Jett receives warning from AMA

9/20/2023 9:00pm

Did you read the rule???  Clearly not.

Yes I did read the rule, 1.5.9.a... Finishing first or second in the second moto, made no difference to Jett's finishing position for the Event, he...

Yes I did read the rule, 1.5.9.a...

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Finishing first or second in the second moto, made no difference to Jett's finishing position for the Event, he won the event, he could not be penalized for 1.5.9.a.

1.5.9.b and c...

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Jett did try to "deliberately manipulate" the outcome of the championship in his own favor, how many other riders who settle for anything other than a moto win, to win a championship, are penalized?

You should practice reading more....

You should practice comprehension!

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9/20/2023 9:04pm
motoxxx599 wrote:

Not sure about a sports book but an insurance company would launch an investigation 

What happened with Monster and their insurance company after Savatgy pulled over to let Tomac win the million?

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9/20/2023 10:11pm

I wonder if there was some negotiation and agreement between HRC and the AMA about the outcome being a warning?

Clearly Jett slowed down to allow Kenny to pass, but in doing so he didn't compromise his own finish position for the event, and his stated intention was to improve his points position relative to Chase.    I've read the wording of the rule and I obviously don't know how  AMAP interprets it, but it's not hard to think that there's enough wiggle room there for the team to argue that he wasn't tanking his own result.

Maybe the warning was a compromise between nothing and harsher penalty that the team may certainly have protested.

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9/20/2023 10:30pm
ando wrote:
I wonder if there was some negotiation and agreement between HRC and the AMA about the outcome being a warning? Clearly Jett slowed down to allow...

I wonder if there was some negotiation and agreement between HRC and the AMA about the outcome being a warning?

Clearly Jett slowed down to allow Kenny to pass, but in doing so he didn't compromise his own finish position for the event, and his stated intention was to improve his points position relative to Chase.    I've read the wording of the rule and I obviously don't know how  AMAP interprets it, but it's not hard to think that there's enough wiggle room there for the team to argue that he wasn't tanking his own result.

Maybe the warning was a compromise between nothing and harsher penalty that the team may certainly have protested.

If Jett's actions had benefited HRC at the expense of another team, the penalty would have been harsher.

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9/20/2023 11:22pm

When Vince Freeze paid other riders to take out Brayton... he didnt get warning because it was club race sh.t show? 

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9/20/2023 11:23pm
ando wrote:
I wonder if there was some negotiation and agreement between HRC and the AMA about the outcome being a warning? Clearly Jett slowed down to allow...

I wonder if there was some negotiation and agreement between HRC and the AMA about the outcome being a warning?

Clearly Jett slowed down to allow Kenny to pass, but in doing so he didn't compromise his own finish position for the event, and his stated intention was to improve his points position relative to Chase.    I've read the wording of the rule and I obviously don't know how  AMAP interprets it, but it's not hard to think that there's enough wiggle room there for the team to argue that he wasn't tanking his own result.

Maybe the warning was a compromise between nothing and harsher penalty that the team may certainly have protested.

If Jett's actions had benefited HRC at the expense of another team, the penalty would have been harsher.

You reckon?  

If it really did work the way Jett had intended it’s Chase that would have a genuine grievance (maybe).  Are you saying the penalty it that scenario would be no different but if say, Kenny, was knocked back a place Jett would have a harsher penalty?

 

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9/20/2023 11:33pm
ando wrote:
I wonder if there was some negotiation and agreement between HRC and the AMA about the outcome being a warning? Clearly Jett slowed down to allow...

I wonder if there was some negotiation and agreement between HRC and the AMA about the outcome being a warning?

Clearly Jett slowed down to allow Kenny to pass, but in doing so he didn't compromise his own finish position for the event, and his stated intention was to improve his points position relative to Chase.    I've read the wording of the rule and I obviously don't know how  AMAP interprets it, but it's not hard to think that there's enough wiggle room there for the team to argue that he wasn't tanking his own result.

Maybe the warning was a compromise between nothing and harsher penalty that the team may certainly have protested.

If Jett's actions had benefited HRC at the expense of another team, the penalty would have been harsher.

ando wrote:
You reckon?   If it really did work the way Jett had intended it’s Chase that would have a genuine grievance (maybe).  Are you saying the...

You reckon?  

If it really did work the way Jett had intended it’s Chase that would have a genuine grievance (maybe).  Are you saying the penalty it that scenario would be no different but if say, Kenny, was knocked back a place Jett would have a harsher penalty?

 

If it affected Ken's points, Ken's team would have a genuine grievance with HRC's use of team tactics.

