Sounds like Team USA's 250 Rider Could be One of these Four...

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Press516 7/17/2022 10:28am
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TbonesPop wrote:
Tomac has to go and be the #1 rider - its literally the only thing he has not accomplished in his career. The race is local...
Tomac has to go and be the #1 rider - its literally the only thing he has not accomplished in his career. The race is local here in the US, its Tomac's last year racing outdoors, and he loves the YZ and is completely rejuvenated riding it.

Sexton - has to be our #2 rider, he's super consistent, very fast, very fit, and is blatantly our #2 best 450 rider.

How anyone can justify not taking the top 2 for the 450 riders is beyond explanation.

As for who rides the 250, its debatable for sure and I'm of the opinion that assuming the riders WANT to ride the 250 (which they have said they do), I would be in favor of the following riders in this order:

1) Anderson - dude is super fast and has kept pace with Tomac and Sexton speed wise, he's just had some crashes and incidents that have pushed him back. But his speed has been there at times this year. Plus, I think he wants redemption from the incident from when he won his moto back in 2016.

2) Craig - he's on the fastest 250 bike (The yamaha), he's the most recent rider to ride the 250 bike competitively, and he's been solid riding in the 450 class in terms of speed. I'm certain he would give his every effort.

3) Barcia - He's still fast and we know he's #Merica, especially at Redbud. You know he's going to give you his every effort and he's experienced.

I wouldn't even remotely consider any of our 250F riders from that class, they aren't even close to the speed, consistency, and experience of the above 3.
I agree completely. Originally I felt Barcia would be #2 behind Anderson, but I really like the way Craig has been putting his moto's together and constantly moving forward like Anderson does.

Ando has the best speed, Craig has the determination and Barcia has the aggression... In that order.

No on Sexton, he and Eli have earned the MX1 and Open rides... PERIOD.
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lestat 7/17/2022 10:41am
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With Chase and Eli on 450s at Red Bud , team USA will have the favourite in two classes . Why would you mess that up ? Arguments can be made for a number of guys on the 250 , but I believe that passing skills are what’s needed in that class at MXDN , and experience under heavy pressure counts . Ando is my man , then Barcia and Coop . Team USA looking good with any of them .
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gharmon 7/17/2022 10:54am
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Id cooper the next 2 races to prove he is still improving. If so, he is the guy you go with. If he wants to.
Anderson wasnt that good on 250's outdoors and he isnt a good starter.
Sexton was not impressive on a 250 outdoor and he rides that 450 awesome.
Barcia was a damn good starter when he rode 250's and not for baggets and tomacs late race charges he would probably have two outdoor titles!j Cooper is a 50% holeshot guy. If he does well the next two rounds announce it after unadilla.
Of all the guys out there available to drop down NOT A SINGLE ONE rode a 250 like Tomac.
If ya gonna drop someone down might as well throw his name in there. Of course I wouldnt .
Of those 4 probable go with Craig. But cooper is faster than craig on a 250f
Just my thoughts!
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lestat wrote:
With Chase and Eli on 450s at Red Bud , team USA will have the favourite in two classes . Why would you mess that up...
With Chase and Eli on 450s at Red Bud , team USA will have the favourite in two classes . Why would you mess that up ? Arguments can be made for a number of guys on the 250 , but I believe that passing skills are what’s needed in that class at MXDN , and experience under heavy pressure counts . Ando is my man , then Barcia and Coop . Team USA looking good with any of them .
The scoring doesn't care about which class you run but that being said I still say those two should be on 450's without a doubt.

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jorgechavez 7/17/2022 11:29am
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Matthes tweeted yesterday that he heard Anderson needs a small procedure after outdoors so he won’t be doing it
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UpTiTe 7/17/2022 11:35am
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The smart team is Anderson in open, Eli in 450, and Chase in 250. My reasoning is, Anderson was never a good 250 rider outdoors, and...
The smart team is Anderson in open, Eli in 450, and Chase in 250.

My reasoning is, Anderson was never a good 250 rider outdoors, and Kawasaki won’t let him ride a PC bike.

Craig was always an average 250 rider outdoors, his style doesn’t work on a 250 outdoors.

Barcia, I mean I can’t say I hate this pick, but he hasn’t been on a 250 in 10 years, and the team is struggling with that bike. Plus I just can’t pick him over Chase,


Chase is a 100% better rider now than he was in his 250 days, and they have that Honda running very good. He’s will smash most of the current 250 GP guys.
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Have you seen the second Moto yesterday?? Putting Sexton on the 250 sounds like sabotage.
I see what you’re saying, but the top GP 250 guys are faster than our top guys, even Craig. Anderson, Eli and Chase are our fastest 3 guys, you have to use them. Sexton is by far a better 250 rider than Anderson, you have to do it.

