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TerryB
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9/11/2023 3:05pm Edited Date/Time 9/11/2023 3:11pm
Zycki11 wrote:

Nothing against Decoster,  it I think it is time that Mitch took over the full reigns. Evolution is just that 

I am a big fan of RD.  My very first moto hero.  I have zero issue with him managing the team, but sometimes an entire program needs a revamp from top to bottom.  Mitch should take a shot.  Maybe he can generate a new attitude, a new approach that will get some guys excited about going.

ETA:  I guess I didn't realize just how polarizing of a figure DeCoster has become.

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9/11/2023 3:12pm
mxb2 wrote:

Nobody wanted roger fired last year. Lol. 

I did.

He's 79 years old.  How many of ya'll know a 79 year old that is still operating at 100%?

It's FAR past time that he steps down.

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9/11/2023 3:14pm
JustMX wrote:
So Just piss on the guy that is responsible for getting us back to racing the event 42 years ago and then guiding team USA to...

So

Just piss on the guy that is responsible for getting us back to racing the event 42 years ago and then guiding team USA to domination for so many years?

There are a lot of bothersome things about MXoN, mainly that the promoter makes a ton and the riders apparently have to pay their own way. But I do not understand what the problem is with the man.

And this is from someone that does not think he us a flawless human. I still think he was 100% wrong blaming the Japanese rider for JA21's bonehead move, but the fact is that he has earned that position of team manager as long as he wants it.

mxb2 wrote:

Nobody wanted roger fired last year. Lol. 

Roger had about as much to do with last year's win as he does with the USA not sending a team this year. It's not him entirely. It's more the riders and the teams. 

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9/11/2023 3:18pm
TerryB wrote:
I am a big fan of RD.  My very first moto hero.  I have zero issue with him managing the team, but sometimes an entire program...

I am a big fan of RD.  My very first moto hero.  I have zero issue with him managing the team, but sometimes an entire program needs a revamp from top to bottom.  Mitch should take a shot.  Maybe he can generate a new attitude, a new approach that will get some guys excited about going.

ETA:  I guess I didn't realize just how polarizing of a figure DeCoster has become.

I'm the same.  Roger is moto in my mind.  The folks that are the decision makers need to make the call if they believe it's time for a change.

Unless Roger has lost his faculties completely...he would be the first one to say, "enough"...there's better folks out there.  He never accepted mediocrity from himself or others.

There's much more to this story...will we ever know...???

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9/11/2023 3:18pm

Let’s be clear, the top American riders and teams have no desire to race the top riders in Europe. Every year they treat the MXdN as if it’s a massive burden. Team USA have not sent their best team to a MXdN outside of the USA for at least a decade. They’d all be delighted if this event went away and didn’t bother them anymore. The sooner they admit that, the sooner we can all get on with our lives. The only acceptable excuse for them not sending a team is that they don’t care about the event and don’t want to, because the budget and talent pool they have to work with is massive in comparison to almost every other team competing. 

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mxb2
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9/11/2023 3:40pm
mxb2 wrote:

Nobody wanted roger fired last year. Lol. 

LungButter wrote:
I did. He's 79 years old.  How many of ya'll know a 79 year old that is still operating at 100%? It's FAR past time that...

I did.

He's 79 years old.  How many of ya'll know a 79 year old that is still operating at 100%?

It's FAR past time that he steps down.

Not like he is doing labor work in the heat. Lol. 

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SonofThor32
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9/11/2023 3:49pm
Rosso391 wrote:
Not saying this is the issue, but its a large issue with Team USA. Why is Decoster still involved with Team USA for MXdN? He has...

Not saying this is the issue, but its a large issue with Team USA. Why is Decoster still involved with Team USA for MXdN? He has at least 10 different reasons for conflict of interests. Get rid of him.

Motoxdoc wrote:
What are the 10 conflicts of interest for DeCoster? Are they personal or professional…or just your feelings?…a lot of people are motivated by feelings these days...

What are the 10 conflicts of interest for DeCoster? Are they personal or professional…or just your feelings?…a lot of people are motivated by feelings these days over facts, and then they’ll make hyperbolic statements like, “He has at least 10 different reasons, for conflicts of interests.”  Not that there isn’t any conflicts of interest for Roger, but I can’t think of ONE, can you?

Holy sh*t...  The pot is helping slather the kettle black.  If anybody can recall your opinions and aggression during Covid, it is rich to see you say anything about people being motivated by feelings over facts, you wrote the book.

