I pretty much changed the sport .

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Revolutionary training tool. All yours for the low price of $1599 USD.     

Revolutionary training tool. All yours for the low price of $1599 USD. 

 

 

Bailey had this at his shop 30 years ago…

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If someone actually has changed a sport or industry then others will report on it. 

If you find that you are the only one making these statements about yourself then it's probably best to shut the fuck up.

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A few thoughts... Ryno is a man who beats to his own drum. That comes with good and bad, no doubt everyone has faults. With that said, when it comes to moto the guy is correct. He was the first one talking about unlocking your hips and riding through your legs properly. To me, he spoke the truth on that subject wack job or not. He clearly knows the sport and he knows how to help riders get better 

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2/6/2024 11:01am Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 11:02am

If you want to give credit where credit is due, you must look at the rider who kind of started it all, Joel Robert.  He was as smooth as could be an stood in the corners more than anyone, (but he had to because the bikes were shit)  Even the great Marty Tripes, who kind of scrubbed way back in the early 70s, rode smooth and on his feet, has said he copied the great Joel Robert. The technique was there, but for decades I believe we made it seem as if the greats were just that much better at riding compared to unique technique.  Robert, Trips, Kent Howerton (slipping clutch) Everts, JMB, Lechien, Villopoto, Sexton, J Lawrence. They had/have a technique that made them look effortless when they rode. Now they are trying to teach it. Some thought Ryno was nuts with how he was teaching this technique some time ago, now it's what everyone is trying to learn. Was he before his time like Jolt Cola was before Red Bull and Monster - Maybe?  

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Don't know him, can't judge however - he's driven, passionate, and has the courage of his convictions. He's made a career out of what he loves. ...

Don't know him, can't judge however - he's driven, passionate, and has the courage of his convictions. He's made a career out of what he loves.   

I'll respect that.  

This right here and I'll also add he's pushed through some significant injuries that would have made 90% of us here walk away form the sport altogether. 

We all have are faults, but Ryan has always been 100% heart, and after all these years he's still passionate about riding and trying to contribute back to the sport. 

To create a thread to highlight something questionable he said is pretty weak.

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JB 19 wrote:
I think there is a misconception that people have been riding dirt bikes forever by standing on the pegs, and they have,  but mostly not in...

I think there is a misconception that people have been riding dirt bikes forever by standing on the pegs, and they have,  but mostly not in the way that the new school is.   Basically balls of your feet with your butt pointed directly backwards, knees over the pegs and back straight.   That's a pretty new thing.   Even Ryno didn't ride that way 25 years ago.  The only guy that really did was Everts.  I've wondered if Ryan learned that from racing in Europe and watching Everts. 

RC went faster than he should have been able to just off of brute strength, which is a cheat code in itself and may be the only way to consistently beat Jett.  

For extra credit watch some old videos of JMB and notice how similar the knee placement and arm position is to Jett. 

I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face (as scary as it sounds) worked exactly like a seat bounce with less effort. He was all about straight flat back and not tucking your butt in. 

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Crazy old man Hughes? Who cares...

His Rider Won Saturday night so........ I would say he holds some credibility. 

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JB 19 wrote:
I think there is a misconception that people have been riding dirt bikes forever by standing on the pegs, and they have,  but mostly not in...

I think there is a misconception that people have been riding dirt bikes forever by standing on the pegs, and they have,  but mostly not in the way that the new school is.   Basically balls of your feet with your butt pointed directly backwards, knees over the pegs and back straight.   That's a pretty new thing.   Even Ryno didn't ride that way 25 years ago.  The only guy that really did was Everts.  I've wondered if Ryan learned that from racing in Europe and watching Everts. 

RC went faster than he should have been able to just off of brute strength, which is a cheat code in itself and may be the only way to consistently beat Jett.  

For extra credit watch some old videos of JMB and notice how similar the knee placement and arm position is to Jett. 

Jbulz wrote:
I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face...

I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face (as scary as it sounds) worked exactly like a seat bounce with less effort. He was all about straight flat back and not tucking your butt in. 

Locking knees on a jump face sounds gnarrr. I’m gonna try it. 

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Crazy old man Hughes? Who cares...

526 wrote:

His Rider Won Saturday night so........ I would say he holds some credibility. 

Yeah, not like he ever won before or anything, .