There is going to be 3/4 very strong teams coming, all of them will contend, all will beat our top 250 guys.
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tomlopez 7/17/2022 11:57am
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As of right now, it is so easily
MX1: Tomac
MX2: Anderson
Open: Sexton

I noticed the comment above about Anderson needing a small procedure after Nats. If that is true, it makes it a bit fuzzier. If Justin Cooper can start riding the 250 the way he was in '21, he would be my pick. But as of now, he races with no aggression or confidence, gives up spots easily, and fades at the end of motos. I would consider Dungey, Craig or Barcia on the 250 over current JCoop.
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Johnny Ringo 7/17/2022 2:37pm
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Money wrote:
Id go Craig just based on the fact he would be on a star 250. And that bike is a good bit better than the gas...
Id go Craig just based on the fact he would be on a star 250. And that bike is a good bit better than the gas gas 250
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yeah someone who has never done it...
TalinH112 wrote:
Ryan Villopoto won two moto’s on a fucking 250 when he “had never done it” fucking stupid argument.
That was 07. RV’s first year at MXDN was 06
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TalinH112 7/17/2022 3:17pm
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flinttropicsMX wrote:
yeah someone who has never done it...
TalinH112 wrote:
Ryan Villopoto won two moto’s on a fucking 250 when he “had never done it” fucking stupid argument.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
That was 07. RV’s first year at MXDN was 06
Son of a bitch, this is why research is important kids. So you’re not the one making a stupid fucking argument while calling someone else’s argument fucking stupid. 🤦🏻😂
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Johnny Ringo 7/17/2022 3:20pm
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TalinH112 wrote:
Ryan Villopoto won two moto’s on a fucking 250 when he “had never done it” fucking stupid argument.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
That was 07. RV’s first year at MXDN was 06
TalinH112 wrote:
Son of a bitch, this is why research is important kids. So you’re not the one making a stupid fucking argument while calling someone else’s argument...
Son of a bitch, this is why research is important kids. So you’re not the one making a stupid fucking argument while calling someone else’s argument fucking stupid. 🤦🏻😂
In your defense, he went 3-2 in the motos in 06. So he still fucking killed it.

RV was a PROBLEM at MXdN
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Mit12 7/17/2022 3:42pm
7/17/2022 3:42pm Edited Date/Time 7/17/2022 3:46pm
Tomac and Sexton are the best choices for the 450 putting Tomac or Sexton the two fastest riders in the US today on a 250 would just be stupid. I can’t stand Barcia but the way he rides a 450 on the rev limiter he is probably our best on a bet on a 250 followed closely by Anderson.
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FahQ 7/17/2022 4:20pm
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Mit12 wrote:
Tomac and Sexton are the best choices for the 450 putting Tomac or Sexton the two fastest riders in the US today on a 250 would...
Tomac and Sexton are the best choices for the 450 putting Tomac or Sexton the two fastest riders in the US today on a 250 would just be stupid. I can’t stand Barcia but the way he rides a 450 on the rev limiter he is probably our best on a bet on a 250 followed closely by Anderson.
Agreed, i wouldn’t be upset with Dungey or Cooper getting the nod.
But Barcia on the rev limiter on a 450 makes me think it would be a good choice for him on the 250.
BTW are 250 two strokes legal in MX2?
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cable 7/17/2022 6:42pm
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cooper gets great starts. should get healthier/faster in the next few weeks. Maybe hes injured?
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jemcee 7/17/2022 9:24pm
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ns503 wrote:
I would like to see the logic in putting Sexton on a 250. Anybody have some?
The logic, as I said before, is your 3rd best 450 rider would get a better result than your best current 250 rider..
scores of 2-9-4-1-4 will beat 2-15-1-1-2

I'm not saying these will be the scores but just an example

Edit I also should state I don't believe any of the 450 guys would do that much better than Cooper
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OrangeJuice158 7/17/2022 9:42pm
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Landonious217 wrote:
How has Craig been better than Dungey?

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RD 5.75
CC 6.16

High/Low
RD 4/7
CC 3/12
Those are just facts man
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soggy 7/17/2022 9:51pm
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There’s lots of chatter about barcia and Anderson not riding a 250 in a long time while also ignoring the fact that you can’t ride dirt bikes for ten years and not improve as well.
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kpiper 7/17/2022 9:59pm
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If Cooper keeps getting better it should be him or RJ. I don't mind risking it with RJ.

The more I think about a 450 guy dropping down it won't be that great. Did you ever drop down yourself and think you were really going fast only to get smoked in the race? It takes time to adjust and these guys don't have that time.
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MXP 7/17/2022 10:56pm
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With Tomac and Sexton on 450s, I'd go for a solid effort with Craig on the 250.
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burn1986 7/17/2022 11:15pm
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FahQ wrote:
Agreed, i wouldn’t be upset with Dungey or Cooper getting the nod. But Barcia on the rev limiter on a 450 makes me think it would...
Agreed, i wouldn’t be upset with Dungey or Cooper getting the nod.
But Barcia on the rev limiter on a 450 makes me think it would be a good choice for him on the 250.
BTW are 250 two strokes legal in MX2?
Good question, but I’m gonna say 2strokes are not allowed at the MXDN at all, regardless of cc.
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WCRider 7/17/2022 11:23pm
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Justin Cooper still the best pick.
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creature654 7/18/2022 2:18am
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Landonious217 wrote:
How has Craig been better than Dungey?