If it affected Chase's points HRC, it's likely HRC would keep discussions internal.

The same thing happens in other motorsports.

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9/21/2023 12:17am
motoxxx599 wrote:

Not sure about a sports book but an insurance company would launch an investigation 

What happened with Monster and their insurance company after Savatgy pulled over to let Tomac win the million?

I totally forgot about that!  

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9/21/2023 12:42am
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What a load of bullshit. All he needs to do is not wave him by last time and pretend he has a bike problem

C'mon, miss a rut, man, Musquin style...

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9/21/2023 2:16am
I wonder if this rule would apply in a situation where for rider 1 to win the championship, his competitor, rider 2, has to finish outside...

I wonder if this rule would apply in a situation where for rider 1 to win the championship, his competitor, rider 2, has to finish outside the top 10. Rider 1 pulls the holeshot but intentionally falls back so that he can bang bars with rider 2 hoping to cause a mistake that would cause rider 2 to finish outside the top 10.

In other words, if I remember correctly, slowing down like Tomac did so that he could try to disrupt Dungey's race. 

Didn't Reed try this with JS7?

It also brings up the point, if this was the final round, and the points were in a position where dropping behind and taking a second spot in order to change the overall result in the championship standings in order to secure championship win, would it still be viewed the same?

With the way these points system is set, it could be a possibility in years to come.

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9/21/2023 2:31am

That is another thing with this, I guess that rule was also written in some aspect to stop teams using tactics at the end of the year to help get a championship. Eg letting a team mate pass to gain a few points. The irony in this whole thing was Jett using a tactic that negatively affected his team mates chance of winning a title. ( Well thought it was going to affect the outcome, but his math was off)

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9/21/2023 4:00am

Oh wow there you are AMA. Haven’t heard of you since the last penalty you handed out.

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9/21/2023 4:28am

Oh wow there you are AMA. Haven’t heard of you since the last penalty you handed out.

Yep typically inconsistent behavior out of the AMA.

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9/21/2023 5:30am
Aaryn234 wrote:
Didn't Reed try this with JS7? It also brings up the point, if this was the final round, and the points were in a position where...

Didn't Reed try this with JS7?

It also brings up the point, if this was the final round, and the points were in a position where dropping behind and taking a second spot in order to change the overall result in the championship standings in order to secure championship win, would it still be viewed the same?

With the way these points system is set, it could be a possibility in years to come.

Yep in Vegas '09.  I think Reed needed to gain 7 points on JS to win the title.  Villopoto had checked out in the lead, with Stewart second and Reed in third.  Stewart was cruising knowing even third place would get him the title.  As Reed went past Stewart moved out of the way and Reed came over trying to force him into the tuff blocks and hopefully crash.

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9/21/2023 5:40am

Ooooo the AMA so scary! Makes me wonder if Chase hadn't beat him and he was 24 and 0 would he have let Ken bye?

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9/21/2023 6:49am

Why does everyone keep spelling "By" wrong in this thread? There is "let him by" and then there is "wave Bye Bye" . They are not the same. Is everyone here home schooled? 

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9/21/2023 6:56am Edited Date/Time 9/21/2023 7:09am
KHNC wrote:
Why does everyone keep spelling "By" wrong in this thread? There is "let him by" and then there is "wave Bye Bye" . They are not...

Why does everyone keep spelling "By" wrong in this thread? There is "let him by" and then there is "wave Bye Bye" . They are not the same. Is everyone here home schooled? 

Weather their wright or knot, there just saying Jet let him bye.  I don’t sea the problem.  Ewe no what their saying.  Its know problem.

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(that hurt)

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9/21/2023 7:01am
KHNC wrote:
Why does everyone keep spelling "By" wrong in this thread? There is "let him by" and then there is "wave Bye Bye" . They are not...

Why does everyone keep spelling "By" wrong in this thread? There is "let him by" and then there is "wave Bye Bye" . They are not the same. Is everyone here home schooled? 

Some are home schooled, most just know their moto history

 

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9/21/2023 7:15am

If Jett's actions had benefited HRC at the expense of another team, the penalty would have been harsher.

ando wrote:
You reckon?   If it really did work the way Jett had intended it’s Chase that would have a genuine grievance (maybe).  Are you saying the...

You reckon?  

If it really did work the way Jett had intended it’s Chase that would have a genuine grievance (maybe).  Are you saying the penalty it that scenario would be no different but if say, Kenny, was knocked back a place Jett would have a harsher penalty?

