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This made me laugh. Right out of the Stark playbook.
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Chad's groupies can't help themselves, 34 pages and not a single bike, hell not a single review. The guys who want to give a review are extremely biased/groupie.
From a marketing point of view putting more vids up on the same dusty track conditions is not helping ,come on even a muddy track would do ,it's not stopped raining in the UK for nearly 6 weeks tracks are open but will this
GAME CHANGER be usable if you don't live in a dry country.
side note
Few of my mates boys have sold there Sur Ron's and gone back to crf110
something about the sounds the smell the not running out of battery at there woods track and pushing them home
You are missing the whole reality that governments of the world have either signed into law (or are threatening to do so) the elimination of gas powered vehicles. This isn’t about KTM choosing not to go battery powered. They likely will HAVE to, at some point. If you look at what Pit said, his words were something along the lines of right now or presently. Right now isn’t 10 years from now. KTM certainly has some sort of plan in place and I’m sure tons of R&D being done on battery powered bikes. Harley Davidson has announced they will be fully electric by 2035 and that in no way represents that Harley guys want silent bikes. Ive said before, they should just announce that in 2035 they will be closing their doors because at that point Harley guys are just going to burn the building down in protest anyway.
I am rooting for the entire EV movement to fail. Not for any reason other than the ultimate success of EV will result in the inability to use any vehicle that runs on gasoline. And the ultimate success will require government interference. I foresee not only the elimination of manufacturers being ALLOWED to sell new gas powered vehicles, but the banning of the use of the vehicles already owned. Each purchase of an EV is a vote to do away with gas vehicles. It’s also a vote against the sport you love. I am one of an enormous segment of MX/off-road people who will never own an EV bike. I also am not going to watch EV SX or EV MX. The sport as a whole will take a tremendous hit financially once the EV has been fully forced upon us by the governments of the world. As of now, that’s s target year of 2035. Each EV bike purchase is an affirmation to these government bodies goals. When I first saw that KTM was coming out with tge Freeride I thought it would be cool to have a silent bike. Now with GM and Harley and Kawasaki ANNOUNCING they will not have a gas powered vehicle in their lineup by that year?? I’m fully in protest of this movement. If you love MX and think that supporting the EV movement won’t drastically change the sport you love, you should think a little harder. When there’s nothing but EV MX bikes available you will see an enormous drop in sales of MX bikes as people like me look for a different hobby. You also might see SX with half empty (or more) stadiums, which could be the demise of SX if that can be imagined. If the cost of putting on a SX race can’t be covered, they will cease to be put on. The government wants you to embrace EV. You want to hold hands with the government as a dirt bike fan? Good luck with that. They’d LOVE to outright ban dirt bikes period. That they can’t do but if they can get all the dirt bikers to follow them into the EV black hole, that’s the next best thing.
Another thought on Stark and Chad and the whole business plan. How do you completely scrap your initial factory setup and invest in a larger better more modern factory setup based on 15,000 $100 deposits. I spent $100 at Chili’s with my family last night. Not exactly a major investment. This is not some major investment that you revamp a factory over. If it were $1,000 deposits? Different story. Which then begs the question, why didn’t he do $1,000 deposits?? Was he afraid he would’ve gotten only 5,000 buyers? This did not sit right with me when it was announced and still makes no sense. If nothing else, that had to have added a huge amount to the delay factor. Did he consider the notion of 10,000 “customers” backing out once the other $13,000 was due? I find it hard to believe that a successful business man would make such a decision with those parameters. Yet he did.
Eicher Motors Ltd ( parent company of Royal Enfield ) invested 50 million Euros in Stark Varg in December (?) of last year.
That's at least one source of the money for a new factory etc.
Curiously, that 50 million Euros got Eicher 10.3% ownership of Stark Varg. So, "Mr Turtleneck" must have a lot of his own money in the company, and / or he has already some substantial investors.
Some here might just press a few buttons on whatever electronic device they are on, to get an idea of the size of Eicher Motors Ltd, if they don't already know of it .
Holy crap! That was a hard hit, Dang
Have you ever heard that banks and investors will lend you money if they think your business plan might work?
EVERYONE - READ THIS DUDE'S POST ^ !!!
Yo, SemiFreeGuy, I mean, not to gloat or anything, but was I fricken' right or was I fricken' right?!!! But never mind my superior cerebral prescience, if you read this dude's post, there's no mistaking his mindset: the only way to keep the sport "pure" is to kill it off entirely, and he's happy to assist in doing exactly that. He freely admits that, eventually, if/when EV bikes become the norm, he won't ride, he won't buy a bike, he won't even watch a pro race from his sofa. He'd rather quit than stick his toes into the icky goo of evolution, and he's rooting for you to do the same. It's as clear as the driven snow. He's kinda like O.J. Simpson: he loves the sport almost too much, and so he has no choice but to stab it to death once it tries to assert it's independence from him.
His post expresses not one single iota of optimism about the future, not a single imagining of how things might actually get better and there might actually be MORE people riding/racing and MORE places to ride/race - he just draws a crystal-clear mental image of a dystopian future where no one is allowed to ride, and even if they could - they shouldn't.
So then, are ya with him? Do ya want moto dead and gone? Or not?
Thing is, you don’t have to take either pill…….
Just wait and see what happens.
I trust the authenticity of your claim of this photo, long before I'll believe Stark can deliver 1 customer's bike by the year 2025.
One nice thing is, presumably, the ability to tune it to anything you want, provided there's a voice of reason within their riding sphere. But yeah, high hp bikes tend to do more harm than good, imo. Soooo many dudes in the 80's and 90's that bought a 500 because they were bigger guys, wrecked themselves silly, and never rode again. I love those bikes, but overall they did nothing positive for the sport as a whole.