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2/6/2024 1:10pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 1:11pm

i don't like how he took the liberty to post his own rider's (or anybody's) balls on social media. assuming he didn't ask. screams sociopath to me. he repeats himself alot too. 

watching him ride at lorettas on the honda a cpl years ago was great tho. perfect form. 

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SoCalMX70 wrote:

Crazy old man Hughes? Who cares...

526 wrote:

His Rider Won Saturday night so........ I would say he holds some credibility. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Yeah, not like he ever won before or anything, .

I'm also not saying he has zero credibility anyway. He just says some crazy shit from time to time where you can laugh about it... Not turn it into a big debate.

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JB 19 wrote:
I think there is a misconception that people have been riding dirt bikes forever by standing on the pegs, and they have,  but mostly not in...

I think there is a misconception that people have been riding dirt bikes forever by standing on the pegs, and they have,  but mostly not in the way that the new school is.   Basically balls of your feet with your butt pointed directly backwards, knees over the pegs and back straight.   That's a pretty new thing.   Even Ryno didn't ride that way 25 years ago.  The only guy that really did was Everts.  I've wondered if Ryan learned that from racing in Europe and watching Everts. 

RC went faster than he should have been able to just off of brute strength, which is a cheat code in itself and may be the only way to consistently beat Jett.  

For extra credit watch some old videos of JMB and notice how similar the knee placement and arm position is to Jett. 

Jbulz wrote:
I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face...

I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face (as scary as it sounds) worked exactly like a seat bounce with less effort. He was all about straight flat back and not tucking your butt in. 

From that 1990s Gary Bailey beginner's instructional video posted earlier in the thread:

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VitalMx changed the sport

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I know the exact interview. He broke down Dungey, Villopoto, Stewart, and Reeds technique. In was during the 2011 sx season when it was that 4-way...

I know the exact interview. He broke down Dungey, Villopoto, Stewart, and Reeds technique. In was during the 2011 sx season when it was that 4-way battle. He was big on RV riding on the balls of his feet and I don't think Stewart did

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If you watch his kx125 days you see that Stewart is on the front of the foot on the peg. I think Carmichael did it already...

If you watch his kx125 days you see that Stewart is on the front of the foot on the peg. I think Carmichael did it already as well. But maybe adopted from Stewart.

Ok I'm thinking of a different critique he had for Stewart then. I'd love to go back and find that Ryno interview. I know Keefer had...

Ok I'm thinking of a different critique he had for Stewart then. I'd love to go back and find that Ryno interview. I know Keefer had a tweet or a comment on Instagram recently where he's was talking about riding on the balls of your feet. I'm gonna to butcher what he said but it was basically, look you can still go fast even if you don't ride on the balls of your feet. RC commented on his post and said he spent his entire career not riding on the balls of his feet

The new riding technique is riding on your balls, as demonstrated by Cameron McAdoo.

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2/6/2024 3:11pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 3:15pm
SoCalMX70 wrote:

Crazy old man Hughes? Who cares...

526 wrote:

His Rider Won Saturday night so........ I would say he holds some credibility. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Yeah, not like he ever won before or anything, .

Note: Austin Forkner has the chance to become the winningest rider in 250/125 SX history this year.

He currently sits tied for 3rd all-time in career wins:

1. Stew-  18

2. Ramsey - 15

3. Forkner, Mcgrath - 13

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Seatless motos were never to encourage standing everywhere. That’s why when you put it back on you started sitting again. It was to teach balance and...

Seatless motos were never to encourage standing everywhere. That’s why when you put it back on you started sitting again. It was to teach balance and control. Coaches never ever ever were talking about standing through deep ruts and such. Find a reputable coach on YouTube mentioning it in any video before 2017-2018 and post it. 

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I took a riding class in 2006 with Gary Bailey. He had a straightaway/sweeper, separate from the main track, that was footpeg-deep ruts for what seemed...

I took a riding class in 2006 with Gary Bailey. He had a straightaway/sweeper, separate from the main track, that was footpeg-deep ruts for what seemed like forever. This was left rough and rutty specifically for the MX school. He preached about standing up, looking ahead, and being smooth on the throttle. If we sat down, dabbed a foot, got caught staring at the front fender, took a finger off the clutch, or tipped over we had to circle back and do it again...twice in a row. Did I mention it was raining?

You must be new to the sport. Standing up through ruts has been a thing for a long time, especially in Europe.