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CC 6.16

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CC 3/12
OrangeJuice158 wrote:
Those are just facts man
Love RD, I just don’t think he’d be interested in riding a 250, Craig has a billion more laps on one in the last 13 years since Dunge moved up. And yes, imo Craig has been better than him this year #28 has an overall podium, 4 moto podiums, led a bunch of laps, and is beating RD in the points so tell me again exactly how he is not doing better?
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Chris_Buehler 7/18/2022 2:42am
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kpiper wrote:
If Cooper keeps getting better it should be him or RJ. I don't mind risking it with RJ. The more I think about a 450 guy...
If Cooper keeps getting better it should be him or RJ. I don't mind risking it with RJ.

The more I think about a 450 guy dropping down it won't be that great. Did you ever drop down yourself and think you were really going fast only to get smoked in the race? It takes time to adjust and these guys don't have that time.
There's something to be said for how different you ride a 250 and a 450. Cooper is going to give you the best results. Period
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Motofinne 7/18/2022 5:01am
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Craig is a lot better this year but a high pressure scenario like MXdN on homesoil doesn't really scream like something Christian Craig would shine at. he might prove me wrong though. Either way, USA will have a great team this year.

I'd go with Barcia and get Barcia the MX2 bike/spec that the MX2 riders are on at the moment that is illegal in AMA racing.
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Crash81 7/18/2022 6:18am
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Why is it not being suggested to put Dungey in the MX3 class and Sexton in MX2? To everyone saying it makes no sense to take Sexton off his 450....you need to realize that it's even more important that our 250 rider beat all the other 250 riders rather than try to win races. It makes sense, and clearly Honda has a good 250f ready for him.
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gharmon 7/18/2022 6:51am
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Crash81 wrote:
Why is it not being suggested to put Dungey in the MX3 class and Sexton in MX2? To everyone saying it makes no sense to take...
Why is it not being suggested to put Dungey in the MX3 class and Sexton in MX2? To everyone saying it makes no sense to take Sexton off his 450....you need to realize that it's even more important that our 250 rider beat all the other 250 riders rather than try to win races. It makes sense, and clearly Honda has a good 250f ready for him.
If you gonna do that Dungey was a WAY better 250 rider than sexton ever thought about being. Id say its more important to do better in the 450 class after all that 2/3rds your score.
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Crush 7/18/2022 7:13am
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Did you guys hear Pulp/JT/Weege discuss that Anderson might not be able to go because he would "have to" be on a factory bike?

How the fuck can they just look at the big picture not put him on a PC bike. SMH.
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Bearuno 7/18/2022 7:52am
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burn1986 wrote:
Good question, but I’m gonna say 2strokes are not allowed at the MXDN at all, regardless of cc.
Of course they are allowed. Though, you are missing a word, I assume it to be 'not', in that sentence.

Just under the piss poor / BS handicap rules that exist. 125 2t vs 250F, and 250 2T vs 450 Fs.

Now, wouldn't it be cool if they somehow allowed EMX250 rules for MX2 entries in MXDN.

So, my 'fantasy' Team Italy - Lapucci on a FanYam 250 2t in MX2, Guadagnini and Cairoli on 450s. A great 'defending' team for Italy. But no, there's not a chance in hell of EMX250 rules ever being in place .
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psychotronBR 7/18/2022 9:14am
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Not picking Chase Sexton for the 250 class sounds absolutely INSANE to me. The dude won two championships on that class and bike just two years ago.

450 - Tomac
250 - Sexton
Open - Ando

There you go boys, enjoy your victory!
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aees 7/18/2022 9:28am
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lestat wrote:
With Chase and Eli on 450s at Red Bud , team USA will have the favourite in two classes . Why would you mess that up...
With Chase and Eli on 450s at Red Bud , team USA will have the favourite in two classes . Why would you mess that up ? Arguments can be made for a number of guys on the 250 , but I believe that passing skills are what’s needed in that class at MXDN , and experience under heavy pressure counts . Ando is my man , then Barcia and Coop . Team USA looking good with any of them .
If it is dry, they might be ONE of the favorites. I think there are 6-7 riders that can win every race at MXDN: Gajser, Seewer, Prado, Herlings, the Hoff, Reneaux, Lawrence(s), Ferrandis and then Eli and Sexton added. Even Vlaanderen i woul not be suprised to see up there. Roczen i guess is out.

If there is to much water put down on the track, or if it rains they can absolutely not be favorites.See last MXDN@Redbud Whistling Laughing

So favorites? Not alone.
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