The bike is CAPABLE of outputting up to 80hp. This isn't an internal combustion engine that's making 80hp. Its an electric powerplant that can be completely customized to produce any power up to a max of 80hp that the rider wants. The 80hp Varg, for example, can be tuned to have 20hp for beginners, and i show this in my recap video with my wife, who has only ridden my Alta once in a dirt parking lot and otherwise never ridden a dirtbike before, rides the "80hp" Varg effortlessly.
Time to get out of the mindset of limitations of gas engines. No longer are you stuck with one engine characteristic. Now you have unlimited engine characteristics all controlled via mapping settings defined by you, the rider. You now have multiple bikes all in one bike.
“Now you have unlimited engine characteristics all controlled via mapping settings defined by you, the rider. You now have multiple bikes all in one bike.”
Thats how I feel about my YZ450FX….
Pit Row
80HP is insanity. Star Yamaha YZ450F most likely doesn't have 80hp, and Ferrandis had to de-tune it to be rideable in 2021. That's how he won on that bike.
Somewhere, out there a giant sand hill is saying: "I got your 80hp right here pal".
Sure, changing ignition timing by 5 degrees and the mixture by 5% is about the same as having a fully customizable electric motor..
Maybe, but I think Stark is having problems with product delivery. And it’s a little pricey
Ok all I thought about after watching that go pro video is what happens if you crash and the phone on the bars gets smashed to shit? Will your bike still work? It will but your bike will be stuck in what ever settings it was last in? How much is a new phone/control unit? And how long will it take to get one? I think it’s a cool idea but it might need a little better protection.
The phone is independent of the bike and the bike will work just fine without the phone mounted in the traditional barpad location. You'll be able to load 5 power maps onto the bike that can be toggled via the map switch on the handlebars. I suspect some people will opt to replace the cellphone mount with a traditional barpad, at the sacrifice of being able to see bike telemetry in real time, including battery %.
Thanks for the video @theycallmeebryan ! Looks like a fun bike, reminds me of riding the KTM Freeride except the Varg has power to clear the jumps and better suspension
So, video description says "plenty of battery left" after the 15 minute moto, how much is plenty? 70%? 20%? I just want to know how long it can go with an average A/B rider at 65hp.
Even if it was similar price to a iPhone or droid, crashing a 4 stroke and destroying the exhaust would result in a similar expense and depending on what bike you have, could be as hard or harder to locate a replacement.
I really wish that more people would go out and try a fast ,electric powered vehicle. An Alta, go to an indoor go kart track with some fast electric carts, take a ride in a tesla. The power delivery of electric is totally customizable to the point that you can get new riders on a bike that they can ride and add power as they are more comfortable.
For shorter distances Electric makes a lot of sense. Cars , motorcycles, etc. So this being a Motocross bike , if it can do a 20 or 25 plus 2 lap moto . That would be what most people who are buying them would be doing if they are racing.
I know its not a number of delivered units, but if you compare the 50K 2 strokes that KTM sold , to 18K orders for Vargs. I think that its crazy to think that other manufacturers are not working on full sized Electric dirt bikes right now. If a startup company that has not delivered a single bike as of when I write this, can get that many orders. Imagine if Honda , KTM, or one of the big companies put out a bike that was similar. Or even something like the Alta with the support network of dealers they already have. I imagine they would sell as many as they sell 2 strokes. Maybe not. But if those 18K pore orders thurn into 18K sold bikes then I bet that there is some competition in a couple years.
Like I have said,and others have said. It takes many years from concept to production for a new motorcycle to come out. So if Honda , Yamaha,Kawasaki etc plan on having electric bikes by 2025 , they have already been working on them and are close to a final version .
As far as not posting about a Varg in the general Motocross section. I feel like you could say that about a Suron style bike , or a bike that was not designed to go head to head with 450's. It is being designed and marketed to be a Motocross bike. Should 2 stroke talk be limited to its own section too? Since most of the SX and MX pros are riding 4 strokes these days . And that 50K number of units sold by KTM VS 18K pre order or whatever you wanna call the Varg sales . That shows me there is enough interest in a full sized electric motocross bike to be posted about in a general moto section if 2 strokes cal also be talked about. Maybe electric MX bikes never take off, and are just beginner bikes and backyard track bikes. Time will tell.
I just think that having the option can open up new places to ride, new riders to the sport, and a lot of other positives. As much as I am Pro EV, I am also Pro Diesel , and Pro 2 stroke , 4 stroke , they all have places in the sport. I think that some of the issues 4 strokes caused by added sound, can be relieved with Electric. But if you hate Electric, that's fine. I just do not understand how somebody can hate anything they have never tried before? There will always be pros and cons to anything. Whenever you just look at the cons of one side, and the pros of the other, its easy to miss out .
When is autopilot feature coming out? Might want to eat a pizza, take a nap, whatever during a moto.
I think that latest test video was solid.
I could do that for 10-15mins and have a blast. Throw it on a charger and go do it again.
I thought hearing the tires and traction was very cool. I eMTB now so you pick up on those things more. The fun is the two wheels if it wasn’t we would just rev chain saws. 😬
eMX is going to be very popular. Way more people will enter the sport.
ICE will always be an option just like 2 strokes vs. 4 stroke.
Based on that last video, I think that I could probably get about 8-10 hours of riding time at my speed......!
Thanks for the updates and hopefully the first batches of bikes to deliver are top quality. Nothing could be worse than trying to hit delivery dates and sending out product that isn't ready. Glad that these guys seem to be seeing the big picture, not just a short-term deadline.
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