I suspect the gentleman you are responding to will say Roger represents an OEM.  But that has not stopped Roger from bringing on pretty much anybody in the past.  I think how certain teams are not allowing riders to race is clouding things to make Roger look like he somehow has some say in that - I don't think this failure falls on his hands either.  It is definitely sad to see how this is crumbling, more sad to know why.  I do buy the excuse that SMX is a contributor and teams have to draw the line somewhere (this year).

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ATKpilot99
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9/11/2023 4:23pm

Everybody is entitled to their opinion,  but whoever or whatever is to blame for this I just don't understand how anyone can see this as anything but an embarrassing debacle.  And I still have a flicker of hope we send some kind of team .

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9/11/2023 4:32pm

If a team goes it will most likely be solely because of Roger and solely funded by KTM group. 
 

I'd send JuJu on a 250 before Craig on a 250. But ideally Craig mx3 and Hampshire on the 250 would be best. Craig has always been a beast outdoors on 450. 

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9/11/2023 5:01pm
JustMX wrote:
So Just piss on the guy that is responsible for getting us back to racing the event 42 years ago and then guiding team USA to...

So

Just piss on the guy that is responsible for getting us back to racing the event 42 years ago and then guiding team USA to domination for so many years?

There are a lot of bothersome things about MXoN, mainly that the promoter makes a ton and the riders apparently have to pay their own way. But I do not understand what the problem is with the man.

And this is from someone that does not think he us a flawless human. I still think he was 100% wrong blaming the Japanese rider for JA21's bonehead move, but the fact is that he has earned that position of team manager as long as he wants it.

mxb2 wrote:

Nobody wanted roger fired last year. Lol. 

Exactly. He's not the problem... just the convenient excuse.

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ando
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9/11/2023 5:06pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Everybody is entitled to their opinion,  but whoever or whatever is to blame for this I just don't understand how anyone can see this as anything...

Everybody is entitled to their opinion,  but whoever or whatever is to blame for this I just don't understand how anyone can see this as anything but an embarrassing debacle.  And I still have a flicker of hope we send some kind of team .

I'm hoping the delayed announcement is because someone is burning the candle at both ends to get a team together.  At this late stage it's hard to come to any other conclusion.  If there really is no team going there's no value in delaying the announcement.

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9/11/2023 5:12pm

Is Kawi not going because Anderson hates Roger? Hmmmm

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FahQ
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9/11/2023 5:14pm

Mike Brown just took his shirt off! 

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9/11/2023 5:14pm

So the #1, 2, & 3 plates won't be represented on the starting line. Awesome!

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9/11/2023 5:24pm
mxb2 wrote:

Nobody wanted roger fired last year. Lol. 

LungButter wrote:
I did. He's 79 years old.  How many of ya'll know a 79 year old that is still operating at 100%? It's FAR past time that...

I did.

He's 79 years old.  How many of ya'll know a 79 year old that is still operating at 100%?

It's FAR past time that he steps down.

Roger at 80% is better than the rest at 100%. 

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MXMattii
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9/11/2023 5:35pm

All Monster Energy teams are backing out of the Monster Energy FIM Motocross of Nations... Blink

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9/11/2023 5:39pm

Apparently DeCoster has a supreme court type appointment here. I tend to agree with its time for him to move on. Damn sorry ass state of affairs that the US had this issue all to often, embarrassing AF actually. Good luck to Chile and other shoestring budget teams that show. 

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9/11/2023 6:15pm
wwoberg wrote:
It's a shame.  Afraid it's typical of the way things are moving.  There's actually a war going on and we are upset about a race.  Our...

It's a shame.  Afraid it's typical of the way things are moving.  There's actually a war going on and we are upset about a race.  Our (not just the US. But everywhere) priorities and values are much different than they once were.

NSP139 wrote:

I believe Ukraine is sending a team and we can't

Lord knows they have the funding…

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Press516
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9/11/2023 6:30pm

I’m a big fan of Roger and appreciate everything he has done.

But I also think it’s time for a change.  But let’s NOT do another person contracted with a bike mfg.  No Mitch, no Lars, etc.  There is enough conflict to avoid doing that now.

How about Broc?  Or Zacho?  I’m sure we could find a suitable replacement.

