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You have alluded that they were shot just for talking/arguing when it is stated in several places that a physical altercation occurred.
Did you read any of the articles on what happened or did you just run here to ignorantly talk shit as fast as you could?
In NY (and I am sure other states) LEO has shot at one person (justified) and hit a couple of bystanders instead of the target. People even trained people are sometimes just not the best shots especially when under duress.
"rent a pig went hands on with the kid. When Dad jumped in"
Your reading comprehension is sh!t Lung.
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In my youth I did more than my share of riding, hunting and fishing were I shouldn’t. Most of the time I got away with it. Time or two I didn’t. The difference is back then most knew better to get physical. You never got a chance push, shove or take a swing. Cause county sheriffs dept, game warden whoever would go up side your head with a large frame Smith & Wesson cuffs on problem solved. If you were in the city limits they were more civilized, they would go up side your head with night stick. That’s not allowed now days, that option was taken advantage of and done away with. Now once it gets past shoving guns come out. A taser doesn’t do much good in a wrestling match.
People can say they were provoked. It doesn’t matter if law enforcement walks up and first thing he says is, it’s a wonder that kid doesn’t look like me……cause I used to bang your wife back in high school. A judge won’t give a dang what was said. Initiating a confrontation no matter the circumstances, if that’s what happened is not a good option.
I'd rather be wrong and walk away than right and 6ft under.
Here....let me quote some of your own idiocy for you....
"Maybe the kid gave him lip maybe he didn't. If you let that turn into shooting two people your not very good at your job and don't need to be carrying a gun."
I seriously think you are mentally retarded. Is the rest of your family dumb mother fuckers too or just you?
Good point.
If he doesn't have the training in how to handle situations like this, then he shouldn't be carrying a gun while confronting people. Notice I didn't accuse him of escalating things. We don't know if he did.
Not a bad idea to assume anyone you see in America could be carrying a gun at anytime, no training required.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/lawandcrime.com/crime/man-who-shot-youtube…
CCW training around here will heavily emphasize an avoidance of all types of conflict, so you'd be taught to never get into a yelling match in the first place, because sometimes those turn physical, and if you're carrying and someone attacks you, you might need to shoot them, and that's not good for anyone. However, us guys tend to have egos and that often overpowers reason, unless you're really well trained and experienced and *also* of the right personality type. Even cops get bit by it and they have obnoxious encounters everyday.
And obviously the father/son did all kinds of wrong, because who tf gets into a fight over such nonsense. Normally you wouldn't stop to talk, you'd just leave instantly. I've had a gun waved at me once from a super pissed off guy while riding on a farmers road and I left. Nobody died. Sometimes these situations can handle one asshole and it works out, but when you have two assholes, it's no good. Leave the ego at home.
And it's toxic for us to feel the need to take sides. We should just recognize the faults of those involved and use that to avoid these issues in our own lives. Everyone made poor choices and if any one of them did something different, it wouldn't have ended this way. If you find yourself saying, "yeah, but they...", then you've already failed.
I don't have a clue what you are carrying on about. IF you dumb fuker, IF.
You truly are the single dumbest person on this site.
I am honored that you think so. Means a lot coming from a vitard.
Most of my cop buddies are not great at shooting. The average hobby shooting enthusiast is a much better shot. Most agencies do not have a lot of firearm training for the average uniformed officer after their initial training. Most of the folks I know get range time 2 or 3 times a year when they need to replace ammo.
Oh there you go again thinking you're better than the rest of us....
Why is it that everyone here thinks you're a complete fucking idiot but you think you're the smartest guy in the room?
The smartest guy in the room keeps his keyboard shut.and doesn't argue with an idiot.
Mmmmm come on now... Let's not start breaking (more) forum rules guys.
Fun thread to read. Vital speculation strikes again!
In a bigger sense ...
What's wrong is that these guys went out to ride dirt bikes and ended up both getting shot.
It's hard to believe the guard thought they were trying to sabotage the power grid ??
Also... all the transformers and capacitors are inside the locked , razor wired substation. Hardly ever are substations guarded. Just look when you drive to work tomorrow.
Do you need a guard on your private property guarding your electric service to your house?
Is anyone who questions inappropriate or overuse of force instantly a communist or some sort of unpatriotic person? When did that start ?
This country was founded on dissent. Read the preamble to the Constitution.
These dude were riding dirtbikes for God sakes. Do you want to live in, create a country where you have to worry about these sorts of things happening ?
What are the hiring requirements for a private security guard?
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Play stupid games............
Are they the facts, are there any independent witnesses or video evidence to corroborate that, or is it just the shooter's story?
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/oct/05/details-emerge-in-deadly-shooting-on-bonneville-po/
"...The sheriff’s office said information gathered from witnesses, people involved in the altercation and evidence suggested the incident started when the two men were contacted by security for trespassing on the federal land, which was clearly marked by signage.
A “heated verbal exchange” between the security guard and one of the men escalated into a physical altercation, the release said. The second man then started fighting with the armed security guard.
A video posted on Facebook under a statement from the sheriff’s office appears to show someone driving a car and filming a security car parked on the side of the road behind a white truck with dirt bikes in it the day of the incident, but does not depict the shooting itself.
Witnesses told the sheriff’s office the two men appeared to be aggressive toward or actually fought with the guard, according to the sheriff’s office. The guard fired his weapon, hitting the two men...
...When people on Facebook questioned the circumstances of the incident, the sheriff’s office replied, saying the incident “turned bad.”
Statements from witnesses, security and the man who was hospitalized all “corroborated the main parts of what happened. We still continue to investigate to ensure the evidence and any other statements/witnesses show the same,” the sheriff’s office wrote.
Kevin Wingert, Bonneville Power Administration spokesman, deferred questions to the sheriff’s office, citing the active investigation. He declined to release the name of the security guard and the security company he or she works for.
“The Bonneville Power Administration is aware of the incident occurring adjacent to a BPA facility on Sept. 30 in Spokane, Washington, that involved a member of our contracted security force,” Wingert wrote in a statement. “We take very seriously the tragic loss of life and are fully cooperating with the Spokane County Sheriff’s Office, which is leading the investigation.”..."
from news article: A video posted on Facebook under a statement from the sheriff’s office appears to show someone driving a car and filming a security car parked on the side of the road behind a white truck with dirt bikes in it the day of the incident, but does not depict the shooting itself.
So this is outside of the "no go zone" ... perhaps the bikers where getting a warning of some sort? Security heads out and after some time, circles back around and finds them riding on private property? Then things go south?
Just sayin' as this was my experience years ago at a mining property....
I don't know where you got your info but, I am a retired cop and that is wrong.
He’s always wrong
Thanks for the article it tells it all . No need to explain it
I don’t know much about how investigations are handled. This happened a week ago. Not much additional information has came out. The other thing that surprises me is no national news coverage that I know of. If it would have been city or county officer I bet all over the news.
100% the security guy overreacted.
Probably ex police or sheriff with a bad record , bad attitude.and poor training.
Most likely instead of trying to de-escalate, they made it worse. Due to poor training when he/she was LE. It's a myth that LEO's are well trained, and being trained to de-escalate is very rare.
When it's all said and done, I think it'll be found that the security guy did something to the son and the father intervened.
The security guard could have taken their truck licence number and walked away, but instead had to go all Rambo.
next time the security guard see's the son I hope it's not down a dark alley or out in the boonies.
Speculate much ?
Ya think. Lol. I guess he was there.
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