 

If it affected Ken's points, Ken's team would have a genuine grievance with HRC's use of team tactics. If it affected Chase's points HRC, it's likely...

If it affected Ken's points, Ken's team would have a genuine grievance with HRC's use of team tactics.

If it affected Chase's points HRC, it's likely HRC would keep discussions internal.

The same thing happens in other motorsports.

Yep, watch an F1 race, they do it all the time for all to see.

"George, let Lewis by, he's faster than you".

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9/21/2023 7:19am
KHNC wrote:
Why does everyone keep spelling "By" wrong in this thread? There is "let him by" and then there is "wave Bye Bye" . They are not...

Why does everyone keep spelling "By" wrong in this thread? There is "let him by" and then there is "wave Bye Bye" . They are not the same. Is everyone here home schooled? 

GrapeApe wrote:
Some are home schooled, most just know their moto history  

Some are home schooled, most just know their moto history

 

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Makes you wonder if McCarty was home schooled? 😂

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9/21/2023 7:20am

Stupid rule, and bad interpretation.  The event is the whole day.  And Jett won, so he did achieve the highest possible finish in the event.  And he was also trying to ensure that he achieved the highest possible position in the championship, too.  So his attempt (despite poor math, he was home schooled) to put create a bigger points gap between him and Chase is smart racing. 

If you really want riders to go for broke at every event, get rid of the championship.  If you insist on having a championship, riders are going to make strategic decisions for the good of the title.  This means not always going for the highest achievable result.  It means settling for third because you don't want Barcia to take you out when you pass him for second.  It means saving energy when a rider who isn't a championship rival is ahead of you. 

 

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9/21/2023 8:25am
Conspiracy theory, Jett,s long lost uncle puts a $1 million bet down that Jett would go 1-2 on the night. Hmmm, thats why that rule is...

Conspiracy theory, Jett,s long lost uncle puts a $1 million bet down that Jett would go 1-2 on the night.

Hmmm, thats why that rule is in place.

EXACTLY. Its there so the pros can't fix the races for positioning finish on the track, typically yes because of gambling bets.

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9/21/2023 8:28am

Ah recken iffn yalls wunt to say bye insted uf by den its ok . Ulso iffn yalls wunt to clik the fumbs dwn buttn den go head an does it. dont mattr nun tah me. hillbilly histry is mah strung soot. 

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9/21/2023 8:48am

It's been a few days and I've had some time to think about this thing.  

I appears we have a poorly written rule from SX/MX that doesn't jive completely with SMX playoff Olympic scoring.

No doubt Jett pulled a boner but the infraction and rules don't mesh in this instance.  

The AMA did the right thing with just a warning.  "Jett... we're fixing the rulebook...but don't pull this shit again... You've been warned".Angry

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9/21/2023 8:53am

wonder if he and roczen talked this out privately.

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9/21/2023 9:03am
KHNC wrote:
Ah recken iffn yalls wunt to say bye insted uf by den its ok . Ulso iffn yalls wunt to clik the fumbs dwn buttn den...

Ah recken iffn yalls wunt to say bye insted uf by den its ok . Ulso iffn yalls wunt to clik the fumbs dwn buttn den go head an does it. dont mattr nun tah me. hillbilly histry is mah strung soot. 

I had an aneurysm just trying to read the first 3 words. Go home..

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9/21/2023 9:14am

Jett could argue that by trying to take points away from Chase that he was trying to do what was best for his results.  And maybe it would have been more than a warning if it ended up changing those points. But it did not . I think the AMA  was not wrong with the warning in this case.  But had it worked like Jett intended , I think that they would have to give some sort of penalty .Otherwise why even have the rules. 

I'm a fan of Jett , and I think that he is able to be so outgoing and have the personality he has because of the way he's not afraid to put himself out there and not think about if it goes wrong.  Like everybody , he will learn and make fewer mistakes in the future. I think Jett getting the math wrong and looking like a boner , is more of a penalty for him, than if they fined him $10k.  I bet he regrets the " big brain" moment that ended up a big brainfart.  

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9/21/2023 9:33am

Its just a warning guys. All the Jettboys are crying like they DQ'ed him from the race... He just can't do it again, at least THAT obvious.

Previous Let him by situations:

Savatgy @ Monster Cup '18

Musquin "cross rut" to let Dungey by in '17

Stewart slow down @ Vegas in '09

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Tuck the front end, son!

One of Bubba's best lines🤣

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9/21/2023 10:36am

Holy crap there is so much dumb in this thread. Pay attention and quit getting manipulated by someone who didn't show the extent of the rule:

 

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