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9/11/2023 6:31pm

Stupid observation but… why would we want Mitch as the new head if one of the many objections to DeCoster was the ties to KTM? Kawasaki supposedly abandoned the event entirely off of the risk of sharing information, so isn’t it kind of ridiculous to expect everything to work in basically the same context?

I think he’d be great, but objectively I don’t see how that solves any problems.

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9/11/2023 6:32pm
Press516 wrote:
I’m a big fan of Roger and appreciate everything he has done. But I also think it’s time for a change.  But let’s NOT do another...

I’m a big fan of Roger and appreciate everything he has done.

But I also think it’s time for a change.  But let’s NOT do another person contracted with a bike mfg.  No Mitch, no Lars, etc.  There is enough conflict to avoid doing that now.

How about Broc?  Or Zacho?  I’m sure we could find a suitable replacement.

Broc Helper would objectively be great.

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9/11/2023 6:48pm
Press516 wrote:
I’m a big fan of Roger and appreciate everything he has done. But I also think it’s time for a change.  But let’s NOT do another...

I’m a big fan of Roger and appreciate everything he has done.

But I also think it’s time for a change.  But let’s NOT do another person contracted with a bike mfg.  No Mitch, no Lars, etc.  There is enough conflict to avoid doing that now.

How about Broc?  Or Zacho?  I’m sure we could find a suitable replacement.

Perky wrote:

Broc Helper would objectively be great.

Trey Canard

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valveless
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9/11/2023 7:18pm
mxb2 wrote:

Nobody wanted roger fired last year. Lol. 

LungButter wrote:
I did. He's 79 years old.  How many of ya'll know a 79 year old that is still operating at 100%? It's FAR past time that...

I did.

He's 79 years old.  How many of ya'll know a 79 year old that is still operating at 100%?

It's FAR past time that he steps down.

What about your president?

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9/11/2023 7:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/11/2023 7:38pm
Rosso391 wrote:
Not saying this is the issue, but its a large issue with Team USA. Why is Decoster still involved with Team USA for MXdN? He has...

Not saying this is the issue, but its a large issue with Team USA. Why is Decoster still involved with Team USA for MXdN? He has at least 10 different reasons for conflict of interests. Get rid of him.

What is the conflict of interest? Is it because he works for KTM? So replace him with Mitch because he has no interest in supporting one manufacturer more than another?

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9/11/2023 7:44pm

IMG 8639I’m just going to leave this right here….

Peep the jersey 🤞🏼

carry on with your debates ! 

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9/11/2023 8:00pm
studworx wrote:
Why is this on Decoster? The issue is riders not wanting to to and teams not wanting to send riders. 0 to do with Roger. He...

Why is this on Decoster? The issue is riders not wanting to to and teams not wanting to send riders. 0 to do with Roger. He stepped back a bit last year anyway. 

plowboy wrote:
Because we're Americans by God.  We need someone to burn.  He's old and talks funny.  Burn him.   If he ever did anything for us...it was a...

Because we're Americans by God.  We need someone to burn.  He's old and talks funny.  Burn him.  

If he ever did anything for us...it was a long time ago so it don't count for nothing today.

Seriously, if ANYONE here has knowledge (real facts...not rumour) that Roger has sabotaged or been incompetent as team manager...speak up.

I know Roger by reputation and casual interaction.  If expecting people to do what they are capable of is a sin...then burn him.

"He's old and talks funny."

You forgot to mention he's foreign!

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9/11/2023 8:13pm
TahoeVetMX wrote:
Let's send a privateer team!  Three guys that want to go give it a try!  I bet many of us would donate towards that.  After all...

Let's send a privateer team!  Three guys that want to go give it a try!  I bet many of us would donate towards that.  After all we do have some darn good non-factory riders. 

I would 100% donate money to this.  

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9/11/2023 8:14pm
Perky wrote:
Stupid observation but… why would we want Mitch as the new head if one of the many objections to DeCoster was the ties to KTM? Kawasaki...

Stupid observation but… why would we want Mitch as the new head if one of the many objections to DeCoster was the ties to KTM? Kawasaki supposedly abandoned the event entirely off of the risk of sharing information, so isn’t it kind of ridiculous to expect everything to work in basically the same context?

I think he’d be great, but objectively I don’t see how that solves any problems.

When Roger is replaced, he needs to be replaced with somebody who doesn't have conflicts of interest, is respected by the industry, and has previous experience as a MXdN team manager...

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9/11/2023 8:57pm

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This appears to be the last ditch effort...  I hope they pull it together.

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