and RC starts yapping. STFU! RC, then sure enough 

I hope he didn’t break too big a piece off this time cause I’d love to see him come back and get this monkey off his back - or just hang up the boots and start making babies. Whatever makes him happy

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PFitzG38 wrote:
A couple things I’ve noticed about Austin this year: Whatever him and Ryno were doing was working He’s grown a lot this year His speed and...

A couple things I’ve noticed about Austin this year:


Whatever him and Ryno were doing was working

He’s grown a lot this year

His speed and racecraft are unquestionable 

His ability to bounce back from injury and get up to speed is amazing. Doug Henry and Trey Canard come to mind

Even with his history, I’d sign him to a 450 in a heartbeat.  Too bad I don’t have a 450 team.

He’s used up all his bad luck I think some good luck is coming his way

A couple more laps and I was just about thinking CShip for him this year…….again - I wish RC would just stop pumping guys up when they’re coming back from injury. Austin shut down Deegans charge and started gapping him all smooth and in control with just a couple laps left and RC starts yapping. STFU! RC, then sure enough 

I hope he didn’t break too big a piece off this time cause I’d love to see him come back and get this monkey off his back - or just hang up the boots and start making babies. Whatever makes him happy

Couldn't agree more.

He changed his line mid race when it wasn't working in the whoops,  and was making time again.

 

Hope he can stay mentally strong.

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Having Ryno in his corner was a huge tick in the right direction and he knows that. Luckily no surgery and he can come back and he will be right back to technique training. I think as he comes back this will give Charles Dao more time to get him back 100%. Man that was hard to watch, but damn the kid has heart. 

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petef930 wrote:

At least he made it to round 2 this season 

cbarber wrote:
This sport and life in general,  could do without assholes like you.  Serious question petef930, what do you get personally out of being a dick? Do...

This sport and life in general,  could do without assholes like you. 

Serious question petef930, what do you get personally out of being a dick? Do you feel better about yourself? I don't understand this mentality.

He is right. We are sick of fake kindness like we can read here. No one cares and not even forkner. Stfu you are disgusting saying...

He is right. We are sick of fake kindness like we can read here. No one cares and not even forkner.

Stfu you are disgusting saying you are gutted for him and praying. 

 

This may come as a shock to someone like you, but most people are actually capable of empathy

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Maybe Feld needs to look at this type of obstacle going forward.

 

GWS Austin.

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No surgery, Thats Huge!

Heal up Austin, Hope to see you on the bike again.

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Losing a contact can really fuck up your depth perception...I used to race with contacts and every now and then I would lose one and it made it almost impossible to ride, I would end up closing the eye without the contact just so I could have some depth perception.

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Glad to hear it's not worse after the way that looked. I'm kinda surprised the medic crew didn't use the back board for Austin after that wreck. 

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2/25/2024 11:19am Edited Date/Time 2/25/2024 11:30am
PFitzG38 wrote:
A couple things I’ve noticed about Austin this year: Whatever him and Ryno were doing was working He’s grown a lot this year His speed and...

A couple things I’ve noticed about Austin this year:


Whatever him and Ryno were doing was working

He’s grown a lot this year

His speed and racecraft are unquestionable 

His ability to bounce back from injury and get up to speed is amazing. Doug Henry and Trey Canard come to mind

Even with his history, I’d sign him to a 450 in a heartbeat.  Too bad I don’t have a 450 team.

He’s used up all his bad luck I think some good luck is coming his way

A couple more laps and I was just about thinking CShip for him this year…….again - I wish RC would just stop pumping guys up when they’re coming back from injury. Austin shut down Deegans charge and started gapping him all smooth and in control with just a couple laps left and RC starts yapping. STFU! RC, then sure enough 

I hope he didn’t break too big a piece off this time cause I’d love to see him come back and get this monkey off his back - or just hang up the boots and start making babies. Whatever makes him happy

Agreed.  One thing I didn’t like seeing from Austin.  At 2:45, on the triple into the 180 right before the finish line jump and 15 seconds before the crash, he looks back to see where Deegan is or something.  I screamed at the tv “focus forward!”  ….and no…I’m not telling a pro that could lap me in 2 laps how to ride…but if you are looking back then you are not 100% focus forward on hitting marks as perfect as you can.  My heart breaks for him.  I hope he is back racing soon.  This is a much better series with him.

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2/25/2024 11:25am Edited Date/Time 2/25/2024 11:26am

So glad he’s going to be alright. My wife and I were horrified when we saw it happen, hands over our mouths for the rest of the main until they showed him standing. From memory, this was up there with Alessi getting ran over multiple times at Red Bud as one of the worst incidents I’ve ever seen.

As far as the concrete goes, not sure what they can do about it but I hope they can figure something out. Webb landing on his ass a few years ago was rough to watch, too.

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Agreed.  One thing I didn’t like seeing from Austin.  At 2:45, on the triple into the 180 right before the finish line jump and 15 seconds...

Agreed.  One thing I didn’t like seeing from Austin.  At 2:45, on the triple into the 180 right before the finish line jump and 15 seconds before the crash, he looks back to see where Deegan is or something.  I screamed at the tv “focus forward!”  ….and no…I’m not telling a pro that could lap me in 2 laps how to ride…but if you are looking back then you are not 100% focus forward on hitting marks as perfect as you can.  My heart breaks for him.  I hope he is back racing soon.  This is a much better series with him.

"I’m not telling a pro that could lap me in 2 laps how to ride…but"

You just did...

Nothing wrong with a peek at your competition to manage the gap. Might've missed his pitboard. Don't listen to that guy who says someone in 2nd place "is in the perfect position" so much. 

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Thanks for this. Pretty good injuries there , but no surgery , and he'll heal up. Could of been way worse. 

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spimx wrote:

Backboard is not the best, there is no evidence that backboards are beneficial and some evidence that they do harm. Forkner may have refused the backboard 

Oldstyle wrote:
Are you EMS? Not being a dick just curious. But how could walking off be more beneficial than a back board? I’m not even talking about...

Are you EMS? Not being a dick just curious. But how could walking off be more beneficial than a back board? I’m not even talking about only Forkner’s incident specifically but that seems like an odd claim.

i always thought immobilization was best 🤷‍♂️.

spimx wrote:
Paramedic 13 years and BS of EMS, Walking them around more than they need to is not good. But the cot Is better than the backboard...

Paramedic 13 years and BS of EMS, Walking them around more than they need to is not good. But the cot Is better than the backboard. Best thing to do is the scoop stretcher. Maybe a stokes basket or just a regular cot. Nobody needs to be sitting up with a c caller 

Gotcha, I didn’t know you were differentiating between cot vs. backboard etc and were advocating for getting them up and moving them. Thanks for the clarification 🫡

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