I was literally preaching Gary Bailey in the thread a couple days ago talking about him. But yeah, brand new to the sport... what a stupid defense.

But once again, Ryno has been preaching standing through everything (not just an occasional corner) forever.

I clearly state ryno started nothing (just promoted it the best). But he was I would greatly consider 1 of 3 mainstream trainers who has preached it for over 20 years. The rest just followed suit afterwards.

if you are one of the first to preach a style that has overtaken the sport, you had an impact on the sport. Not everyone has to have Bubba levels of influence to be considered a pioneer of something.

Dumbasses like you will also state that JoJo Keller created the scrub 45 years ago because you don't understand the mechanics of the scrub.

 

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526 wrote:

His Rider Won Saturday night so........ I would say he holds some credibility. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Yeah, not like he ever won before or anything, .

Note: Austin Forkner has the chance to become the winningest rider in 250/125 SX history this year. He currently sits tied for 3rd all-time in career...

Note: Austin Forkner has the chance to become the winningest rider in 250/125 SX history this year.

He currently sits tied for 3rd all-time in career wins:

1. Stew-  18

2. Ramsey - 15

3. Forkner, Mcgrath - 13

Jett also has 13 wins in 205/125 SX.

I lost track, how many 250/125 SX titles does Forkner have?

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2/6/2024 3:35pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 3:59pm
JB 19 wrote:
I think there is a misconception that people have been riding dirt bikes forever by standing on the pegs, and they have,  but mostly not in...

I think there is a misconception that people have been riding dirt bikes forever by standing on the pegs, and they have,  but mostly not in the way that the new school is.   Basically balls of your feet with your butt pointed directly backwards, knees over the pegs and back straight.   That's a pretty new thing.   Even Ryno didn't ride that way 25 years ago.  The only guy that really did was Everts.  I've wondered if Ryan learned that from racing in Europe and watching Everts. 

RC went faster than he should have been able to just off of brute strength, which is a cheat code in itself and may be the only way to consistently beat Jett.  

For extra credit watch some old videos of JMB and notice how similar the knee placement and arm position is to Jett. 

Jbulz wrote:
I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face...

I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face (as scary as it sounds) worked exactly like a seat bounce with less effort. He was all about straight flat back and not tucking your butt in. 

From that 1990s Gary Bailey beginner's instructional video posted earlier in the thread:

From that 1990s Gary Bailey beginner's instructional video posted earlier in the thread:

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Attack position has existed for 40 years and never changed the sport That's all gary bailey is demonstrating there. I took a Gary Bailey class and also purchased most of his DVD's. He's of the pioneers of modern technique. BUT he never preached standing through every corner like Ryno did. Sure, the odd sweeper he would say to try standing through, and definitely recommend standing everywhere in stand, but never would he say to stand through tight 180's, off cambers, etc. Like ryno has preached and we now see all the time. 

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2/6/2024 3:38pm Edited Date/Time 2/6/2024 3:38pm
Jbulz wrote:
I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face...

I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face (as scary as it sounds) worked exactly like a seat bounce with less effort. He was all about straight flat back and not tucking your butt in. 

From that 1990s Gary Bailey beginner's instructional video posted earlier in the thread:

From that 1990s Gary Bailey beginner's instructional video posted earlier in the thread:

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studworx wrote:
Attack position has existed for 40 years and never changed the sport That's all gary bailey is demonstrating there. I took a Gary Bailey class and...

Attack position has existed for 40 years and never changed the sport That's all gary bailey is demonstrating there. I took a Gary Bailey class and also purchased most of his DVD's. He's of the pioneers of modern technique. BUT he never preached standing through every corner like Ryno did. Sure, the odd sweeper he would say to try standing through, and definitely recommend standing everywhere in stand, but never would he say to stand through tight 180's, off cambers, etc. Like ryno has preached and we now see all the time. 

That was response to this statement by JB 19:

"I think there is a misconception that people have been riding dirt bikes forever by standing on the pegs, and they have,  but mostly not in the way that the new school is.   Basically balls of your feet with your butt pointed directly backwards, knees over the pegs and back straight.   That's a pretty new thing. "

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He’s different for sure but he has been harping on this technique for a long time. 
 

He is the first person I know of that was able to explain in a way the masses can understand, or that I could understand. 
 

Some of the responses here are just brutal, yes he is different but he probably reads this and has feelings. 

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There was a satire post a few decades back about an energy drink called Rino (ceros) adrenaline. Spoofing Ryno. Was pretty humorous. Somebody did artwork and text on a 12 oz aluminum can

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studworx wrote:
Hmm, in that sense his straight back, hips out technique is exactly what we see being pushed. So is he wrong? He didn't originate it but...

Hmm, in that sense his straight back, hips out technique is exactly what we see being pushed. So is he wrong? He didn't originate it but was the first coach to push it

No he isn’t. Literally every coach pushes this and has been since riding coaches were a thing. 

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That’s just literally not true. Standing through everything was never taught until a few years ago. Ryno had pushed that for ages. Like I said, he...

That’s just literally not true. Standing through everything was never taught until a few years ago. Ryno had pushed that for ages. Like I said, he didn’t originate anything. But he pushed it as a coach first. 

They did at the Suzuki school of MX.  At Carlsbad.   Early 80's

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studworx wrote:
Attack position has existed for 40 years and never changed the sport That's all gary bailey is demonstrating there. I took a Gary Bailey class and...

Attack position has existed for 40 years and never changed the sport That's all gary bailey is demonstrating there. I took a Gary Bailey class and also purchased most of his DVD's. He's of the pioneers of modern technique. BUT he never preached standing through every corner like Ryno did. Sure, the odd sweeper he would say to try standing through, and definitely recommend standing everywhere in stand, but never would he say to stand through tight 180's, off cambers, etc. Like ryno has preached and we now see all the time. 

Everyone’s dad when they first started riding preached stand up through everything. What are you even talking about man?? You’re either new to the sport and really love ryno or just clueless. 

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A few thoughts... Ryno is a man who beats to his own drum. That comes with good and bad, no doubt everyone has faults. With that...

A few thoughts... Ryno is a man who beats to his own drum. That comes with good and bad, no doubt everyone has faults. With that said, when it comes to moto the guy is correct. He was the first one talking about unlocking your hips and riding through your legs properly. To me, he spoke the truth on that subject wack job or not. He clearly knows the sport and he knows how to help riders get better 

Could you please explain what unlocking your hips means 

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Rynos tight lol

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Zycki11 wrote:
A few thoughts... Ryno is a man who beats to his own drum. That comes with good and bad, no doubt everyone has faults. With that...

A few thoughts... Ryno is a man who beats to his own drum. That comes with good and bad, no doubt everyone has faults. With that said, when it comes to moto the guy is correct. He was the first one talking about unlocking your hips and riding through your legs properly. To me, he spoke the truth on that subject wack job or not. He clearly knows the sport and he knows how to help riders get better 

zehn wrote:

Could you please explain what unlocking your hips means 

When the ol hips are locked in, just unlock them. Not much to it. Ryno probably got it from Happy Gilmore, “it’s all in the hips, it’s all in the hips” 

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A few thoughts... Ryno is a man who beats to his own drum. That comes with good and bad, no doubt everyone has faults. With that...

A few thoughts... Ryno is a man who beats to his own drum. That comes with good and bad, no doubt everyone has faults. With that said, when it comes to moto the guy is correct. He was the first one talking about unlocking your hips and riding through your legs properly. To me, he spoke the truth on that subject wack job or not. He clearly knows the sport and he knows how to help riders get better 

zehn wrote:

Could you please explain what unlocking your hips means 

The Lock Picking Lawyer will explain it to you!

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Jbulz wrote:
I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face...

I took a Gary Bailey class in 2011 and he was 100% teaching this.  Had a great demo where locking your knees on a jump face (as scary as it sounds) worked exactly like a seat bounce with less effort. He was all about straight flat back and not tucking your butt in. 

From that 1990s Gary Bailey beginner's instructional video posted earlier in the thread:

From that 1990s Gary Bailey beginner's instructional video posted earlier in the thread:

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studworx wrote:
Attack position has existed for 40 years and never changed the sport That's all gary bailey is demonstrating there. I took a Gary Bailey class and...

Attack position has existed for 40 years and never changed the sport That's all gary bailey is demonstrating there. I took a Gary Bailey class and also purchased most of his DVD's. He's of the pioneers of modern technique. BUT he never preached standing through every corner like Ryno did. Sure, the odd sweeper he would say to try standing through, and definitely recommend standing everywhere in stand, but never would he say to stand through tight 180's, off cambers, etc. Like ryno has preached and we now see all the time. 

Dude.   Just let it go.  

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